FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[OPM]

i totally agree with him that shooting sucked in 08 and getting passed defenders really was too hard, so if those 2 key points really are fixed and made him rate the game 30% higher i am absolutely confident that it will be a cracker!

[BobbyBox]

there is no doubt this is going to be a great game. But it wont be perfect. I can live with that. I keep thinking what it is gonna feel like when i load this bad boy up for the first time, go to team select and choose Arsenal Vs Spurs. Then see the teams walk out on the Emirates. Come on EA, release this sucker early....i dare you!

Always my first game is Arsenal vs Spurs :DD

I can't wait!

[Radiation]

i agree. these ppl would earn respect for actually telling the truth but instead they tarnish their and their mags reputations by giving this biased and propaganda rubbish.

I was attacked on a forum the other day for saying that critics/reviewers are biased and their opinions shouldn't be held as the be all and end all for games. :LOL:

I said that they review games with bias and in some cases have written the reviews without even playing the game - check out ign's GTA SA review with the hitch hikers and skateboards and then you have the Kane and Lynch gamespot review controversy.

But apparently I was wrong and they have more of a right to say what is great and shite - my opinion is meaningless compared to them as its their job.

Fanboys eh :LOL:

[proxi]

My first game is always the opposite of Bobby & Wildster :) 6 minute halves, injuries on because Spurs are too tough and Arsenal deserve it.

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Didn't even think the game was finished yet, how the hell can they review it?.

[OPM]

should be about done now, guess they based their review on a 90-95% finished version. ea focus on the key improvements first and add stuff like new kits and rosters at the end of the development stage, so the mags can test the game early (even if it is with oudated data), spread the word the game is good and still have it up to date and on time for sale.

[gameklip]

Didn't even think the game was finished yet, how the hell can they review it?.

exactly... maybe it's a review of the Leipzig build?

[OPM]

no matter what built, it's been approved for review by ea so it has to be the final version (- the graphical and statistic updates)

[gameklip]

well it must be good if it got a 9/10 anyways.

it's clear to me that fifa09 will be the real deal this year. not flawless, then again not many footy games are.

ie. none

i predict pro evo will get a 7.5-8.0 btw

[proxi]

All games should just have a Cock Out, Cock In or Trousers Twitchings rating, bin all this number malarkey. FIFA will be Cock Out, PES probably Cock In.

[RockyJJP]

look what i found. i like this cover alot
http://www.take2.co.za/covers/med/upload2008/3755692.jpg

[proxi]

Rooney looks like he's telling his old flame Ethel Openbottom to "oh fuck off", as he puts the key in the door, much to Dinho's amusement.

[BwA Spectre]

For the life of me I cannot understand Dinho being on the cover....AGAIN! Guess it's a contract thing because he totally fell off the radar, had controversy and imo, doesn't have the work ethic or qualities needed to be on the cover. But oh well. I would have chosen Fernando Torres and Casillas

[BwA Spectre]

well it must be good if it got a 9/10 anyways.

it's clear to me that fifa09 will be the real deal this year. not flawless, then again not many footy games are.

ie. none

i predict pro evo will get a 7.5-8.0 btw

I predict 9 -9.5 for pes simply cause it has too many blind fanboy rev iwrs

[proxi]

I want Chris Kamara on there mid-speech, with Jeff Sterling in an inset circle looking stunned.

FIFA 09
"There's just no decision regarding this amazing game. Except on whether to buy it."

[Jamezinho]

For the life of me I cannot understand Dinho being on the cover....AGAIN! Guess it's a contract thing because he totally fell off the radar, had controversy and imo, doesn't have the work ethic or qualities needed to be on the cover. But oh well. I would have chosen Fernando Torres and Casillas

I think Rooney and Ronaldinho were signed in to 4 or 5 year deals by EA.

[Radiation]

I want Chris Kamara on there mid-speech, with Jeff Sterling in an inset circle looking stunned.


Fifa 2010: Unbelievable!

[stumain]

<Images cut, give us a break>

do you have scanned info (p27) of Pes be a legend as stated in fifa artical?

[BwA Spectre]

Look! And thats that ign is always clearly pro pes (for obvious biased reasons)

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/906/906111p2.html

[CHUCKY666_UK]

That 2nd opinion guy is ajoke! 6/10 for fifa 08? LOL! There will be people who, no matter how disappointed they are deep down inside with PES, will give it 9's. Deep down they are hurting but cannot let their emotions show, then they rate each PES iteration as "the best", and so on. It's quite pathetic. I played both PES 2008 and Fifa 2008 and rate PES a 6/10 and Fifa an 8.3/10. I predicted 9's for Fifa 2009 and so far, so good. There will be some who give it obvious biased reviews (ign, which I predict will give it from a 7.5 - 8.0).

Anyway, Im waiting till the day that Konami burn a copy of Atari 5200 soccer and package that as PES 2010. Then you'd hear all the "it's amazing" reviews. LOL! Some people are a riot.

How the hell did u rate Fifa as 8.3 out of 10?? Are you sure PES wasnt 5.995 /10 ?:LOL:

[winston]

That review mentioned a few things that I hadn't really heard before, like how passes are now often just slightly misplaced or overhit rather than being scritped to go straight to a man or some other pre-determined destination (I'm assuming he's not playing on full manual control).

I'll be intrigued to see how it plays out. None of the videos seemed to show it, although I wasn't particularly looking for it.

It might make a lot of matches more scrappy, but that's what a lot of real matches are like. Here's hoping...

Also great to hear the tactical sliders and stuff comes into play most in Be-A-Pro mode. I can see that being the main mode I play off-line so I'll be intrigued to see if the long-ball game can be truly effective.

All in all, it sounds like they've made improvements in all the right areas (except manager mode - there's always next year, Placebo), but I reckon this game is going to be tremendously addictive.

[Trance_Allstar]

That review mentioned a few things that I hadn't really heard before, like how passes are now often just slightly misplaced or overhit rather than being scritped to go straight to a man or some other pre-determined destination (I'm assuming he's not playing on full manual control).

I'll be intrigued to see how it plays out. None of the videos seemed to show it, although I wasn't particularly looking for it.

The way I read it was that because of the analog settings, passes are never exactly on target, and just passing and trapping are bigger parts of the game than the automatic PES ones.

[Bingham67]

In-Depth Hands-on

http://feeds.ign.com/~r/ignfeeds/xbox360/~3/378232976/906111p1.html

Edit: just noticed posted above

[winston]

The way I read it was that because of the analog settings, passes are never exactly on target, and just passing and trapping are bigger parts of the game than the automatic PES ones.


Still not sure I follow what's going on here. If he was playing on manual controls, then fine, I can understand passes being regularly misplaced or weighted incorrectly.

But if he was playing on auto, then what causes all these misplaced passes? Is it first time passes that are less on target (which would be great, as it's too easy on auto to play perfect one-touch football), so you need to trap the ball first, and then, when you've got the ball under control, play your pass as you'll now have more chance of it going exactly where you want?

I'd really like to see a game where lots of the players with lesser passing stas are far more likely to slightly misplace passes, so the passing stats really start to mean something, but somehow, I don't think that's what going on here, otherwise EA would have been blowing trumpets about it.

I guess time will tell. Time will also tell if cpu players are equally afflicted by less accurate passing and weaker ball control. Somehow, I suspect not.

[cowden_harley]

ach it's only about a fortnight till we get to test it out ourselves.

[Radiation]

That annoys me that you can have a passing stat of 50 and still somehow manage to make a pixel perfect long ball pass right onto the foot on a striker the other end of the pitch.

[Trance_Allstar]

Still not sure I follow what's going on here. If he was playing on manual controls, then fine, I can understand passes being regularly misplaced or weighted incorrectly.

But if he was playing on auto, then what causes all these misplaced passes? Is it first time passes that are less on target (which would be great, as it's too easy on auto to play perfect one-touch football), so you need to trap the ball first, and then, when you've got the ball under control, play your pass as you'll now have more chance of it going exactly where you want?

I'd really like to see a game where lots of the players with lesser passing stas are far more likely to slightly misplace passes, so the passing stats really start to mean something, but somehow, I don't think that's what going on here, otherwise EA would have been blowing trumpets about it.

I guess time will tell. Time will also tell if cpu players are equally afflicted by less accurate passing and weaker ball control. Somehow, I suspect not.


It would surely be great if they had implemented some randomization features, aswell as enhanced (or should I say implemented) the importance of the stats for passing and such.

I really don't see why it should be so difficult, you just need to make players with better stats play more accurate passes.
And that way the advantage of "Assisted" vs. "Manual" passing would be further diminished, since both would suffer from the same level of inaccuracy (obviously assisted passes would always be intended to end up exactly at players so technically it might be slightly more accurate (the dispersion of the inaccuracy of the player is always centered bull's eye on a teammate), but the difference would be less, and "assisted" players would also have to suffer botched passes and more difficult trapping due to unpredictable passes).


I think I just repeated myself again. ;)

[Placebo]

All in all, it sounds like they've made improvements in all the right areas (except manager mode - there's always next year, Placebo)

Indeed, but still I'm really excited now, can't wait for it to arrive :)

Just ordered a HDD enclosure off Ebay so I can add a 160gb hard drive that I have to my wife's laptop for capturing Fifa09 video footage!

[evogerman10]

That annoys me that you can have a passing stat of 50 and still somehow manage to make a pixel perfect long ball pass right onto the foot on a striker the other end of the pitch.

remember that it is not only about the accuracy of the pass but also the speed. players with more passing stats give better through balls on the ground and in the air. also imagine if the reviewers gave fifa 08 a 6/10 and everybody agrees that 08 was very good how good fifa 09 is that they gave it a 9/10

[Ferraritim]

It was a different reviewer, mate ;)

[hanakuka]

i hope that star does'nt apper over you player heads as i haven't checked it. the thing reminded me of the sims when i was playing euro 2008 i just wish i could remove all radars player names etc if i wanted to.

