FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[Tim7]

Not being funny mate, but no wonder you can't pass properly on manual if you're using the d-pad!

[brunnoce]

Not being funny mate, but no wonder you can't pass properly on manual if you're using the d-pad!

yeh i know this...
thats why i play with assists...i like playing PES style, like i mentioned before, i want players stats to influence if ill miss or not passes and shots more than my own skill
i know this aint what the majority of players like, but thats how my "boat floats", it has aways been, since WE3 :LOL:

[jonneymendoza]

I think what you actually mean is that you are shit on manual. Manual is manual, so if you're misplacing passes or having shots off target, then it's you that's to blame, nothing else.

I don't buy any of this bullshit where people say "there's only 8/16 directions to pass in as that's the controller axis", it's complete rubbish. Passes go where you tell them to go, I always use manual passing in our Evo Web Clubs games and I play some awesome passes a through balls, ask my team-mates.


well i will echo what i said the chatbox. given by your assumption that passing on manual when mastered properly is better then assist gives me the impression that playing on manual is a ADVANTAGE over someone passing the ball on assist.

why? because from what you have said earlier on, you can pick the right pass easily(which i like) but in assist it sometimes doesnt pick the right pass.

Also in shooting, its actualy better to play on manual/semi because again, like many manual users have said, you can place your shots wherever you want it to go whilst in assist you cant, you just press either left or right and shoot and 9/10 from MY experience the keeper always saves it.

it a nutshell, a person who has mastered manual has an advanatage over someone who plays on assist.

[Tim7]

Yeah, I agree (shockingly), with what you're saying there, and say it was a game between two Evo Webbers, one on manual v one on assisted, I would have some advantages being on manual, and you would have some being on assisted, i've always said they are good and bad in different ways.

BUT, when playing against random people online, i.e. quick ranked match, you just get complete dickheads who have no skill whatsoever, just picking Man Utd, Barca, Inter, etc, and all their controls are on assisted and all they do is 4 passes, and then shoot. Every attack that is all it consists of. And sadly they get rewarded for this, because 9/10 shots are on target, and 6/10 shots go in.

[andish2001]

well that doesnt appeal to most people mate. manual is shit on a control pad. like i said, i tried it for 3 weeks straight and just diddnt have fun playing with manual. i couldnt pass for shit or shoot as well. absolute rubbish.

i bet that most people in the x360 evo web league play on assist. learn how to deal with it mate and stop moaning about assist this and assist that. its not as if people who play on assist are forcing you to bloody play on assist too! its not cheating if thats what u think!

take forza and GT5P. people dont complain when people drive with aids on. infact, most of the manual drivers who play with no assist beat the people who play on assist.

The day i see a fifa game have just manual controls is the day me and MANY other users will stop playing fifa. its just NOT fun on manual in most peoples opinions.

in a nutshell, stop moaning and crying about people who play on assist, go play on assist so its an "even" game or go practise more on manual so it is like your playing on assist

Bull.

Skylight, you are completely 100% right, and jonney, you misunderstand what the argument is about. Skylight said that he doesn't care about having an even, close or competitive game - he only cares about the gameplay. And Honestly, mate - if you do play all assisted with manu (or anyone in fact) - how is this game ANY different to the entire PES series or our football gaming experiences so far? Real advances in football simulations simply cannot be made when the players controlling it are doing things inherently unrealistic - manual is obviously the way forward.

if you dont like people playing auto THEN DONT PLAY AGAINTS THEM. simple!!! their is a bloody option to force both players to play on manual for peets sakes.

Misses the point. Skylight is pissed because doing this results in finding no-one with all manual settings, and if he doesnt have fun playing against auto manu ppl, he is left with no online aspect of the game, like me. Effectively, we should be paying half price for our purchase.

It IS cheating. Its called an aimbot in an FPS game. Of course, the game doesnt shoot for you (well some do...), so it is still in your control. Assisted shooting, for example, is identical - it aims for you - it is your decision to shoot. Its like forza navigating the corners for you, and all you have to decide is when to brake and accelerate.

