The Master League adventures thread

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by Professor Nutmeg

Well, i've done away with organizing the other leagues by region, as this can flood the European qualifiers with too many teams, from too few countries. After all, i see them just as pools.

I've decided to drastically cut down on the "Uber teams" (eg Real Madrid Barcelona, Man Utd etc). I choose only two of these per league (i feel this will avoid Uefa cup final ties like Chelsea vs Real Madrid). These two will most likely finish first and second and therefore go straight into the Champions league (avoiding the qualifiers). From the Premiership, i have only included Man Utd and Liverpool. Rather than adding Chelsea or Arsenal, i have added Everton.

I've therefore now added more lower teams. Teams that wouldn't look out of place in the Uefa Cup or indeed overachieving in the CL.

So basically, a handful of the 'top top' clubs and then all the 'other' clubs (HJK, Sporting, Hammarby etc...) and a select few from the 'leagues' (Bordeaux, Heerenveen, Everton, Racing Santander etc...). I'm hoping this will make for Euro nirvana.

Yeah, that's what I do and it sometimes work to great effect.

I'm going to look for my notepad and give you an example of how i sought out the other leagues in my ML.

[nerf]

Interesting theory, Professor , I'll be curious to hear how that turns out. So get a move on :-pp

I worry that it might result in a weaker Champions League when you finally get there, but... we'll see. I suppose it depends how many uber teams you ended up with. I like the idea though.

[Professor Nutmeg]

Originally Posted by nerf

I worry that it might result in a weaker Champions League when you finally get there

i don't (well not for a while at least).

I don't think i've ever seen a final, not contested by the top teams. This includes the Uefa Cup too, when i used to put in a lot more of the top teams.
I still reckon the CL will be strong though, as the cream always rises to the top. I'm hoping the qualifiers and group stages will be more interesting.

[gerd]

Well Prof, i don't know what it is but among all those uber teams there is consistently sneaking in one team (and that for years): Aston Villa...that's PES for me...even the surprise team is always the same...

[gerd]

Former player Didier Six at the helm in Valenciennes:

It was with great pride that former French international Didier Six announced that he will be Valenciennes new coach for the next three years.
"My predecessor Antoine Kombouaré has established this club beyond all expectations as a solid member of ligue 1. He did this with a solid, rather defensive sort of football. I want to bring champaign football to Le Stade Nungesser: veru offensive football with lots of movements and goals." was the rather bold opening statement of the new coach.
A very bold statement indeed, considering that Valenciennes' first match is against perennial champions Olympique Lyonnais.

[nerf]

Originally Posted by gerd

Aston Villa...that's PES for me...even the surprise team is always the same...

Originally Posted by gerd

It was with great pride that former French international Didier Six announced that he will be Valenciennes new coach for the next three years.

A former Villan himself, for one season in the mid-eighties. You can't escape us, Gerd! 8-[

[Stringer Bell]

Give some of that Good Ol' Love!

[gerd]

Valenciennes FC: overview.

Olympique Lyonnais - Valenciennes 1-3
41' Pujol (Bezzaz)
44' Pujol
48' Fred
86 Jeovanio (Sanchez)
MOTM: Pujol

Valenciennes - Lorient 3-2
5' Savidan
39' Savidan (Pujol)
58' Le Pen
76' Vahirua
81 Belmadi (Roudet)
MOTM: Savidan

AS Monaco - Valenciennes 1-1
37' Diaby (Roudet)
92' Modesto
MOTM: Modesto

Valenciennes - Rennes 1-4
5' Moreira
12' Leroy
36' Kharroubi (Savidan)
72' Wiltord
88' Wiltord
MOTM: Leroy

Valenciennes - Lille OSC 1-1
34' Doumeng (Pujol)
76' Makoun (Fauvergue)
MOTM: Makoun

Nice - Valenciennes 0-3
23' Diaby (Kharroubi)
37' Diaby (Doumeng)
82' Diaby (Belmadi)
MOTM: Diaby

Valenciennes - Nancy Lorraine 5-3
12' Kim (Andre Luiz)
35' Belmadi (Savidan)
53' Curbelo
62' Roudet (Belmadi)
65' Kim
68' Savidan (Mater)
72' Savidan (Roudet)
82' Pujol
MOTM: Mater

Auxerre - Valenciennes 2-3
5' Jelen
13' Roudet (Jeovanio)
66' Savidan (Roudet)
82' Savidan (Roudet)
88' Sorin (Jelen)
MOTM: Roudet