[RockyJJP]

I'm really happy with the PSM review. Especially the part that said even though build up play is excellent, goals are hard to come by because the keepers are well positioned. This was a big worry of mine because in all the video's i've seen the keepers hardly dive and looked crap. Ps only 12 until the demo i can't wait also does anyone know how much time the halves will be in the demo?

[proxi]

Probably 2 minute halves, or at a push, four Jeff!

[Andreas]

Anyone heard any rumours about edit mode? Still sucks like last year?

[fantomas23]

few questions in regards to fifa 09

what is the fifa 09 equivalent of special abilities in pes? is it similar as in star attributes to dribbling, long distance shooting, marking, scoring, 1 vs 1 etc?

does nakamura and ronaldinho have their own unique free kick motion?

are unlicensed kits patchable/editable?

[hanakuka]

they don't really have special abilities they're just way better at certain things than the rest . ronaldo and ronaldinho have their own freekick animations and a few other players have as well as penalties but anyway that was in 08 so im not if they will be more personalised this time round but i haven't seen or read anything that says otherwise.

actually they do have traits like the ones you mentioned but i personally didn't see any visual differences.

ps2 verion casual controls is a joke
YouTube - FIFA 09 - PS2 Gameplay - Casual Controls Tutorial (29th Aug 08) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WotXZN9ycm4)

[hanakuka]

live season trailer
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/7672/FIFA-09-Adidas-Live-Season-Trailer-in-HD/

[sweetkilla]

casual controls for noobs...
its good for those who r shite for example my 5 yr old brother would actually be able to play tht lol

[sweetkilla]

live season trailer
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/7672/FIFA-09-Adidas-Live-Season-Trailer-in-HD/

yeah saw it earlier more impressed after seeing that video seeing a visual representation of how it would affect rooney in the exact same situation and cech..

[tobi]

Does anyone else in here prefer the way PES handles pauses in online games...when you press START the menu doesn't appear until a break in play.

It can be annoying in Fifa when your opponent pauses the game suddenly especially if it ends up their favour and you lose momentum.

Is it still like this in 09?

[sweetkilla]

I actually prefer fifa's because in PES if you have 5 min to go and you need the ball and you get it your forced to kick it out when you could just pause it and change ur formation etc, and your opponent could be a time wasting cunt keeping possesion with his defence


That shouldn't really be a problem with the ability to set 5 custom formations with their own settings in game on the fly I will never be pausing it now except for subsstitutions :)

(Now)

[Blaccat]

Lordddddddd!!!!!!!1

i didnt just see "autopilot" in a sports game

[tobi]

I actually prefer fifa's because in PES if you have 5 min to go and you need the ball and you get it your forced to kick it out when you could just pause it and change ur formation etc, and your opponent could be a time wasting cunt keeping possesion with his defence


That shouldn't really be a problem with the ability to set 5 custom formations with their own settings in game on the fly I will never be pausing it now except for subsstitutions :)

(Now)

Getting possession back is a good point, I probably wont play a lot of random folk online in 09 so hopefully it wont be an issue.

[NeXus]

I've got a little question about the edit mode of Fifa 08 . I havent bought Fifa for 5 years ^^ so i dont know what you can do with the Edit mode of Fifa :DD
Is it possible to change Names of the players or creater players for a team? Can you change the face details or something like that? It's little bit :OT: i know ^^

[SXFuzz]

Let's wait for the 20.000 vs 20.000 mode in BE A SPECTATOR. Do FINESSE SCARF moves while pressing R1, trigger buttons and right analog for TRICKY CHANTS, use the motion sensor to control your position from standing to getting up. And push triangle to eat frankfurt.

The good thing is that all 40.000 spectators would be watching our PS3 Evoweb BE A PRO team demolishing the X360 Evoweb one. I am the DMF and score all of the goals. But the game is totally annoying when all the spectators begin to pause the game for no reason.

End of story.

Haha, quality.

[proxi]

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/drugbunneh/fifa09kamaraeditionbyproxi.jpg

The real PAL cover, in my opinion.

[Placebo]

few questions in regards to fifa 09

what is the fifa 09 equivalent of special abilities in pes? is it similar as in star attributes to dribbling, long distance shooting, marking, scoring, 1 vs 1 etc?


If I'm gathering correctly what you're asking the answer is traits, here's the list of possible traits with explanations:


MENTAL Leadership - Player is known to inspire the other players on the team (for GK, how well he commands his own area)
MENTAL May Fail To Perform Under Pressure - Player is known to under perform in big match situations.
MENTAL Media Darling - Player has a high reputation and is loved by the media.
MENTAL Pumps Up - Crowd - Player is known for interacting with supporters during the match.
MENTAL Pumps Up - Team-mates - Player cheers up teams mates with backslapping, hand clapping, shouting, hair roughling etc.
MENTAL Responsibility Taker - Player is known for taking charge of a game if losing
MENTAL Risk Taker - Player is known to make dangerous decisions during the game (dribble in his own defensive half…)
MENTAL Scandal Prone - Player of low reputation who is known for scandals and affairs.
MENTAL Selfish - Player is known for holding onto the ball even when team-mates are in a better position
MENTAL Super Sub - Player is known for coming of the bench in the second half, and scoring.
SKILLS 1-2 Passer - Player makes himself available for 1-2 passes
SKILLS Counter Attacker - Player excels during counter attacks
SKILLS Crosser - Early Crosser - Performs early crosses often
SKILLS Crosser - Late Crosser - Performs late crosses often
SKILLS Dribbler - Speed Dribbler - Player is known to knock the ball ahead of his opponent and use his speed to beat them (CPU only)
SKILLS Dribbler - Technical Dribbler - Ability to draw people in for one-on-ones and beat them with dribbling (CPU only)
SKILLS Finesse Shot - Player is efficient with shots utilizing the inside/outside of the foot
SKILLS Flair - Player is known to try flamboyant moves (trap, pass, etc…) during a game. GK will try flamboyant saves
SKILLS Long Shot Taker - Player is known for shooting often from long distance
SKILLS Long Throw - Player is known for throwing the ball farther than the average player
SKILLS Passing - Long Passer - Player performs long passes a lot (Only for CPU player)
SKILLS Passing - One Time Passer - Player performs one time pass a lot (Only for CPU player)
SKILLS Passing - Outside Passer - Player uses out side foot a lot to pass the ball
SKILLS Power Header - Player is known to hit the ball powerfully when heading at goal
SKILLS Specialist - Corner - Player is known for being very good at taking corners.
SKILLS Specialist - Through Ball - Player is known for playing through balls often (the killer pass)
SKILLS Switches Ball To Other Flank - Player likes to switch the ball to other side of the pitch
SKILLS Takes Finesse Style Free Kicks - Player relies on placement (finesse shots) rather than shot power when taking direct free-kicks.
SKILLS Takes Powerful Driven Free Kicks - Player relies on power rather than placement when taking direct free-kicks.
SKILLS Tries First Time Shots - Player shoots the ball without first controlling it. First sight of goal the player takes a shot.
POSITIONAL Forward Pushes Wide Left - Forward or striker is known to often drift to the left side of the pitch
POSITIONAL Forward Pushes Wide Right - Forward or striker is known to often drift to the right side of the pitch
POSITIONAL Holds Up (Link Man) - Player is known for holding onto the ball until team mates have time to join the attack
POSITIONAL Play Maker - Player is focal point for attacks, team mates pass ball to him more often and make more runs when he has the ball
POSITIONAL Pushes Forward/Overlaps - Player is known to push forward to look for space or to out number the opposition's defense
POSITIONAL Target Forward - Often position’s himself in a forward/central position, looking for the long ball
POSITIONAL Tries To Beat Defensive Line - Player times his run to stay onside when a ball is played through to him
POSITIONAL Wing Player - Player excels when playing on the wing.


A player can have up to 6 different traits, only one positional trait per player though.

[mcruz]

live season trailer
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/7672/FIFA-09-Adidas-Live-Season-Trailer-in-HD/

the live vision trailer has real ingame animation or is animated only for this movie???
because if the animation ingame would be exactly like in this movie... it would be absoluted fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way ribery pass the foot around the ball is just amazing animated!!!!:applaud:
and the 1 - 2 that rosicky and fabregas do with great movimentation... :applaud::applaud:
the passes are beautiful to in this video... great animation...

someone can confirm this!!!??

[Bitter Rivals]

the live vision trailer has real ingame animation or is animated only for this movie???
because if the animation ingame would be exactly like in this movie... it would be absoluted fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!
the way ribery pass the foot around the ball is just amazing animated!!!!:applaud:
and the 1 - 2 that rosicky and fabregas do with great movimentation... :applaud::applaud:
the passes are beautiful to in this video... great animation...

someone can confirm this!!!??

that is ingame footage

[sweetkilla]

the only thing I am worried about is off form gk's with spurs current situation of leaking goals!

[h3li0]

theres some things that worries me. One is that the tricks are easy to do, we see in videos and i´ve seen it in Fifa 08 that people abuse os the tricks wich make the game a little unrealistic.

True that the tricks didn´t work always, but its annoying to see a player do some tricks that in fact in reality they will never do or be cappable of do.

Just a point, where is messi loking when he shots for goal ????

[mcruz]

that is ingame footage


the graphics i'm sure that is from ingame, but the animations in this movie are from gameplay!???
its like a gameplay video but with cinematic cameras???
everything that is in the video will be in the gameplay with the exactly same animations???
if answer is yes so it's bloody fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!:applaud::applaud:

[santiago]

the graphics i'm sure that is from ingame, but the animations in this movie are from gameplay!???
its like a gameplay video but with cinematic cameras???
everything that is in the video will be in the gameplay with the exactly same animations???
if answer is yes so it's bloody fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!:applaud::applaud:

YES

[Shazam!]

Is it just me or does Arsenal have last seasons kit in that PS3 review?

[Placebo]

Is it just me or does Arsenal have last seasons kit in that PS3 review?

New kits get added in later on in the development process, review was clearly with a not quite final version.