People dont find manual fun because gaming is so high-profile nowadays that the people who do are very much in the minority. Unfortunately, 14 year old kids dont have the attention span, intelligence or patience to play well on manual, and the majority of people you meet online fit this description to a T. They want a throw-away game where Ronaldo is god, the achievements are easy and they can trade it in next week for Viva Pinata.

The fact that you couldn't pass or shoot for shit shows that, really, you fall in this group. You might not be 14, and you may well be intelligent, but real football players who want to realistically emulate their actions in the game (and do NOT want to win necessarily) would make the effort you clearly have not. Honestly, wheres the fun in winning online if you know that all you did what hold speed burst and then power up a shot? I certainly dont see it. The people who play on assisted are, as I have found playing online, unaware that a manual option exists (and are quite often more than willing to switch if they are above the age of 16), or the type of people who fall asleep watching a real match but then have fits over the highlights.

Rant over.

[Professor Nutmeg]

I've only had a 360 for a little over a year now and i have to say, it's a bit tricky getting used to the sticks in a footy game. It's annoying you can't practice in the arena with the side camera (match style) ie not behind the player. My dribbling needs work too. I'll often be in a good attacking situation, then a flick of the right stick and i've knocked it off course and lost possession. :CURSE: I believe holding the LT helps control it a bit better when using the right stick.

Consequently my manual shooting is pretty dire, as it's such a fine angle you need to use on the left stick to get it on target. So i can often dominate play with loads of shots, but miss a lot. I feel like Florent Malouda.

Then the opposition have one shot and score, lol. :BRICK:

Oh and i use rubbish teams too, which probably doesn't help my cause :D

[jonneymendoza]

Bull.

Skylight, you are completely 100% right, and jonney, you misunderstand what the argument is about. Skylight said that he doesn't care about having an even, close or competitive game - he only cares about the gameplay. And Honestly, mate - if you do play all assisted with manu (or anyone in fact) - how is this game ANY different to the entire PES series or our football gaming experiences so far? Real advances in football simulations simply cannot be made when the players controlling it are doing things inherently unrealistic - manual is obviously the way forward.

If all he cares about is gameplay then why is he moaning then as if MANUAL is not included in it. its their, he can use it!

Misses the point. Skylight is pissed because doing this results in finding no-one with all manual settings, and if he doesnt have fun playing against auto manu ppl, he is left with no online aspect of the game, like me. Effectively, we should be paying half price for our purchase.

Its not otthers fault or problem that most like playing assist plus like i said in the chatbox, if i mastered manual and can play as good as in assist, i would not care weather my opponent plays on assis as i can easily pass and shoot just like him so again where is the cheating and the so called advantage that an assist has?

It IS cheating. Its called an aimbot in an FPS game. Of course, the game doesnt shoot for you (well some do...), so it is still in your control. Assisted shooting, for example, is identical - it aims for you - it is your decision to shoot. Its like forza navigating the corners for you, and all you have to decide is when to brake and accelerate.


Read my last paragrath

People dont find manual fun because gaming is so high-profile nowadays that the people who do are very much in the minority. Unfortunately, 14 year old kids dont have the attention span, intelligence or patience to play well on manual, and the majority of people you meet online fit this description to a T. They want a throw-away game where Ronaldo is god, the achievements are easy and they can trade it in next week for Viva Pinata.

So your saying everyone who plays on assist are 14 year old kids? thats generelizing talk right their

The fact that you couldn't pass or shoot for shit shows that, really, you fall in this group. You might not be 14, and you may well be intelligent, but real football players who want to realistically emulate their actions in the game (and do NOT want to win necessarily) would make the effort you clearly have not. Honestly, wheres the fun in winning online if you know that all you did what hold speed burst and then power up a shot? I certainly dont see it. The people who play on assisted are, as I have found playing online, unaware that a manual option exists (and are quite often more than willing to switch if they are above the age of 16), or the type of people who fall asleep watching a real match but then have fits over the highlights.