Valenciennes - Bordeaux 4-2
6' Jussie
8' Cavenaghi (Micoud)
24' Bezzaz
40' Pujol (Rippert)
65' Diaby (Audel)
70' Belmadi (Pujol)
MOTM: Pujol

Rankings table after 9 matches:

1 Valenciennes 20
2 Olympique Lyonnais 17
3 Le Mans UC 72 17
4 RC Lens 16
5 Olympique Marseille 15
6 Girondins de Bordeaux 15
7 AS St-Etienne 15
8 AS Monaco 14
9 Lille OSC 13
10 OGC Nice 11
11 Stade Rennais 11
12 Toulouse FC 8
13 Paris St-Germain 8
14 AS Nancy Lorraine 8
15 AJ Auxerre 5
16 Lorient 4

Valenciennes: played 9: won 6 -2 draws and 1 defeat.
Scored 24 goals
Got 16 goals against (only Auxerre conceded more goals: 17)



Gregory Pujol: extremely important for Valenciennes.



The playmaker

[Professor Nutmeg]

I was going to say Gerd, i hope you get the most out of Pujol. He's been great player in PES. I couldn't resist bringing him to Strasbourg.

[gerd]

I like Pujol very much, but my favourites are both Algerian players of Valenciennes: Belmadi and Bezzaz.
I scored a wonderfull goal with Bezzaz, the best i ever scored in a PES game...looks a tiny litle bit like the Maradonna goal against England in 1986 (and i'm not talking about the hand of God goal).
I play on 5 stars in the PSP version and i score lots of goals but i concede loads too...when i play PES on the PS2 or PS3 i never concede much goals, but i just can't defend with the PSP...i enjoy this ML more than the ones i played on PS3.

[Professor Nutmeg]

EMPOLI BASKING IN RECENT SUCCESS



I've had some cracking results of late, notably back to back wins over the Milan clubs and turning around the deficit in the Coppa Italia second leg.

Having had dissapointing results up to this point, i saw these fixtures on the calendar and decided to adopt the Christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1). It worked a treat. Inter couldn't brake us down, despite having the lion's share of possession and we scored against the run of playe, when Toldo's trailing legs brought down Luca Saudati in the box. A superb upset.
We all know Milan aren't quite themselves these days and the formation worked well against them too. Infact, it could have been three, when late on we hit the post.
For the Cup game against Torino though, i switched to a 4-3-3, as we were chasing the game. It wasn't working particularly well in the first half, as it ended goalless. However, Guillermo Giacomazzi added two great goals from midfield to book a place in the quarter-finals, where we'll meet Genoa.

Inter Milan 0
Empoli 1 Saudati 64'(p)

Empoli 2 Raggi 21' Moro 71'
AC Milan 0

Napoli 0
Empoli 3 Volpato 3' 37' Giacomazzi 27'

TIM Cup (First Round, 2nd leg)
Empoli 2 Giacomazzi 51' 59'
Torino 0
(Empoli win on agg 3-2)

[denirobob]

[Professor Nutmeg]

Wow Db!

Looks like we had different experiences against the Nerazzurri. I didn't face Suazo, but Crespo and Ibra.
Of course, my xmas tree formation worked like a treat too. As a certain cigar-chomping leader used to say, "I love it when a plan comes together."

[denirobob]

hello mate

If you performance was more George Peppard, mine was definetly more Amy or whatever her name was...e.g. instantly forgettable!



As Homer might say, I am curious about your Christmas Tree formation and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Any chance you can jot down which players you are using in the positions please ?

I assume its a combination of 2 cmfs and a dmf ? Are you using second strikers or AMFs behind your lone front man?

I would like to get Rosina more involved in the action rather than having him on the left and cutting in, but equally i have always like width in my teams and fear narrowing the attacking threat would reduce this.

db

[denirobob]

Originally Posted by Stringer Bell

Congratulations mate! :applaud:

No wonder you've been away for a while. I was thinking maybe you lost your enthusiasm for PES, like me! :-ll

I guess your hands been full...good luck with the family.

Hi SB,


thank you mate, apologies for not replying to your message sooner.

If its still ok i will try to get that file across to you if you still didnt mind converting it for me.

Fingers crossed if the little fella sleeps this afternoon i will get a few more games in before the cup semis! :pray:

db

[Professor Nutmeg]

Originally Posted by denirobob

hello mate


As Homer might say, I am curious about your Christmas Tree formation and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Any chance you can jot down which players you are using in the positions please ?