[gameklip]

just watched the hd vid on my PS3. its all ingame. it's just a closer camera angle than normal.

fifa09 looks incredible.

i try not to, but i can't help but hype myself for it.

[Bingham67]

Although still got day to get through i class it 11 days until demo now cant wait. :))

[Chris Davies]

It's getting unbearable now. Playing FIFA 08 and wishing the player would be just a smidge faster... It's really hard.

My hopes are so high now, the game is going to have to be perfect or I'll be heartbroken.

[Bingham67]

Yeah hard to play Fifa 08 when you seen Fifa 09 just hope it lives up to everything.

[mcruz]

just watched the hd vid on my PS3. its all ingame. it's just a closer camera angle than normal.

fifa09 looks incredible.

i try not to, but i can't help but hype myself for it.

so it's really really amazing!!!
the animation are incredible life like!!!!

[YoungGun_UK]

It's getting unbearable now. Playing FIFA 08 and wishing the player would be just a smidge faster... It's really hard.

My hopes are so high now, the game is going to have to be perfect or I'll be heartbroken.

Honestly I've been playing 08 again recently and 09 is really so much better, I was one of the people who didnt find 08 that sluggish but bloody hell its unbearable for me at times now after giving 09 a run.

[Chris Davies]

Thanks for that YoungGun. It's so long to wait, even if it isn't...

FIFA 09 trailer up on Marketplace!

[depesser]

i have been pro evo only player for years now,last fifa game i bought was fifa 2007,and i brought i back to gameshop soon after,i found it so much worse than pes5,bad gameplay and no fun playing it.
i had high hopes for pes2008,bought ps3 and ps2 versions,it became the biggest disappointment ever(ps3 game disaster).
i have good hope that pes 2009 is going to be a good game from the comments so far,and a must buy game for me.
i played the fifa 2008 demo last year and found the game not good ,unresponsive and shooting not at level from pes6(on ps2).
the many good previews for fifa 2009 decided me to try the euro 2008 demo ,that came with opm magazine demodisc.
i tried to have controls as simular as with pes,and to my surprise playing with new anolog,and classic dynamic camera was almost identical to the way i play pro evo.
only france -germany in demo,but i could not stop playing.
passing,headers and shooting much improved and a good gamespeed,tense situations in the box(like in pro evo),it convinced me that missing out on fifa 2009 because of bad experiance in the past would be a mistake.
the radar is not as good as in pes,and its a shame in fifa you can not change players like in pes,a black player being white and white player black and your not able to change it like pes with optionfile is a shame.
also in the past players from lower leagues and teams had to many simular faces and you could not change them.
however the playermodels in fifa 2009 seem much more realistic now .
looking forward to the demo to confirm,but i think i already now i buy this game.
a good pes stays number one for me,but fifa can become a close second.
more is better,football the winner,competition is good.

[sweetkilla]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.level7.nu%2Ftexter%2F read.php%3Fid%3D177574&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Pro Evo or FIFA Article

[sweetkilla]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.level7.nu%2Ftexter%2F read.php%3Fid%3D174459&sl=sv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Article 2

[evacuate]

Have to remember that the guy at Level7 is somewhat of a PES fanboy. I would say he's pretty much like Adam at WENB.

Adam and that guy pretty much say that FIFA 09 is a great game but PES 2009 is better. Didn't read the translation but the bad points with 09 to him is:
- Response time is still not as good as he wants
- Ball physics is balloony and not realistic at all
- The ball is not its own free object but follows preset rails

I, as a manual player, find the last point very a amusing because the ball has never been so free in a game as of fifa 08 and euro 08.

I think I will really enjoy this game if he only find these things to complain about. Because I think the ball physics in Euro 08 is good, it wasn't in FIFA 08. I'm a manual player so his last comment doesn't bother me and since the response times will be better than in Euro 08 it can't be bad to me.

There is still some really bad thing with FIFA though. Only one player from each team can try to take the ball. I've commented on this a hundred of times in this thread, sorry. But this is the most unrealistic thing in FIFA and PES owns this area totally. Where this is most evident is on corners because the box is crowded but only two players will be able to head the ball. Every corner looks exactly the same. You can position your player perfect but the game might have chosen another player to be the only one to lock on to the ball. Pisses me off just to think about it.

[JayD]

He basically admits to being a Pro Evo fanboy. FIFA is the winner this year, no doubt about it. Konami is now playing catch up and you know what I hope they do retake the crown in the future because it's me and you the gamer who benefits. PES is running on an old engine, it's been the same for years, I was a a total PES convert after WE5 on PS2, even though I had dabbled with ISS etc before that. And I couldn't stand FIFA until they started making an effort with teh NEXT GEN systems. Even though FIFA 07 was hugely flawed. it was immediate to see that EA were trying something new and that struck me as PES/WE hadn't changed for years and each incarnation like UCL , FIFA 08 , UEFA and now FIFA 09 has improved and they have really listened to what the fans wanted, something Konami has never done. And now FIFA due to this is the #1 footy game on the market and due to financial status and stratergy of listening and improving will be hard to displace. But as I mentioned before if Konami do take their finger out and make PES 2010 the updated game it needs to be and goes beyond FIFA that's where my money will be going but until then EA will have it for what is undoubtedly the best value for money package there is.

[Bingham67]

He basically admits to being a Pro Evo fanboy. FIFA is the winner this year, no doubt about it. Konami is now playing catch up and you know what I hope they do retake the crown in the future because it's me and you the gamer who benefits. PES is running on an old engine, it's been the same for years, I was a a total PES convert after WE5 on PS2, even though I had dabbled with ISS etc before that. And I couldn't stand FIFA until they started making an effort with teh NEXT GEN systems. Even though FIFA 07 was hugely flawed. it was immediate to see that EA were trying something new and that struck me as PES/WE hadn't changed for years and each incarnation like UCL , FIFA 08 , UEFA and now FIFA 09 has improved and they have really listened to what the fans wanted, something Konami has never done. And now FIFA due to this is the #1 footy game on the market and due to financial status and stratergy of listening and improving will be hard to displace. But as I mentioned before if Konami do take their finger out and make PES 2010 the updated game it needs to be and goes beyond FIFA that's where my money will be going but until then EA will have it for what is undoubtedly the best value for money package there is.

:SAL: although i was PES much earlier.

I hope PES flops if Konami just want to be arrogant and quote sales all the time thing is i doubt it will flop. It was a bigger seller in Europe last year PES 2008 over Fifa 08 but worldwide Fifa 08 had more sales.

Although i still hold off judgement until playing PES 2009 i really dont think its going to change my mind until there new technology and new engine and i hope thats PES 2010.

[Bitter Rivals]

blame the fan boys if pes never progresses, it is their fault

[BillyBoy]

I cant wait till the FIFA 09 demo is out now. I will soon stop playing any football title in preperation for the new releases. :)

[Nick Cave]

I cant wait till the FIFA 09 demo is out now. I will soon stop playing any football title in preperation for the new releases. :)
I'll probably play the demo once and that's it, it will make 08 seem too bad otherwise, and I don't want to be stuck playing just the demo until release :DD

[sweetkilla]

the thing is the demo won't even represent the final game so its faults or + points may get better/worse

[Chris Davies]

I cant wait till the FIFA 09 demo is out now. I will soon stop playing any football title in preperation for the new releases. :)
The vids and previews have the opposite effect on me; I'd stopped playing FIFA, PES and CM because the bugs were all getting on my nerves, but now I'm playing FIFA again to try and plug the big gaping FIFA 09 hole I now suffer from.

[BillyBoy]

What im going to do is from September 10th I will stop playing both FIFA 08 and PES 2008. Then on September 11th I will download the demo of FIFA 09 and until release on October 3rd it will be the only thing I will play. All the videos are making me more and more hyped for the game. It just looks so good.

[Coopz]

I know someone else who's gonna do that

*cough*Bitter*cough*

:))

[WEtongelre]

Well, I hope the dynamic camera bug is fixed. Or else I will stuck on FIFA 08 :(

[Bitter Rivals]

I know someone else who's gonna do that

*cough*Bitter*cough*

:))

:-pp

damn right, but i will get my 5v5 fix along the way

[OneEitherFlank]

blame the fan boys if pes never progresses, it is their fault

Bingo.

[WILDSTER180774]

Chelsea are, sad to say, going to be awesome in fifa09, i hope we dont get all the glory hunters picking them and i suppose Barca all the time. Playing euro2008 and the amount of players who pick France all the time is very frustrating. Normally i cancel. They are so over-rated within the game. I hope Fifa09 has addressed this problem and have not made the top teams/players unbeatable. I played this player last night on euro, he was level25 and i still only level 1. He was a great player but guess what, he picked France, and probably always has done. Jesus, if i picked France id be a level25 too. They sometimes are un-tackleable (is that a word?). I wait in hope.......

[Bingham67]

Gamersyde GC 08 awards

EA got the best booth and Fifa 09 got best sports game :))

Please PES fans don’t get mad but we have to admit that this year once again, Fifa is about to offer a better experience than the previous games. There are true improvements and innovations in the gameplay, which does not seem to be the case for Konami’s champion. It feels like PES has gotten stuck in between the old and new generation and the few things that have been done this year to satisfy the players do not seem to be enough to make us believe in a fresh start of the franchise. We should also mention that we were quite impressed by what we saw of NBA Live 09, which finally offers realistic-looking animations. Now we just need to wait to see 2K’s answer with NBA 2K 09.

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7060_en.html

[Chris Davies]

Gamersyde is my new favourite review site! :BY:

[Radiation]

wow I thought far cry 2 would get best looking game.

[BillyBoy]

Far Cry 2 looks very impressive but Killzone 2 is without doubt a far better looking game. As for FIFA 09 winning the best sports game award, well the hype just keeps on building!

[evacuate]

Imagine how nice it would be if when playing online 10 vs 10 you could review the game when it's over and save replays from it. Would be pretty interesting to see replays from people playing proper football don't you think? To bad they refuse to let us save replays.