Again am i and any assisted players stopping u from playing on manual? the answer is a big fat NO mate

All this talk about how easy it is on assist is over the top mate. You and Tim make it sound as if assisted players DONT need to use the dpad/stick AT all when playing. you guys think that shooting and passing will magicaly direct itself all the time LOL without no direction or aim.

i wish you or any MANUAL player can come to my house and show me how to pass the ball to whoever i want without the need to aim and to also show me how to score a goal by just pressing the shoot button with no aim also. i would like to learn that technique hehe;)

[Tim7]

What we mean is that you don't need to be precise and aim the ball exactly where you want it. If I'm on manual and want to play a nice ball to my winger, I judge the situation and look at how much pace i need on the ball and what angle to play the ball at, then play it. All you do is aim in the general direction of the player and either tap A or hold A.

[jonneymendoza]

What we mean is that you don't need to be precise and aim the ball exactly where you want it. If I'm on manual and want to play a nice ball to my winger, I judge the situation and look at how much pace i need on the ball and what angle to play the ball at, then play it. All you do is aim in the general direction of the player and either tap A or hold A.
their is no denying that assist is easier then manual but you and others are making such a big fuss about assist players that any neutral will get the impression that they dont even need to direct the pass/shot on assist.

i just dont understand why u guys keep moaning about it as if you yourself are forced to play on assist. suck it up, play againts people who only play manual and respect people who play on assist and stop call them 14 year old kids with no inteligence of football

[Tim7]

Because we are forced to play people on assisted! Do you not bother reading other people's posts jonney?! We've been saying to you for ages that the only option searchable is all manual v all manual, which is extremely rare and you're never going to find, if they add the semi to the searches and let you search by each category, so you could say you wanted to find someone who had semi or manual shooting and semi or manual passing then it wouldn't be such a problem. But hardly any players are on FULLY manual for EVERY setting.

[jonneymendoza]

Because we are forced to play people on assisted! Do you not bother reading other people's posts jonney?! We've been saying to you for ages that the only option searchable is all manual v all manual, which is extremely rare and you're never going to find, if they add the semi to the searches and let you search by each category, so you could say you wanted to find someone who had semi or manual shooting and semi or manual passing then it wouldn't be such a problem. But hardly any players are on FULLY manual for EVERY setting.

But playing someone on assisted is more or less like playing againts someone who is a master an manual plus this is the first time anyone has said about the search options too given by what i have read in the last few pages of this.

you are not forced to play againts an assisted player. go play againts your mate cw or any other player here who uses manual or make a list of people who play on manual and stop the crying and moaning about it. not the assisted players fault that their is no option to define the control difficulties in this game. its ea's fault. moan at them and stop making it look as if assisted is a piss easy affair that requires no skill and that a newborn baby can beat u on assisted.

you guys love to over exaturate things:APPLAUD:

[gomito#10]

Skyl1ght, i understand perfecly your ideas...
but i think u must consider that some people like myself, want a diferent experience from the game...
like ive said here before, i want to see stats influencing my game as much as possible... thats SIM for me... if i want something thats all relied on my ability, i go out and play real football. thats why i love manager games so much, and why i loved PES so much too, i can make the same exact shoot with ronaldinho and hyypia for instance, but the outcome will be completely diferent becasue of their stats. and i think with manual or evan semi controls this diference is mostly evaned down, cause it all comes down to your skill, thats not what i play football games for.
bear in mind i dont play online for the same reasosn most here dont, i try to keep my game free from the manuuuu online twats. my multiplayer exeperience is 100% offline with my mates, its great...we feel like the old days playing PES.
i disagree completley, the lesser players faults come out even more in manual

[gomito#10]

But playing someone on assisted is more or less like playing againts someone who is a master an manual plus this is the first time anyone has said about the search options too given by what i have read in the last few pages of this.

you are not forced to play againts an assisted player. go play againts your mate cw or any other player here who uses manual or make a list of people who play on manual and stop the crying and moaning about it. not the assisted players fault that their is no option to define the control difficulties in this game. its ea's fault. moan at them and stop making it look as if assisted is a piss easy affair that requires no skill and that a newborn baby can beat u on assisted.

you guys love to over exaturate things:APPLAUD:
assisted is way to easy, it takes no skill to ping around the ball and sprint with your forwards.. none

[jonneymendoza]

how does manual make sprinting with your forwards any harder?