I assume its a combination of 2 cmfs and a dmf ? Are you using second strikers or AMFs behind your lone front man?

I would like to get Rosina more involved in the action rather than having him on the left and cutting in, but equally i have always like width in my teams and fear narrowing the attacking threat would reduce this.

db

Actually i use the default options. 4-5-1 and then scroll to the last option i think it is, which has 3 cmfs, 2 amfs and a cf. In the amf positions i generally put Vannucchi (an amf) and another attack-minded player, be it a wf an smf or a ss.

it looks something like this:


----------------Balli

---------Marzoratti---Adani
Raggi---------------------------Tosto

-----Busce---Giacomazzi---Budel

----------Giovinco-Vannucchi

----------------Saudati

[denirobob]

Originally Posted by Professor Nutmeg

Actually i use the default options. 5-4-1 and then scroll to the last option i think it is, which has 3 cmfs, 2 amfs and a cf. In the amf positions i generally put Vannucchi (an amf) and another attack-minded player, be it a wf an smf or a ss.

it looks something like this:


----------------Balli

---------Marzoratti---Adani
Raggi---------------------------Tosto

------Busce---Giacomazzi---Budel

----------Giovinco-Vannucchi

----------------Saudati

hi mate, thanks.

so do you do anything to bring Raggi & Tosto into the attacking third to put crosses in?

db

[Professor Nutmeg]

No arrows as such, but they do come forward (note Raggi scored against Milan). Also cmfs in the last few PES games have really come forward to join the attack. Giacomazzi has banged in a few, from distance and in the box.

it's 4-5-1, option C-4.

C-3 will give you 2 smfs, if you like. Haven't tried that one.

[denirobob]

domenica - 06 aprile 2008 EXCLUSIVE!




Urbano Cairo and Walter Casagrande are due to meet at 3pm today
in an extrordinary meeting that could decide the future of coach
Walter Novellino.

With Torino's home game against SS Lazio kicking off at 7.30pm this evening, the two men will spend the afternoon thrashing out a plan to salvage a season that began badly and has disintegrated since.

With both powerbrokers eager to see improvements without resorting to serious funding however, many fans will feel that
the Mister may be scapegoated along with a number of senior
professionals.



Gianluca Comotto in particular has come in for sustained criticism for his inability to provide inspiration and perspiration despite his extensive Serie A experience.

Stripped of the club captaincy in favour of Stellone or
Barone he sums up the problems in a defence that has sustained
more leaks than a Berlusconi press release.

With a serious cash injection clearly not viable at this stage
a revision of formation or a refreshing of the first 11 seems
paramount. Rumour has it that both Nicola Ventola and Masashi Oguro may be in with a chance of their first games of the season
as Il Granata seek a Roman respite.

[Professor Nutmeg]

Nothing like a good personnel and formation change when things aren't going your way.

By the by, i haven't had any width problems with that formation and for me it feels like players are often in good positions for passes etc. I've just played another game. 3 goals and 2 from my cmfs.

I'm off to get my weekly dose of Laura :-pp

The two outer cmfs seem to find wide and/or advanced postions. I'm really liking this formation. Good if you have an abundance of midfielders and only a few strikers too.

[denirobob]

Ive got an abundance of strikers and lots of Dmfs & Cmfs, i wonder if a
4-3-1-2 might suffice instead? with Rosina in the hole behind a front pairing...hmmm

cheers Professor

[Professor Nutmeg]

Some more results, including a spanking by Genoa :blush:

The good news is i'm through to the Coppa Italia Semi-finals. Inter over two legs. I won't be holding my breath.

Day 13
Empoli 2 Mirante og 27' Saudati 75'
Sampdoria 3 Cassano 25' 69' Bonazzoli 55'

Day 14
Siena 1 Bucchi 58'
Empoli 0

Day 15
Empoli 3 Busce 2' Pozzi 50' Budel 60'
Fiorentina 1 Montolivo 91'

TIM Cup QF, first leg
Genoa 1 Borriello 54'
Empoli 4 Marchisio 24' Busce 34' Budel 37' 47'

Day 16
Empoli 1 Saudati 50'
Torino 0

TIM Cup QF, second leg
Empoli 1 Abate 43'
Genoa 1 Carew 67'
(Empoli win 5-2 on agg)

Day 17
Genoa 7 Figueroa 26' 33' 50' Juric 30' Di Vaio 45' 87' Carew 57'
Empoli 0 Saudati :r1 23'

Is this the worst ML defeat ever? It certainly is mine. I went a man down and the computer went ballistic.