Looking ahead to FIFA 2010 it might be pretty good.
* Saving replay to hdd
* Proper BAP Seasons, not only 4 years
* Better MM
* Clan support for 10 vs 10 (or 11 vs 11) with tournaments and so on

But I guess FIFA 09 will be OK for now ;)

[danhammer]

What im going to do is from September 10th I will stop playing both FIFA 08 and PES 2008. Then on September 11th I will download the demo of FIFA 09 and until release on October 3rd it will be the only thing I will play. All the videos are making me more and more hyped for the game. It just looks so good.

same here mate, once the demo is there then that's it....will find it extremely hard to play fifa 08

[Radiation]

I posted this in the PS3 BAP thread but it might not be read there so...

Does anyone know if this 10 vs 10 will be auto join like 5v5 was or if we can indeed meet up with mates and then launch a game through a lobby?

[Scorpio]

The vids and previews have the opposite effect on me; I'd stopped playing FIFA, PES and CM because the bugs were all getting on my nerves, but now I'm playing FIFA again to try and plug the big gaping FIFA 09 hole I now suffer from.

Glad I'm not alone. ;)

[astirling]

same here mate, once the demo is there then that's it....will find it extremely hard to play fifa 08


Well it depends what level they put the demo on. If it's on semi-pro like the EURO demo it's gonna get old pretty quick. Not much fun in winning every game by several goals. And the lack of online will be enough to have me going back to FIFA/EURO until release day. (Well a day before release day if shopTO live up to their usual oustanding service).

[stahre]

Seeing the Adidas Live Season Trailer I kind of wanted this to be included in Manager Mode as well. I know there is form and morale but sometimes I miss the up and down arrows in PES (dare I say that here :EMB: )

Sometimes when playing FIFA08 I didn't make substitutions nor did I rotate the squad as much due to that fatigue didn't make much difference and the players felt a bit too similar in skill. If they have changed that I might not miss the arrows either... :THINK: ...just thought it would be kind of cool seeing that the player you scored with twice last game now is "on form".

[Blaccat]

I posted this in the PS3 BAP thread but it might not be read there so...

Does anyone know if this 10 vs 10 will be auto join like 5v5 was or if we can indeed meet up with mates and then launch a game through a lobby?

You can create 5v5 sessions in 08

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Seeing the Adidas Live Season Trailer I kind of wanted this to be included in Manager Mode as well. I know there is form and morale but sometimes I miss the up and down arrows in PES

Yeah I do aswell, but it just wouldnt work. Some people play half a season in a week or two, thats one or maybe two updates for a team/player.

What could be good is a "season" spread over a real season. As a seperate mode. So once a week you get to play a match with the correct line-ups/injuries/etc and see how you do across the season with your team with the exact same form/injuries as your real team. Its still a bit lightweight, but I can't see them getting it to work in MM.

[Radiation]

You can create 5v5 sessions in 08

Could you? I don;t remember much about it myself - i remember being able to create private games but not BAP games

[Blaccat]

Chelsea are, sad to say, going to be awesome in fifa09, i hope we dont get all the glory hunters picking them and i suppose Barca all the time. Playing euro2008 and the amount of players who pick France all the time is very frustrating. Normally i cancel. They are so over-rated within the game. I hope Fifa09 has addressed this problem and have not made the top teams/players unbeatable. I played this player last night on euro, he was level25 and i still only level 1. He was a great player but guess what, he picked France, and probably always has done. Jesus, if i picked France id be a level25 too. They sometimes are un-tackleable (is that a word?). I wait in hope.......

they are not unbeatable

http://i35.tinypic.com/16lahah.png

[stahre]

Yeah I do aswell, but it just wouldnt work. Some people play half a season in a week or two, thats one or maybe two updates for a team/player.

What could be good is a "season" spread over a real season. As a seperate mode. So once a week you get to play a match with the correct line-ups/injuries/etc and see how you do across the season with your team with the exact same form/injuries as your real team. Its still a bit lightweight, but I can't see them getting it to work in MM.

I wanted the "form arrows" to depend on the matches you play yourself in MM. So if you have a good match with somebody he's on form the next game you play. Not depending on the real world. Just wanted the arrows to make some more interesting choices when you pick your squad.

Kind of liked your idea with one match per week as well :)

[YoungGun_UK]

Chelsea are, sad to say, going to be awesome in fifa09, i hope we dont get all the glory hunters picking them and i suppose Barca all the time. Playing euro2008 and the amount of players who pick France all the time is very frustrating. Normally i cancel. They are so over-rated within the game. I hope Fifa09 has addressed this problem and have not made the top teams/players unbeatable. I played this player last night on euro, he was level25 and i still only level 1. He was a great player but guess what, he picked France, and probably always has done. Jesus, if i picked France id be a level25 too. They sometimes are un-tackleable (is that a word?). I wait in hope.......

This was one of the points I made straight after playing the game. There going to be the team to face 9/10 with the ability their players have but with the collisions system they also have a very big side also which what will make the difference. I think it will be able to counter though with quicker teams as Chelsea arent one of the quickest team I've seen.

[sweetkilla]

as I have said Before Inter and CHelsea will be the teams to use and Inter more so


apparently they have just signed quaresma in the last hour..

So that makes it


Adriano,Ibra,Cruz,Mancini,Quaresma,Stankovic,Figo, Cambiasso,Vieira,Samuel,Materazzi,Maicon,Cordoba,C hivu,Cesar,Balotelli

every single one of them is a power house or strong and quick...

[evogerman10]

manchester will be the best ronaldo-91 tevez-88 ronney-87 nani-85 anderson-85 carrik-86 and evra-85

[evogerman10]

new video
FIFA 09 LIVE SEASON TRAILER NEW 3/30/08
YouTube - FIFA 09 LIVE SEASON TRAILER NEW 3/30/08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_k3tuswig)

[RichardRichards]

Fifa 09 will be better than PES 2009 simply because EA sports actually listen to their customers...Konami are arrogant. This year there will be a major change-over of players from PES 2009 to FIFA. I used to play PES all the time and will continue to do so...however in my heart i now know that FIFA is the better game.

One of the main reasons FIFA is now better than PES (other than licenses, teams, stadiums and skill moves) is because of its almost flawless online play. Online gaming is massive now...i personally now hardly play ANY game in single player mode for more than a week - there is nothing better than playing another human being who will at times may be better than you or will make little mistakes which makes gaming realistic. Fifa has online leagues, interactive leagues, be a pro mode and ranked and unranked matches - PES has ranked and unranked matches (maximum of 2 vs 2) and Legend mode...thats it.

Konami need to seek help...but are sooo arrogant and refuse to do so. I think the japanese have lost the plot when it comes to producing next-gen football games. Time to hand it over to a european team. If PES 2009 scores more than 8/10 ill be surprised. What Konami have produced this year should have been released last year.

The guy in the review who rated FIFA 08 at 6/10 must have been drunk. Its prob a 7.5/10 with PES2008 being the 6/10 game. I sold my copy of PES2008 (or dancing on ice as i like to call it) within a week of getting it...i was digusted.

Essay over!

[sweetkilla]

fifa 09 will be better than pes 2009 because it plays the more realistic football game.


''Simulation''

[WEtongelre]

new video
FIFA 09 LIVE SEASON TRAILER NEW 3/30/08
YouTube - FIFA 09 LIVE SEASON TRAILER NEW 3/30/08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_k3tuswig)

It's a week old my friend.

[winston]

FIFA09 will be better because EA have put huge effort and resources into developing a new, next-gen engine, with all the possibilities that that opens up for them. This is what their customers want.

Meanwhile, Konami have been struggling to port their 10 year old engine onto next-gen and are now trying to fine tune it so it plays exactly like a version they produced 3 years ago. This is what their customers want.

[sweetkilla]

and thats why PES is stale to me!

I don't want to play PES5 lol I can go out and buy it for 50p

[Tim7]

:LOL: Very true winston!

[drekkard]

FIFA09 will be better because EA have put huge effort and resources into developing a new, next-gen engine, with all the possibilities that that opens up for them. This is what their customers want.

Meanwhile, Konami have been struggling to port their 10 year old engine onto next-gen and are now trying to fine tune it so it plays exactly like a version they produced 3 years ago. This is what their customers want.

:-pp wise...

[Wowlman]

Simple fact with Pro Evo is this: they were lucky enough to put together a great last-gen football engine. There was no game-creating genius at hand. They had no idea how successful it would be, and they were helped by the fact that FIFA at the time was an atrocious series of games.

Fast forward several years, and Konami have no idea how to bring it to the next level. They are, as Winston said, trying to port the old version to the new consoles and it just feels dated. They simply don't have the resources to match EA, so the turnaround will be slow. Expect another couple of years before Konami can begin to challenge again.

[Jamezinho]

Fifa 09 will be better than PES 2009 simply because EA sports actually listen to their customers...Konami are arrogant. This year there will be a major change-over of players from PES 2009 to FIFA. I used to play PES all the time and will continue to do so...however in my heart i now know that FIFA is the better game.

Seriously, don't buy PES this year then. Konami need a wake up call because as far as they are concerned PES2008 was a smash hit success. If they don't hit their sales targets this year maybe they will get the message that something is wrong.

It may be the only way seeing as Konami don't actually talk to anybody/live in the real world.

[WILDSTER180774]

i listened to the latest podcast on wenb and you could hear in Suffs's voice that he is not excited about pro 2009. Yes he said it is a very good game and he enjoyed it but he went on to talk about the dissapointment within the community from most, not all, who expected much more from Konami this year. He goes on to say about expect more from pro 2010 but my opinion is that the chances of Konami 'nailing' a brand new next gen engine at the first attempt is very slim. Fifa 07 was EA's first attempt and although i never played it personally i hear it wasnt that great, although it was a great fisrt stepping stone. He goes on further to suggest that pro will still sell this year but only to the hardcore 'loyal' fans of the game and to the casual gamer'. He mentions that because of the progress that Fifa has made this year more than ever Pro heads are being turned. I like the way he never mentions Fifa09 just 'major rival'. Like we dont know who he is on about

[RockyJJP]

Has anyone heard how long the time in the demo will be?
P.S why on earth Toronto FC, why not the galaxy

[evacuate]

They are so afraid of talking good about FIFA over there. They make themself look very fake when they do a FIFA podcast about how good it is and then being all about PES in the PES podcast. They are obviously afraid of pissing off both Konami and EA so they kiss ass both ways.