[WILDSTER180774]

i gotta say that playing 1v1 online is starting to get to me now due to the fact that most use fully assists. I play a mixture of semi and assist. Semi passing/shooting/crossing/thru pass....ass lob. Games are like pinball and i get beat by players with half the ability i have. Every one on one with my keeper ends up a goal etc. Just not fun. We really do need a semi search to be included. Or a max star rating.

[brunnoce]

i disagree completley, the lesser players faults come out even more in manual

what do u mean?
that u see more stats influencing more on manual than assisted?
cause this is just an oposite thinking
dunno if u understood what i meant, but what i want is my passes and shots to be determined more for my players atributes than my skill. i see no fun in pulling amazing passes or shoots with players that cant/wouldnt do that in real life, and with manual or semi, depending on your skill level u can definatly make amazing stuff evan with low rated players since the AI wont affect as much in your actions.

[Tim7]

assisted is way to easy, it takes no skill to ping around the ball and sprint with your forwards.. none

i gotta say that playing 1v1 online is starting to get to me now due to the fact that most use fully assists. I play a mixture of semi and assist. Semi passing/shooting/crossing/thru pass....ass lob. Games are like pinball and i get beat by players with half the ability i have. Every one on one with my keeper ends up a goal etc. Just not fun. We really do need a semi search to be included. Or a max star rating.
Welcome aboard guys :SAL:.

Jonney I used to play on assisted and it just takes the fucking piss with how easy it is. All it basically is, is a connect the dots puzzle :LOL:.

CB ---> CM ---> RM ---> CF ---> GOAL

:YAWN:

[DJ Doc45]

Welcome aboard guys :SAL:.

Jonney I used to play on assisted and it just takes the fucking piss with how easy it is. All it basically is, is a connect the dots puzzle :LOL:.

CB ---> CM ---> RM ---> CF ---> GOAL

:YAWN:
Time to try fully manual Passes then I reckon. Next question to put to you guys is Shooting. how do you find it? Also what setting do you use? I use Semi Assisted because I find Manual just too hard. I miss too many easy chances.

[brunnoce]

Welcome aboard guys :SAL:.

Jonney I used to play on assisted and it just takes the fucking piss with how easy it is. All it basically is, is a connect the dots puzzle :LOL:.

CB ---> CM ---> RM ---> CF ---> GOAL

:YAWN:

just out of curiosity, is there any diference between playing assisted and playing PES in your opinion, i mean, did u also had this simplist "CB ---> CM ---> RM ---> CF ---> GOAL" judgement of PES too?

[DJ Doc45]

just out of curiosity, is there any diference between playing assisted and playing PES in your opinion, i mean, did u also had this simplist "CB ---> CM ---> RM ---> CF ---> GOAL" judgement of PES too?I found tims explanation to be pretty close to how PES 2009 is played.... well how ive come to play it ;)

[BobbyBox]

I find Manual shooting too hard. I have mine on Semi and I think it is extremely realistic. I don't play too often and learning fully manual takes time.

Sometimes I have my passing on Manual sometimes on Semi.

The thing is Manual will always be alot harder than assisted. Because you have to concentrate alot more on what you are doing.

The fact is, Manual/Semi makes the chances on goal alot more harder and success rate of scoring or putting together nice moves less. Which I think makes it more like real life.

The fact is - We are not forced to play people on Assisted. But we are forced to play people on assisted or not play online. Because it doesn't have the option of choosing Semi/Manual opponent.

I can play people on my friends list - but then they are not on all the time I am on.

Most of the time I just want to load up and play someone online and now I can't because they don't have this option.

I am not saying anything about people using assisted - They can go off and enjoy themselves. But the options to people who don't want to play these people are extremely limited.