[gerd]

Valenciennes: lots of goals scored and conceded.

Saint-Ettienne - Valenciennes FC 3-3
9' Ilan (Feindouno)
15' Diaby (Bezzaz)
42' Gomis (Payet)
58' Matuidi
75' Diaby (Mater)
85' Jeovanio
MOTM: Diaby

Valenciennes FC - Olympique Marseille
18' Niang (Ziani)
19' Bezzaz (Doumeng)
56' Niang (Cisse)
66' Bezzaz (Rippert)
86' Pujol (Belmadi)
MOTM: Bezzaz

Racing Lens - Valenciennes FC
13' Savidan (Kharroubi)
40' Savidan (Belmadi)
72' Dindane
78' Demont (Carriere)
MOTM: Sablé




Yacine Bezzaz: king of le stade Nungesser.

[denirobob]

Originally Posted by Professor Nutmeg

Some more results, including a spanking by Genoa :blush:

The good news is i'm through to the Coppa Italia Semi-finals. Inter over two legs. I won't be holding my breath.

Day 13
Empoli 2 Mirante og 27' Saudati 75'
Sampdoria 3 Cassano 25' 69' Bonazzoli 55'

Day 14
Siena 1 Bucchi 58'
Empoli 0

Day 15
Empoli 3 Busce 2' Pozzi 50' Budel 60'
Fiorentina 1 Montolivo 91'

TIM Cup QF, first leg
Genoa 1 Borriello 54'
Empoli 4 Marchisio 24' Busce 34' Budel 37' 47'

Day 16
Empoli 1 Saudati 50'
Torino 0

TIM Cup QF, second leg
Empoli 1 Abate 43'
Genoa 1 Carew 67'
(Empoli win 5-2 on agg)

Day 17
Genoa 7 Figueroa 26' 33' 50' Juric 30' Di Vaio 45' 87' Carew 57'
Empoli 0 Saudati :r1 23'

Is this the worst ML defeat ever? It certainly is mine. I went a man down and the computer went ballistic.

Blimey! ive taken a numner of 4 and 5nil tonkings in my time but never 7!

You should really have written it out as (seven) mate in brackets like the good ol' vidiprinter days on grandstand

revenge for their cup defeat perhaps??

[denirobob]

Hi Gerd, What kind of formation are you using?

[Professor Nutmeg]

Originally Posted by denirobob

Blimey! ive taken a numner of 4 and 5nil tonkings in my time but never 7!

You should really have written it out as (seven) mate in brackets like the good ol' vidiprinter days on grandstand

revenge for their cup defeat perhaps??

..with the sound effect too, lol


Indeed it was revenge. But i'm in the semis and they're not :-pp A bit embarassing, but it happens.
I always get a bit suspicious when the computer goes mental. I feel it wants to fiddle with goal differences. I had slowly worked my way up out of the minus zone up to about +2. Now i'm back in the minus zone again.

I resisted making any signings in the mid-season window. I will wait to see where i finish. I think if i get a European plce then i can perhaps attract a decent player. I will need a keeper mind, as Balli has said he will retire at the end of the season.

[gerd]

Hi db,

I play all sorts of formations.
I usually start a formation the CPU makes ("suitable") and then i start to tinker with it (that is before the kick-off).
But as Didier Six promised "champagne football" i play very offensive...3-4-3 or 4-3-3 or a very offensive 4-4-2 which is more a variation upon a 4-3-3. In that last case i play with Gregory Pujol as a very offensive AMF, with Savidan and Diaby (in the game he's called Dia) as a sort of Wingers.
If a play 3-4-3, i still prefer playing with 2 full backs or wing backs instead of 3 CB's.
That way my team is very vulnerable defensive, but since i have to concede that i can't defend on the PSP version, i don't really care about defending. I just try to score a goal more than the opponents...until now it works usually...but sometimes i can go wrong.
The last match i played was against Lens, i went up 2-0 and they still scored two goals in the last 20 minutes...that was the one match i decided to play a litle bit more conservative after going up 2-0...

[Stringer Bell]

nerf, were you watching Scooby Doo movies over the weekend!?!?!?

[denirobob]

[Stringer Bell]

Originally Posted by denirobob

Hi SB,


thank you mate, apologies for not replying to your message sooner.

If its still ok i will try to get that file across to you if you still didnt mind converting it for me.

Fingers crossed if the little fella sleeps this afternoon i will get a few more games in before the cup semis! :pray:

db

Sorry, didn't see this post denirobob.

Yeah, send the file to me whenever you are ready.