[WILDSTER180774]

yeah its weird that they run fsb too. Think that needs to change for the good of both sites. In my opinion though i think they give a good honest account of what they see but your right, they seem to walk on eggshells not to piss Konami off. Think i read that Suff will be doing a podcast for fsb shortly after playing the final build so that will be very interesting. He was "blown away" when he went to EA Canada so i cant seeing the final build being worse.

[Placebo]

Chris, JayD and I have no qualms saying how good (or bad) Fifa is :)

[Chris Davies]

Chris, JayD and I have no qualms saying how good (or bad) Fifa is :)
Yep, see THIS (http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1427587&postcount=3029) post in the PES thread where I mention the things I hate about FIFA, and you don't have to look far to see Placebo's issues with the manager mode. We aren't getting paid for what we're doing over there so we're only going to say things as we see them, so that if the goalkeepers aren't fixed or whatever, they are fixed the next time around.

Nothing will stop me criticising the things I don't like because there's only one reason I'm dedicating my free time to working over there - the perfect football game.

[WILDSTER180774]

placebo, do you know when the next podcast is going to be put up on FSB? Its been a while now since the last one

[WILDSTER180774]

Also, how many English divisions are there? Is it just the Premier and the Championship?

[Chris Davies]

Exact same leagues as in FIFA 08 from what we know, haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise. So England should be there down to League Two.

[Radiation]

I wonder if they going to reflect the minus points in league two

[Jamezinho]

I wonder if they going to reflect the minus points in league two

They can't even include the play-offs.!

[Radiation]

No play offs again this year?

What ever happened to 'if its in the game.. its in the game'

[WILDSTER180774]

Exact same leagues as in FIFA 08 from what we know, haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise. So England should be there down to League Two.

thanx Chris, never played 08 so didnt know that. Are the lower leagues licensed too?

[BillyBoy]

Yes the lower leagues are also licensed.

[Jamezinho]

yeah its weird that they run fsb too. Think that needs to change for the good of both sites. In my opinion though i think they give a good honest account of what they see but your right, they seem to walk on eggshells not to piss Konami off. Think i read that Suff will be doing a podcast for fsb shortly after playing the final build so that will be very interesting. He was "blown away" when he went to EA Canada so i cant seeing the final build being worse.

I'm looking forward to the next FSB Podcast. I just hope Adam stays the hell away from it. I've got a lot of time for Suff and enjoyed listening to his reactions from Vancouver, but then in the next podcast Adam almost undermines his opinions with his biased pro-pes agenda.

I feel sorry for Suff actually. It's clear that he is not exactly overwhelmed by the new PES from listening to that last few podcasts and the videocast, but he has to play along with the excitable Adam. WENB is a bit of a joke come to think of it.

[WILDSTER180774]

Cheers BillyBoy, that is cool. Is there a place where i can find the full list of teams and stadia in fifa09 or 08 will do

[WILDSTER180774]

I'm looking forward to the next FSB Podcast. I just hope Adam stays the hell away from it. I've got a lot of time for Suff and enjoyed listening to his reactions from Vancouver, but then in the next podcast Adam almost undermines his opinions with his biased pro-pes agenda.

I feel sorry for Suff actually. It's clear that he is not exactly overwhelmed by the new PES from listening to that last few podcasts and the videocast, but he has to play along with the excitable Adam. WENB is a bit of a joke come to think of it.

yeah it was weird that they had such different views of the game considering they share the same gaming principles with pro evo. Only thing that may be a reason for it was that Suff was talking the game up big style so maybe Adam was expecting something out of this world so it never quite lived up to expectations. That said though he did like the game a lot. That is the fear i have with fifa09. That it has been hyped so much that it can never live upto expectations of people on here. It wont be perfect!

[Tim7]

WENB is a bit of a joke come to think of it.
a bit? :LOL:

[Joe]

wait so once again there are no playoffs?!

[Jamezinho]

yeah it was weird that they had such different views of the game considering they share the same gaming principles with pro evo. Only thing that may be a reason for it was that Suff was talking the game up big style so maybe Adam was expecting something out of this world so it never quite lived up to expectations. That said though he did like the game a lot. That is the fear i have with fifa09. That it has been hyped so much that it can never live upto expectations of people on here. It wont be perfect!

Very true.

I wouldn't be too sceptical about the hype. If like me you've been playing Fifa08 pretty solidly since release, and still do now, then there's no reason why Fifa09 wont keep you going for 12 months, too. Fifa08 was a flawed game, but still the best footy game available, so if Fifa 09 irons out some of the problems (mainly response times) then we are in for a real treat.

Believe the hype!

[Jamezinho]

a bit? :LOL:

Ok, A fully fledged joke.:LOL:

[BobbyBox]

wait so once again there are no playoffs?!

Don't think we will know that until we get the game - But people said they haven't bothered with much in that department. So it isn't looking good :((

[Solar CFC]

YouTube - FIFA Soccer 09 - PC Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aey_orwV8)
First PC trailer!!!

[mjsmith2k]

Don't think we will know that until we get the game - But people said they haven't bothered with much in that department. So it isn't looking good :((

Gutted. :brick:

[Placebo]

placebo, do you know when the next podcast is going to be put up on FSB? Its been a while now since the last one

No idea sorry, I haven't contributed anything to them and probably won't until at least the demo has arrived as I've had no hands on time with Fifa09

wait so once again there are no playoffs?!

I believe it's already been confirmed there'll be no playoffs, first FSB podcast IIRC.

[WILDSTER180774]

No idea sorry, I haven't contributed anything to them and probably won't until at least the demo has arrived as I've had no hands on time with Fifa09



I believe it's already been confirmed there'll be no playoffs, first FSB podcast IIRC.

why is that Placebo? id have thought being on the FSB team you would have played a version by now.

[Joe]

what a load of shit

[WILDSTER180774]

what a load of shit

maybe next year, lets be thankful for the things they have included this year.

[Cammey]

What's happened to DJ Doc He was going to Leipzig apparently.

[Joe]

and hopefully stayed there

[Oli]

I heard he lives in Greggs now

[Bitter Rivals]

I heard he lives in Greggs now

you musn't of heard that right

"i heard he lives with Greg at Greggs now"

[Chris Davies]

He's one of the FSB guys now, in charge of the video side of things. He did take a couple of vids from Leipzig I think, if you look at FSB from the date Leipzig started there were a couple of videos with "FIFASoccerBlog.com" printed on them at the start.

[Cammey]

He is a top chap DJ in my opinion.

[Coopz]

He is a top chap DJ in my opinion.

Yeah hes sound, mixing with a person some people didn't like made him disliked though

[DaWolf]

Video with bad quality but a pretty nice goal:
YouTube - fifa 09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrbfCYr-2is)

[Bitter Rivals]

Yeah hes sound, mixing with a person some people didn't like made him disliked though


http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7931/davidfl9si9.jpg

[Bitter Rivals]

Video with bad quality but a pretty nice goal:
YouTube - fifa 09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrbfCYr-2is)

wonder wot the original program was..

also that must of been on fast speed - whoosh

[sweetkilla]

I am gonna guess it was something on xleague that channel is as shite as ther video :LOL:

[Jamezinho]

''This is without question the fastest Fifa of them all.....''

''Expect frantic one-time pinball-like action.....''

Yeah, 'cos that's what we all want from a football game.

[SJP76]

Just pre-ordered from Blockbusters. Get a free footy and £15 of game vouchers aswell. Not bad I suppose.

[BillyBoy]

I was going to pre-order from Blockbuster's later this month and trade in FIFA 08 towards it. Does that deal apply to the PS3 version?

[SJP76]

I was going to pre-order from Blockbuster's later this month and trade in FIFA 08 towards it. Does that deal apply to the PS3 version?

They said it did as that's what I'm buying it on. I traded in 08 last week for £10. If I did it the day before I would have got £14. Oh well, it's only £4. Probably should have kept it for the sake of a tenner but traded in more games I wasn't playing so thought I'd get as much as I could towards 09.
09 is currently listed as £44.99 (£49.99 last week) but the bloke said it will be £39.99 by release.

[proxi]

wonder wot the original program was..

also that must of been on fast speed - whoosh
It was surely off XLeague / Pulse, as that annoying cunt who does the cheesy voiceovers on The Chart was in the background making skidmarks with his voice again. He really does my tits in.

"And we're sure Mario Kart Wii will be wheeling it's way around the chart circuit for many weeks to come"

"With the countrys health needing a boost, Wii Fit will surely jog it's way back up the charts again soon, with it's opposition losing ground AND losing weight"

Spunkskip.

[Placebo]

why is that Placebo? id have thought being on the FSB team you would have played a version by now.

To have played a version I would have had to have gone to a gameshow which was demonstrating a version :) Hopefully FSB will get retail copies sometime between demo and release :)

[gameklip]

FIFA09 will be better because EA have put huge effort and resources into developing a new, next-gen engine, with all the possibilities that that opens up for them. This is what their customers want.

Meanwhile, Konami have been struggling to port their 10 year old engine onto next-gen and are now trying to fine tune it so it plays exactly like a version they produced 3 years ago. This is what their customers want.

nothing truer has ever been written.

[Jamezinho]

How long has the FIFA 09 game trailer been on the Xbox Marketplace?:THINK:

I only stumbled across it today. Nice to see a trailer on my HD TV. Can't wait now.