This should be rectified!!!

[YoungGun_UK]

to be fair I havnt played Online in a while now, Atleast you 360 gamers have CB's league :((

[Ogami]

You shouldn't be too hard on people using assisted. Some are playing FIFA every once in a while and they probably don't want to waste time learning how to use manual controls. I bet a lot of them don't even know there are different control settings. And don't forget kids play as well.

The only thing that annoys me are the ones that dominate the top 10,000 and use assisted controls. Assisted shootings give them too much of an advantage. That's why I don't feel guilty when using United, which is the team I support, not because they're (extremely) good in the game. If the opponent chooses a lesser team, then I pick Paris St-Germain.

I'm using manual/semi by the way.

[DJ Doc45]

I think ill use manual passes when I get home. Is anyone else having difficulty with Manual Crosses? e.g. it never seems to go exactly where you want it to and it ends up being a rubbish cross? Maybe im not directing the stick well enough.

[Placebo]

what do u mean?
that u see more stats influencing more on manual than assisted?
cause this is just an oposite thinking
dunno if u understood what i meant, but what i want is my passes and shots to be determined more for my players atributes than my skill.

I just played a Wigan match on assisted shooting, Mario Melchiot hit a 25 yard left footed drive that he nearly scored from in the top right corner if it hadn't been for a good save, if I'd been using semi/manual a left footed shot by him from distance would have gone high and wide 99% of the time, so it says to me that assisted isn't "using stats for a more sim experience".

[Nick Cave]

I just played a Wigan match on assisted shooting, Mario Melchiot hit a 25 yard left footed drive that he nearly scored from in the top right corner if it hadn't been for a good save, if I'd been using semi/manual a left footed shot by him from distance would have gone high and wide 99% of the time, so it says to me that assisted isn't "using stats for a more sim experience".

Placebo, The only problem with my manual shooting is the stats don't even come into play, corner flags do though... :LOL:

I don't think I've ever played on assisted shooting, gonna have a go tonight...

[Placebo]

Placebo, The only problem with my manual shooting is the stats don't even come into play, corner flags do though... :LOL:

I don't think I've ever played on assisted shooting, gonna have a go tonight...

Yeah manual shooting is for masochists I flit between semi/manual shooting but mostly semi, semi shooting is far and away the most balanced choice of gamer skill and player stats IMO.

[gomito#10]

what do u mean?
that u see more stats influencing more on manual than assisted?
cause this is just an oposite thinking
dunno if u understood what i meant, but what i want is my passes and shots to be determined more for my players atributes than my skill. i see no fun in pulling amazing passes or shoots with players that cant/wouldnt do that in real life, and with manual or semi, depending on your skill level u can definatly make amazing stuff evan with low rated players since the AI wont affect as much in your actions.

on assisted every player is the same.... see placebos post about the 25 yard cracker with melchiot. You cant pull off amazing shots in manual with players with shitty stats... stats still come into play somewhat, but the GAME OVERALL is lacking in this, even with assisted. However on assisted phil neville is kaka with his passing... i dont see how you dont get that... on assisted every player seems to be able to play any pass you want. Now in WE this wasnt the case.. I think WE did a better job of simming player attributes... In manual i think you will see that kaka is better at playing certain passes then neville

[gomito#10]

I just played a Wigan match on assisted shooting, Mario Melchiot hit a 25 yard left footed drive that he nearly scored from in the top right corner if it hadn't been for a good save, if I'd been using semi/manual a left footed shot by him from distance would have gone high and wide 99% of the time, so it says to me that assisted isn't "using stats for a more sim experience".

agree

[brunnoce]

I just played a Wigan match on assisted shooting, Mario Melchiot hit a 25 yard left footed drive that he nearly scored from in the top right corner if it hadn't been for a good save, if I'd been using semi/manual a left footed shot by him from distance would have gone high and wide 99% of the time, so it says to me that assisted isn't "using stats for a more sim experience".

but he didnt score right?
thats where im seeing a lot of diference..when i try long range shoots with non-shooting players usually i can hit the goal, but the keeper will save it 99% of the time, where when i give a go with shooters like gerrard or schweinsteiger i can beat them a lot more frequent, seems although the keepers are improved a lot from 08 and euro, they still are a bit super human, they can get to any long range shoots if that ball aint hit as a torpedo or right in the top corner...
there is evan a midle high animation where the keeper jumps/flies so fast that he actually saves the ball with his neck/chest, its really ugly when u see in the replay.
i just think the keepers still save a bit more than they should. i know that if this was toned down, withe the way assisted shooting works now we would have 8x8 games all of the time, but there are other ways to prevent this, such as making assisted shooting a bit less accurate or evan tuning the dificulty level up, so u dont get many clear chances in the macth.
now, u can cleary notice that the keepers still have this issue when u notice the amount of times the AI scores from long range(im talking about long range not just out of the box), i suer to god, ive only seen it once and it was in my first full macth agaisnt man.city, when i saw it i was really happy, but never happened again...the few times they try it my keeper makes easy or super saves...starts to get annoying really.

[brunnoce]

on assisted every player is the same.... see placebos post about the 25 yard cracker with melchiot. You cant pull off amazing shots in manual with players with shitty stats... stats still come into play somewhat, but the GAME OVERALL is lacking in this, even with assisted. However on assisted phil neville is kaka with his passing... i dont see how you dont get that... on assisted every player seems to be able to play any pass you want. Now in WE this wasnt the case.. I think WE did a better job of simming player attributes... In manual i think you will see that kaka is better at playing certain passes then neville

maybe im too used to assisted and u arent, but i definatly see a lot of diference in players, evan passing... i play mostly with everton, and i can pull of a lot better passes with arteta(his passes are faster and beter aimed it seems), and long range shots with yakubu(hes stats are way overrated in this aspect)

[Nick Cave]

but he didnt score right?
thats where im seeing a lot of diference..when i try long range shoots with non-shooting players usually i can hit the goal, but the keeper will save it 99% of the time, where when i give a go with shooters like gerrard or schweinsteiger i can beat them a lot more frequent, seems although the keepers are improved a lot from 08 and euro, they still are a bit super human, they can get to any long range shoots if that ball aint hit as a torpedo or right in the top corner...
there is evan a midle high animation where the keeper jumps/flies so fast that he actually saves the ball with his neck/chest, its really ugly when u see in the replay.
i just think the keepers still save a bit more than they should. i know that if this was toned down, withe the way assisted shooting works now we would have 8x8 games all of the time, but there are other ways to prevent this, such as making assisted shooting a bit less accurate or evan tuning the dificulty level up, so u dont get many clear chances in the macth.
now, u can cleary notice that the keepers still have this issue when u notice the amount of times the AI scores from long range(im talking about long range not just out of the box), i suer to god, ive only seen it once and it was in my first full macth agaisnt man.city, when i saw it i was really happy, but never happened again...the few times they try it my keeper makes easy or super saves...starts to get annoying really.

I hope they work on the Keeper too, the super saves do get annoying but I can't see how they can adjust it without then getting the score lines you mentioned...

[brunnoce]

I hope they work on the Keeper too, the super saves do get annoying but I can't see how they can adjust it without then getting the score lines you mentioned...

if u tone up the game dificult ull get a lot less goal chances no?
specially clear goal chances...thats the solution imo.

[k_19]

Well, I can safely say that I've gotten used to Manual passing now and I'll probably never go back. :) I've gone down to World Class again on almost full manual settings (except shooting, which I find way too erratic, not realistic at all and just limiting yourself in a silly way), and still winning consistently, though the games are much more challenging now and I have to be a lot more focused each time I have the ball. Several things I've noticed are:

- I use manual through pass a LOT. These seem to be more accurate than normal pass most of the time and it's better especially at an angle. Normal passing works well enough horizontally and vertically so that's when I use it, like another user suggested earlier.