[hanakuka]

new vid old footage (french
YouTube - FIFA 09 - Exlcu du jeu - [01/09/08] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rnhHUGGywQ)

[Jamezinho]

new vid old footage (french

The first bit is the trailer that's on the marketplace.

[baisti]

yes but the fucking pc engine its a damn shit!!!!
on next gen fifa will be the best football game for a few years and i love it but on pc it such a shit everything is so so so i don't know so grey !!!

[shieldslfc]

FIFA09 will be better because EA have put huge effort and resources into developing a new, next-gen engine, with all the possibilities that that opens up for them. This is what their customers want.

Meanwhile, Konami have been struggling to port their 10 year old engine onto next-gen and are now trying to fine tune it so it plays exactly like a version they produced 3 years ago. This is what their customers want.

Yes but you can throw all the money and effort in the world at it, but it still doesn't guarantee success. Before anyone has a go, I will be buying both games, so I am not siding with any game, and I agree EA are making the bigger effort to improve the game (not hard as Konami doing fuck all). So they deserve to come out on top.

But what worries me is that EA have really been cranking up there effort for a good number of years now, and I cannot believe the standard were still at, it should be better, and obvious flaws should have been corrected by now. I mean how long is it going to take before we get realistic headers. Thats if the game allows us to head the ball, because on most crossers were you want to head it, the player instead will try and chest the ball, even at an un-chestable (new word) height, how many years has this gone on for, this is worrying, it seems they improve in areas not so important.

Pes has its faults and they certainly grew with 2008, but Pes has been years ahead of Fifa, and although a lot believe Fifa 08 took over as the best footy game, I am not so sure. Shooting, Heading, Player motion and reaction still edge it for me in Pes, you just never feel you are in total control with Fifa, and when you pull something off, you just dont feel 100% responsible.

So I hope the reported improvement in control is true, just hope its enough of an improvement though as it really needs to be.

[Placebo]

yes but the fucking pc engine its a damn shit!!!!
on next gen fifa will be the best football game for a few years and i love it but on pc it such a shit everything is so so so i don't know so grey !!!

You're best stick to the console version then :)

[CHUCKY666_UK]

guys!guys! Has different weather actually been confirmed yet (overcast, rain, snow) ?? I remember a lot of talk from EA after 08 that this is where their next effort would be. If so then how come there has been absolutely no gameplay footage of different waether??
P.S. Its one of those things I have reallly been looking forward to.

[ronaldo10]

Yes but you can throw all the money and effort in the world at it, but it still doesn't guarantee success. Before anyone has a go, I will be buying both games, so I am not siding with any game, and I agree EA are making the bigger effort to improve the game (not hard as Konami doing fuck all). So they deserve to come out on top.

But what worries me is that EA have really been cranking up there effort for a good number of years now, and I cannot believe the standard were still at, it should be better, and obvious flaws should have been corrected by now. I mean how long is it going to take before we get realistic headers. Thats if the game allows us to head the ball, because on most crossers were you want to head it, the player instead will try and chest the ball, even at an un-chestable (new word) height, how many years has this gone on for, this is worrying, it seems they improve in areas not so important.

Pes has its faults and they certainly grew with 2008, but Pes has been years ahead of Fifa, and although a lot believe Fifa 08 took over as the best footy game, I am not so sure. Shooting, Heading, Player motion and reaction still edge it for me in Pes, you just never feel you are in total control with Fifa, and when you pull something off, you just dont feel 100% responsible.

So I hope the reported improvement in control is true, just hope its enough of an improvement though as it really needs to be.

totally agree on everything
that's what u always feel when u playng fifa, u have no contoll over the player, especially with the players un responsivne, made it even worst for me to enjoy fifa08, i really hope they had fix the responsivnes this time around. plus i also hope the game it's as fun to play with friends, as it was in pes. that's something pes does better, other then that fifa09 look promesing game this year

[Placebo]

guys!guys! Has different weather actually been confirmed yet (overcast, rain, snow) ?? I remember a lot of talk from EA after 08 that this is where their next effort would be. If so then how come there has been absolutely no gameplay footage of different waether??
P.S. Its one of those things I have reallly been looking forward to.

Yes.

totally agree on everything
that's what u always feel when u playng fifa, u have no contoll over the player, especially with the players un responsivne, made it even worst for me to enjoy fifa08, i really hope they had fix the responsivnes this time around. plus i also hope the game it's as fun to play with friends, as it was in pes. that's something pes does better, other then that fifa09 look promesing game this year

You must be playing a different version to me, I control my players fine, can pass, can shoot, can tackle, can dribble, better than the shite Euro2008 where you can't tackle, can't score, can't compete against teams that are lesser than you........

[Placebo]

YouTube - Fifa 08 Goal by Baning. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPH1PCiIUZg)

See, I control the player, control the ball, control the shot, score nice goal, easy :)

[wan_d7]

dude,nice goal. ^^

[Jamezinho]

I hope the day/night matches and weather effects are available at all stadia. For instance, in Fifa 08 you couldn't play a night match at the San Siro or Stadio Olimpico - only a day or dusk match - and weather effects and match times varied in Euro 2008 also(e.g. you couldn't play a rainy night match at some grounds, or a sunny day match at others).

I always thought this was a bit strange.

[ronaldo10]

i know Placebo, it's difficult to explaing, but to me the gameplay it's not as responsiv and fluid as pes in general, (apart from pes08 that version was shit) and for me that is a very importand part of the gameplay, i really wanna feel i am in controll, i am that player on the pitch, but in fifa i never feelt that way, i know some people will not agree, but that's my opinion

[final lap]

Has anything been mentioned about the spanish commentators in the game? I remember the Campus Day videos had spanish commentary that sounded too good to be true. Where these actual commentary from the game or just some people commentating at the event? Thanks.

[stahre]

Has anything been mentioned about the spanish commentators in the game? I remember the Campus Day videos had spanish commentary that sounded too good to be true. Where these actual commentary from the game or just some people commentating at the event? Thanks.

I am also wondering about the commentators in FIFA09. Thought that Placebo might have heard something since we are both from Sweden. In FIFA08 we couldn't choose english commentators here in Sweden. We were stuck with either swedish, dutch or spanish commentators(!). Believe me, you don't want to listen to the horrible swedish commentators no matter if it is your native language. This was for the 360 by the way.

[pepper63]

and hopefully stayed there:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::w00t:

[evogerman10]

dont you guys think that it would be a good idea for another company to make a soccer game. for example 2ksports. to bring out a whole new engine. it might come out to be a good game, then there would be more than 2 choices when buying a soccer game

[gergerger]

You know what would be great about the Live Season feature?

Not only a stats adjustment, but also a weekly adjustment on the players appearance. I mean suppouse Ronaldo changes his hair completely, wouldn't it be awesome to have that reflected in-game as well?

In fact, I think I'd prefer that kind of changes over the stats changes. Because seriously, players can have bad matches but when you play on YOUR computer you will hate it if Rooney misses easy shots over and over again just like the one from the video. I mean it would be like your own timing, pace and accuracy to take a shot has no influence on the game.

I wonder if that isn't a dangerous thing...

[winston]

Yeah, they could also have weekly downloads to keep up to date the colour of the players' pants.

They could also allow us to download the actual weather conditions for that weekend, so if it was wet and windy, then that's what you have to play in. Can't be that hard to do as the weather is factual, rather than the more subjective player form.

[Placebo]

i know Placebo, it's difficult to explaing, but to me the gameplay it's not as responsiv and fluid as pes in general, (apart from pes08 that version was shit) and for me that is a very importand part of the gameplay, i really wanna feel i am in controll, i am that player on the pitch, but in fifa i never feelt that way, i know some people will not agree, but that's my opinion

Yes but comparing PES to Fifa08 is a fallacy, PES is an arcade game, that's why it has super fast responses to accentuate the super fast dribbling, look at the way PES moves, it's not realistic, look at the way it pingpong passes around, it's not realistic, Fifa08 is realism based, that's why it's much, much slower, maybe too slow for some, but I play far better realistic football with Fifa08 than I ever did in my years playing PES.

I am also wondering about the commentators in FIFA09. Thought that Placebo might have heard something since we are both from Sweden. In FIFA08 we couldn't choose english commentators here in Sweden. We were stuck with either swedish, dutch or spanish commentators(!). Believe me, you don't want to listen to the horrible swedish commentators no matter if it is your native language. This was for the 360 by the way.

I'll be getting the Pal version with English commentary that's for sure ;)

[Placebo]

dont you guys think that it would be a good idea for another company to make a soccer game. for example 2ksports. to bring out a whole new engine. it might come out to be a good game, then there would be more than 2 choices when buying a soccer game

You have to be joking, you clearly haven't seen Prizefighter in action, that was the whole "I wish a company like 2k made a boxing game so it would be a simulation and challenge EA to make Fight Night better".......

Prizefighter was an ugly, buggy, glitchy game and they just announced there'll be no update to fix the countless problems with it.

[gomito#10]

You have to be joking, you clearly haven't seen Prizefighter in action, that was the whole "I wish a company like 2k made a boxing game so it would be a simulation and challenge EA to make Fight Night better".......

Prizefighter was an ugly, buggy, glitchy game and they just announced there'll be no update to fix the countless problems with it.

yes and that game was the exception not the rule man... there other games are superb

[evogerman10]

You have to be joking, you clearly haven't seen Prizefighter in action, that was the whole "I wish a company like 2k made a boxing game so it would be a simulation and challenge EA to make Fight Night better".......

Prizefighter was an ugly, buggy, glitchy game and they just announced there'll be no update to fix the countless problems with it.

that does not mean that if they ever make a soccer game it will but stupid like prize fighter

[wan_d7]

off topic!- i wanna get a console for this decent game. may anyone advice me which to get! :LOL:
thanks!

[adelante]

I think a lot of people here will point out the 360 cos there seems to be more people playing it online...and lets face it, the 360's online capabilities are somewhat unmatched (though maybe not for long if Sony bucks up)...plus you might wanna consider the 360's Dashboard Update coming this fall that features seamless party play (makes it so much easier for up to 8 players to form a party and jump from one game to another)...

[sweetkilla]

Yes but comparing PES to Fifa08 is a fallacy, PES is an arcade game, that's why it has super fast responses to accentuate the super fast dribbling, look at the way PES moves, it's not realistic, look at the way it pingpong passes around, it's not realistic, Fifa08 is realism based, that's why it's much, much slower, maybe too slow for some, but I play far better realistic football with Fifa08 than I ever did in my years playing PES.



I'll be getting the Pal version with English commentary that's for sure ;)


exactly!

[Radiation]

360 is the cheaper console - PS3 online is free - other than that look at some exclusives see which you prefer.

[sweetkilla]

360 is the cheaper console - PS3 online is free - other than that look at some exclusives see which you prefer.

ps3 online is free and shite when home comes out then I will consider using a PS3 for my online play again.

And even then if the system works really well I can see them charging for it...

[Radiation]

They said about a week ago at Leipzig they have no plans to charge for PSN even when HOME comes out.

A few games have had troubles online - GTA had a server problem for about 2 weeks after launch and BF Bad Company was laggy on launch and laggy when they launched conquest... but they run on the EA servers so isn't Sony's fault.

Can't say I've had the problems I had on the 360 with lag, racists, singers, dumb kids shouting throughout the game and those people who whip their cocks on when the game has camera support like Uno, Burnout and C&C3. The only problems I have ran into are a few nob head players on BF Bad Company who team killed or cheated to rank up.

I think PSN is awesome for playing online.

[shieldslfc]

I dont think Pes 2009 will be a huge step forward, I can only see it advancing once/if they make a new engine for it. Makes me think though PES is running on a 5 yr engine and still Fifa hasn't really took over from it like it should have done. Roll on the Fifa demo anyway, maybe the control is much much better, heres hoping. . . .

[Radiation]

Are they releasing a demo for PES09 before the games release?

[sweetkilla]

They said about a week ago at Leipzig they have no plans to charge for PSN even when HOME comes out.

A few games have had troubles online - GTA had a server problem for about 2 weeks after launch and BF Bad Company was laggy on launch and laggy when they launched conquest... but they run on the EA servers so isn't Sony's fault.

Can't say I've had the problems I had on the 360 with lag, racists, singers, dumb kids shouting throughout the game and those people who whip their cocks on when the game has camera support like Uno, Burnout and C&C3. The only problems I have ran into are a few nob head players on BF Bad Company who team killed or cheated to rank up.

I think PSN is awesome for playing online.


thats because you actually have to go out and buy a headset not every 10-13 year old will do that for their ps3...

[wan_d7]

emm. will i need to pay to even play fifa online with xbox360?

[Tim7]

You just never feel you are in total control with Fifa, and when you pull something off, you just dont feel 100% responsible.
You obviously haven't played on fully manual :)).

[Radiation]

emm. will i need to pay to even play fifa online with xbox360?

Yes you have to pay for a gold membership (About £35 for the year) to be able to play online - you probably will get a free XBL Gold trial that will last 24 hours with fifa but don't quote me on that.

The first time you create your Gamertag on the 360 you'll get given 1 months free gold membership and if you want to you could create a new tag 2 more times after that and get 2 more months free. But you can't carry over any achievements or friends across - you'll have to start from scratch each time (though re adding your friends isn't too difficult)

So you could try that and play online for 3 months for free - if you're bored of the online after that then you can pay for a membership - I'm sure they do monthly, 6 month and yearly options ... not sure if any other combinations are available.

-

On the PS3 you create your Playstation Network name (PSN) and then boot up fifa and you can play. If you want to use any of the EA sports features you'll have to create an EA sports account on their site and then put those details into the game

[Placebo]

emm. will i need to pay to even play fifa online with xbox360?

You need a Gold live account to play 360 games online or to download certain content (such as the free squad updates). considering live only costs $60US and includes:

* 12-month Xbox Live® Gold membership
* $20 Xbox 360 Game Rebate Coupon*
* Xbox 360™ Headset
* Xbox Live Arcade game: Bankshot Billiards 2™
* 200 Microsoft® Points

It seems like a bargain to me, or you can get just the Gold code itself from Ebay for around 25%-50% less :)

[Scorpio]

Uhm, did anyone buy the Official Playstation magazine UK? It came out yesterday and has reviewed Fifa 09.

If so, scans would be much appreciated... :D

[Placebo]

Uhm, did anyone buy the Official Playstation magazine UK? It came out yesterday and has reviewed Fifa 09.

If so, scans would be much appreciated... :D

You mean the one that gave it 9/10 and was posted about like a week ago (including scans)?

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1425494&postcount=1962

[evacuate]

Are they releasing a demo for PES09 before the games release?

I think it was announced that the PES09 demo will be released the same week as the game gets released. I think their strategy is as before, release late so people buy the game without playing the (shitty?) demo.

[Tim7]

Ben Wilson needs to be brutally soddomised by jaygrim and pepper.

[Placebo]

He already has, they wouldn't go back for seconds, that's why he's so bitter ;)

[jonneymendoza]

I think it was announced that the PES09 demo will be released the same week as the game gets released. I think their strategy is as before, release late so people buy the game without playing the (shitty?) demo.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

[ronaldo10]

[QUOTE=Placebo;1429200]Yes but comparing PES to Fifa08 is a fallacy, PES is an arcade game, that's why it has super fast responses to accentuate the super fast dribbling, look at the way PES moves, it's not realistic, look at the way it pingpong passes around, it's not realistic, Fifa08 is realism based, that's why it's much, much slower, maybe too slow for some, but I play far better realistic football with Fifa08 than I ever did in my years playing PES.

pes was never an arcade game, pes2008 is i agree don't mix things up:SS
maybe it becouse the game is still running on a very old engine, with the same animation as on the ps2 version, that's
not acceptable on this gen, and i really hope konami will do something in the future, but it doesn't mean is an arcady football game.
nice graphic and realistic animation does not make the game sim eather, but it does help the game look realistic, not nassesery feel or play realistic.
so my point is about responssivnes, not about the game speed, the speed was fine, but the slow responsiv players killed the experienc for me, if fifa09 worked on that as they promised, that can help the gameplay in huge amount, it will be les fustrated and more fun, i really hope fifa09 has improved on that this year

[sweetkilla]

9 days to the hour until we get a taste of fifa 09 on the 360!

[BobbyBox]

Ben Wilson needs to be brutally soddomised by jaygrim and pepper.

What has the Guy from the Beach Boys got to do with Fifa 09?

[evacuate]

Can't wait. It's nice to now that NHL 09 with it's BAP season mode will be released soon, that will keep my mind of FIFA 09 and make the wait easier to handle.

[Placebo]

pes was never an arcade game, pes2008 is i agree don't mix things up:SS


I disagree, PES was and is an arcade game, it doesn't mean it was a bad game, for many years it was my football game of choice and I had happy times with it, but it was never a simulation of football no matter how much people try to convince themselves otherwise.

[RockyJJP]

I seriously can't wait for the demo. I've actually never been so excited for a demo before. What time does the demo go online, is it at midnight or only the next morning?

[airjoca]

I seriously can't wait for the demo. I've actually never been so excited for a demo before. What time does the demo go online, is it at midnight or only the next morning?

It doesn't matter anyway, the whole internet will crash anyway... :)

[evacuate]

I don't have an active Gold Live account so I have to wait at least one extra day to download it :CRY:

[jonneymendoza]

It doesn't matter anyway, the whole internet will crash anyway... :)
HOPE its in the morning as i can quickly download it when i wake up at 6am ;)):w00t:

[jonneymendoza]

I don't have an active Gold Live account so I have to wait at least one extra day to download it :CRY:
my gold account expires in a week :LOL:

[BobbyBox]

HOPE its in the morning as i can quickly download it when i wake up at 6am ;)):w00t:

I need it to come before 9am so I can download before I go to work. But any betting it will be at 10am or something just to piss me off!!!!

[RockyJJP]

I hope it's at midnight, but i seriously doubt it

[santiago]

Hey! I can't access LIVE on my XBOX :( ...
Is there any site where I can download it when its out???

[Placebo]

Hey! I can't access LIVE on my XBOX :( ...
Is there any site where I can download it when its out???

It'll probably be posted to usenet, most 360 demos are.

[santiago]

Man, I really, really, really hope so :( ...

[Placebo]

Fifa08 was, Euro2008 was, can't see why not Fifa09 :)

[airjoca]

Well, well, some FIFA goodness in Portugal:

http://zon.mygames.pt/uploads/images/ad2.jpg

:)

[Jamezinho]

Well, well, some FIFA goodness in Portugal:

:)

I trust you will be going?

[Coopz]

I need it to come before 9am so I can download before I go to work. But any betting it will be at 10am or something just to piss me off!!!!

Don't worry bob ill keep you updated on how good it is via the chatbox when your at work :))

[sweetkilla]

I need it to come before 9am so I can download before I go to work. But any betting it will be at 10am or something just to piss me off!!!!

just don't go to work :w00t:

[BobbyBox]

just don't go to work :w00t:

I am feeling a bit sick - the sort of sickness that gets really heavy and strong in about 9 days ;))

[jonneymendoza]

me too. i blame bobby. im catching his sickness :(

[Bitter Rivals]

2x 2 min halfs tho...

will be so annoying

[BobbyBox]

2x 2 min halfs tho...

will be so annoying

I hate that shit - as if giving us a game with five minute halves will make us say 'Ohh I'm not buying this game - I will play the demo for the rest of my life, because I can play for a decent amount of time'

I would rather have 5 min halves and only have two teams to play with. What is the reasoning behind 2mins halves?!!!!!!!!

It's bullshit!!!

[Chris Davies]

Take a look at JayD's comment on FSB under the "Exclusive: FIFA 09 demo details revealed" (http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/exclusive-fifa-09-demo-details.html) article...