- Because of increased margin of error, I now have to be a lot slower in building up attacks, which is enabling me to retain possession more and making the gameplay more realistic. I found this game too fast on slow settings in the first place anyway (when I was on semi passing), so this slows it down to the pace I like. This also makes me utilize the wings a lot more, whereas before I'd mainly attack through the center of the pitch, again making the gameplay a lot more realistic.

- It could just be me, but does playing manual also seem to effect defensive abilities somehow to any of you guys? I'm finding it harder to tackle and dispossess the ball from the AI now and it almost seems like the tackling is fully manual also. Of course I can still defend very well but now I feel that I have to be much more smarter about it. It could also be the fact that I am giving away the ball a lot more now, effectively giving them the ball in more dangerous areas...

- Another side effect seems to be that the number of fouls seems to have gone down. This probably has to do with the fact that I'm building up my attacks a lot slower, compared to before when I was probably building up attacks way too fast for the AI to keep up (resulting in them hacking me down a LOT). There's still enough fouls though, so it's alright.

Well, so count me in as another convert. I'll probably never go back to playing semi/assisted passing now.

[Nick Cave]

if u tone up the game dificult ull get a lot less goal chances no?
specially clear goal chances...thats the solution imo.
Yes that's the way to go for sure but it's the hardest part of every football Sim, I'd love to have it on a sliding scale if it was possible.
Unfortunately upping the AI level seems to go hand in hand with implementing annoying little AI 'aids' for want of a better term...

[k_19]

Yeah manual shooting is for masochists I flit between semi/manual shooting but mostly semi, semi shooting is far and away the most balanced choice of gamer skill and player stats IMO.


I find it very hard to justify why anyone should use manual shooting at all, it's as unrealistic as assisted IMO. Only reason anyone should use it to be as a way to make the game more difficult for oneself, and even then it is not worth the frustration. Semi shooting is perfect and is probably the best shooting system I've ever used in a footie game (except for the ridiculous amount of times you hit the post).

[Nick Cave]

K-19 manual passing is the way to go, come back when you have mastered manual shooting and give us all a master class or ten... :APPLAUD:
I agree with the woodwork, I hit about three a game on average...

[brunnoce]

i will admit that semi shooting would be the way to go for me if i had a 360...
it is necessary to use the analog for semi(and manual)
since i only play on the ps3 i cannot use the analog stick of the dualschock in a tense game like football...

this and the impression of many people here saying the 360 version is more polished and such keeps me wanting to get a 360 again :(

[k_19]

K-19 manual passing is the way to go, come back when you have mastered manual shooting and give us all a master class or ten... :APPLAUD:
I agree with the woodwork, I hit about three a game on average...

Haha, I'll probably never use manual shooting against the AI ever again, but if I ever play online again (without Xbox live gold membership ATM) then I wouldn't mind using it as part of full manual game in which case it'll be a fair match. Against the AI it's just way too frustrating to see them hit the target over and over again with ease whereas you have to labour through even a tap in. Not realistic at all. If EA keeps the semi shooting the way it is next year and tone down the number of times you hit the post (and maybe adjust it so that you score a long ranger just a tad more), then I'll be a very happy man.

As for the whole assisted passing debate, there is two points I want to bring up.

- Semi passing is as nearly as easy! And it at least gives the player some degree of mistake if you are not careful, so it's more fair that way. So why not use that instead of assisted?

- And my biggest gripe with assisted passing: HOW THE HECK DOES ANYONE FIND THAT KIND OF GAME SPEED ACCEPTABLE? Assisted passing makes every game go at a super speed, which results in pinball passing which I cannot stand speed wise. It's actually stressful for my eyes with the speed it's going at. In 08 it was acceptable to deal with since game speed was much slower, but with increased speed of 09 it's just plain unplayable IMO.


One final note random note... does anyone find overhead kicks a little TOO common with semi/manual crossing? I've already scored 6 overhead kicks in this game (check my latest one in the video thread :D ), which is more overhead kicks than I've had in my entire WE/PES career (and I've been playing every single one since WE3, folks). It looks absolutely wonderful and I still jump out of my seat when I score one, but it's honestly something you'll see once or twice amongst every team in the league during the whole season and I've had 3 already this season alone, with one team. I guess EA really focused on the flashiness with this one, that's my only explanation... (I scored 0 overheads with 08, actually...)