Just to add that the 360/PS3 version is probably 4 x 4 not 2 x 2 like the PC version.

We're getting mixed signals but it's not definite either way. I think we'll be getting longer half-lengths on the console demos, from what we can get out of the EA guys.

[Bitter Rivals]

Take a look at JayD's comment on FSB under the "Exclusive: FIFA 09 demo details revealed" (http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/08/exclusive-fifa-09-demo-details.html) article...



We're getting mixed signals but it's not definite either way. I think we'll be getting longer half-lengths on the console demos, from what we can get out of the EA guys.

he also said he needed to confirm it, which he hasn't :((

[Chris Davies]

No news is good news! He also says under that comment:

As mentioned we've had word that the 360 and PS3 versions will not be 2 x 2 that is PC only.

I'm only quoting these because I've lost the emails I had forwarded from EA, but if I was a betting man I would say the console demos will be longer.

[ronaldo10]

2x 2 min halfs tho...

will be so annoying

yeah but still better then the last years demo, we even get to try the penaltys out on the demo

[BobbyBox]

No news is good news! He also says under that comment:



I'm only quoting these because I've lost the emails I had forwarded from EA, but if I was a betting man I would say the console demos will be longer.

Oooh thats promising :DD

[Bitter Rivals]

yeah but still better then the last years demo, we even get to try the penaltys out on the demo

last years demo was one half and i think it was a 4 min half

[Milanista]

Woohoo!!! Milan in demo!!!! 4 minute halves!!! What more could I hope for?? Hopefully its 2 players too.

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Well as much as i was looking forward to the game, i can safely say that i'm looking forward to it even more now, the reason - I've just started to play Fifa 08 with everything set to manual and i cant believe how the game changes. The way you approach the game and have to play it are totally different now - all for the better, cant believe I've been missing out for this long!. :w00t:

[Bingham67]

Just give us 6 mins i say not like we have full game in demo.

[Coopz]

Fifa demo's are always 2x2 mins or one 4 min half so i expect no different this time

[ronaldo10]

I disagree, PES was and is an arcade game, it doesn't mean it was a bad game, for many years it was my football game of choice and I had happy times with it, but it was never a simulation of football no matter how much people try to convince themselves otherwise.

how comes pes was not simulation, when all the teams, and players feelt differen and almust accurately to the reality, only that is a huge bonus to make a sim football game, something ea can't get it right, in fifa.
well that's your opinion man i am not arguin with you, as i respect ur effort u put here and in fifablog, i just don't agree that's all

[Jamezinho]

how comes pes was not simulation, when all the teams, and players feelt differen and almust accurately to the reality, only that is a huge bonus to make a sim football game, something ea can't get it right, in fifa.
well that's your opinion man i am not arguin with you, as i respect ur effort u put here and in fifablog, i just don't agree that's all

Your only as good as your last game and PES2008 was in no way a simulation, just fast-paced arcade football. That's fine in itself, and many people like that, just don't try and call it a simulation.:))

[Placebo]

how comes pes was not simulation, when all the teams, and players feelt differen and almust accurately to the reality, only that is a huge bonus to make a sim football game, something ea can't get it right, in fifa.
well that's your opinion man i am not arguin with you, as i respect ur effort u put here and in fifablog, i just don't agree that's all

I played PES for many years and the teams and players hardly felt different, sure some would be a little pacier than others, a little more agile than others, a little stronger than others, have a little better passing than others, a little better shooting that others, but that was about it, and Fifa had all that. Was it because I never played with the world stars in PES? Were they magically different in how they "felt" from the other players? PES is too easy a game, AI is weak and I won everything on 6*/top level or whatever they called it, I had to make the game more challenging by setting personal limits on which players I could sign. PES is arcade to me in how it moves, how the ball moves, how players dribble, how the passing is automated and "pinball"'esque, in Fifa I play on all manual passing and I have to pick my passes, watch the players move and play my long balls dissecting fullbacks to slide players in, switching the play with long balls, I do all that so much more realistically than I ever could in PES.

No news is good news! He also says under that comment:



I'm only quoting these because I've lost the emails I had forwarded from EA, but if I was a betting man I would say the console demos will be longer.

I whinged about the demo length on the EA forums and no EA personnel came back to say "you're wrong it's...."

[pepper63]

Ben Wilson needs to be brutally soddomised by jaygrim and pepper.Who's Ben Wilson? I hate anyone named BEN,fuck it " in for a penny " i'll do him.:-pp

[Tim7]

He was the old reviewer who gave FIFA08 a 6/10 and claims that FIFA09 still isn't a PES beater.

[airjoca]

I trust you will be going?

Oh yes. :)

[Cammey]

I have just downloaded the HD trailer off XBOX Live.

It looks great :))

[Coopz]

I got that yesterday

apart from the ball looking like its got a mind of its own at times and some dodgy saves its a great trailer :))

[Cammey]

I got that yesterday

apart from the ball looking like its got a mind of its own at times and some dodgy saves its a great trailer :))

Rosicky with his shirt tucked in got me worried to be honest.

And I'm sure Ribery wears Nike boots.

[ronaldo10]

Your only as good as your last game and PES2008 was in no way a simulation, just fast-paced arcade football. That's fine in itself, and many people like that, just don't try and call it a simulation.:))

u totally missed my other posts, never said pes08 or even pes4 was an simulation, i was talking about pes in general, about my last game:LOL: dude what are u on about:ROLL: i don't work for konami, i hate the last version as much as you, that game was unplayble and nothing simulation.

[Jamezinho]

You took my first line too literally.

It was a figure of speech, mate. People keep going on about Konami's history of great football games, but all that matters to me is their most recent one, which is shit. I'm not going to keep playing PES just it used to be a good game.

[Placebo]

ronaldo10 what's your thoughts on my reply about player/team individuality in PES? The reason I chase you up is that you come across as a fan of PES who can actually converse with us "Fifa devils" in a good way, without getting all sensitive and such, so I genuinely would like your thoughts if you get chance please :)

[ronaldo10]

I played PES for many years and the teams and players hardly felt different, sure some would be a little pacier than others, a little more agile than others, a little stronger than others, have a little better passing than others, a little better shooting that others, but that was about it, and Fifa had all that. Was it because I never played with the world stars in PES? Were they magically different in how they "felt" from the other players? PES is too easy a game, AI is weak and I won everything on 6*/top level or whatever they called it, I had to make the game more challenging by setting personal limits on which players I could sign. PES is arcade to me in how it moves, how the ball moves, how players dribble, how the passing is automated and "pinball"'esque, in Fifa I play on all manual passing and I have to pick my passes, watch the players move and play my long balls dissecting fullbacks to slide players in, switching the play with long balls, I do all that so much more realistically

yeah al is week i know, same thing in fifa,
plaing the game for months, every games can get easy.
but yeah i agree in pes08 the al was way to easy and not satisfying playing the very same ML.
about the rest, againg that's ur opinion, for me the game is more realistic,
if the good or bad pass, shot, throw long ball or whatever deepend on the player states, reather then in your manual skillz,
that's the differenc, both can be called sim in different way, at the end it depend on what u prefer more:ROLL:
maybe it sems like am taking the pes defenc but, really just trying to state my opinion, coz to be fair pes is a disappointing sport game, for an next gen counsel, otherwise i wouldn't be here reading news everyday & getting excited about the new fifa09

[ronaldo10]

You took my first line too literally.

It was a figure of speech, mate. People keep going on about Konami's history of great football games, but all that matters to me is their most recent one, which is shit. I'm not going to keep playing PES just it used to be a good game.

good point

[Placebo]

yeah al is week i know, same thing in fifa,
plaing the game for months, every games can get easy.
but yeah i agree in pes08 the al was way to easy and not satisfying playing the very same ML.
about the rest, againg that's ur opinion, for me the game is more realistic,
if the good or bad pass, shot, throw long ball or whatever deepend on the player states, reather then in your manual skillz,
that's the differenc, both can be called sim in different way, at the end it depend on what u prefer more:ROLL:
maybe it sems like am taking the pes defenc but, really just trying to state my opinion, coz to be fair pes is a disappointing sport game, for an next gen counsel, otherwise i wouldn't be here reading news everyday & getting excited about the new fifa09

Sorry I should have added I stopped playing PES at around PES5 on PS2, so my primary thoughts and opinions are based on PES5 and earlier.

[Oli]

The trailer doesn't look like ingame footage

[ronaldo10]

Sorry I should have added I stopped playing PES at around PES5 on PS2, so my primary thoughts and opinions are based on PES5 and earlier.

that will do mate:DD as the game hasn't change really:TD:

[ronaldo10]

The trailer doesn't look like ingame footage

i don't think eather, coz the Ribery skill, and overall animation, are so human real, to be in the game

[evacuate]

Obviously it's not in-game, but it's probably in-engine with custom animations. The point of the trailer is to show the new features of the game, which I think they manage to do pretty well. In a perfect world it would all be in-game though.

[gomito#10]

yeah al is week i know, same thing in fifa,
plaing the game for months, every games can get easy.
but yeah i agree in pes08 the al was way to easy and not satisfying playing the very same ML.
about the rest, againg that's ur opinion, for me the game is more realistic,
if the good or bad pass, shot, throw long ball or whatever deepend on the player states, reather then in your manual skillz,
that's the differenc, both can be called sim in different way, at the end it depend on what u prefer more:ROLL:
maybe it sems like am taking the pes defenc but, really just trying to state my opinion, coz to be fair pes is a disappointing sport game, for an next gen counsel, otherwise i wouldn't be here reading news everyday & getting excited about the new fifa09

i agree with ronaldo10, but placebo mate, you have a one dimiensional point of view, you always play against the AI. The best AI to play against is human, IMO. The individuality in PES came out more to me, in this mode. I knew i could be fine playing with a team like olympicaos because i had rivaldo in the squad, and he could turn a game on its head. But in fifa, i dont think it matters if you have eboue or zidane...

[Coopz]

Playing against the AI is shite, fact

Playing against humans is awesome, fact