[tobi]

since i only play on the ps3 i cannot use the analog stick of the dualschock in a tense game like football...

It sounds like you find yourself accidentaly pressing the d pad when shooting, it happens to me too.

[brunnoce]

It sounds like you find yourself accidentaly pressing the d pad when shooting, it happens to me too.

that has happened yeh! :LOL:
but my biggest gripes are with the position of the analog(not meant to be the main controler) and with the sensitivty of it, i feel it has a lot less "directions" than the 360 one.

[DJ Doc45]

I likewise felt the same when I playtested the PS3 version....

[stuartyd]

I think ill use manual passes when I get home. Is anyone else having difficulty with Manual Crosses? e.g. it never seems to go exactly where you want it to and it ends up being a rubbish cross? Maybe im not directing the stick well enough.


Hey I played against a guy called DJDOCPSX on the ps3 a few weeks ago and he quit on me when I was winning. Was that you?

[Aboutreika18]

Hey I played against a guy called DJDOCPSX on the ps3 a few weeks ago and he quit on me when I was winning. Was that you?
:LOL:

[gomito#10]

Hey I played against a guy called DJDOCPSX on the ps3 a few weeks ago and he quit on me when I was winning. Was that you?

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHhHhH


BAN HIM! LOL

[DJ Doc45]

hahahaha! couldnt have been me mate, I havent had the PS3 version since 2 days after launch day ;)

[andish2001]

If all he cares about is gameplay then why is he moaning then as if MANUAL is not included in it. its their, he can use it!



Its not otthers fault or problem that most like playing assist plus like i said in the chatbox, if i mastered manual and can play as good as in assist, i would not care weather my opponent plays on assis as i can easily pass and shoot just like him so again where is the cheating and the so called advantage that an assist has?



Read my last paragrath



So your saying everyone who plays on assist are 14 year old kids? thats generelizing talk right their



Again am i and any assisted players stopping u from playing on manual? the answer is a big fat NO mate

All this talk about how easy it is on assist is over the top mate. You and Tim make it sound as if assisted players DONT need to use the dpad/stick AT all when playing. you guys think that shooting and passing will magicaly direct itself all the time LOL without no direction or aim.

i wish you or any MANUAL player can come to my house and show me how to pass the ball to whoever i want without the need to aim and to also show me how to score a goal by just pressing the shoot button with no aim also. i would like to learn that technique hehe;)

I honestly dont feel a need to respond to this. You're blatantly clutching at straws and STILL dont get what we're on about. Stop talking about the advantage this advantage that...if you can't see that assisted DOES give an unfair advantage, in allowing the player to ping pong it down the field with no errors, then I dont know how to make you see what I and many others mean. The advantage lies in the fact that on manual, passes need to be powered up, whereas on assisted a simple button tap will suffice. And No, I didnt say that everyone on assisted are 14 year old kids - if you read my post properly, you'll see that i said that the majority either are, or are mature gamers unaware that a manual option exists.

And yes, it does magically direct. If I am trying to pass to a player North-East of me (on the screen), and I hold North-West (and no-one is around - hes on the wing by himself), it will ping right at him on assisted. On manual, you'll kick it out of bounds and curse yourself for not aiming where you want the ball to go. Realistic. No argument.

[jonneymendoza]

I honestly dont feel a need to respond to this. You're blatantly clutching at straws and STILL dont get what we're on about. Stop talking about the advantage this advantage that...if you can't see that assisted DOES give an unfair advantage, in allowing the player to ping pong it down the field with no errors, then I dont know how to make you see what I and many others mean. The advantage lies in the fact that on manual, passes need to be powered up, whereas on assisted a simple button tap will suffice. And No, I didnt say that everyone on assisted are 14 year old kids - if you read my post properly, you'll see that i said that the majority either are, or are mature gamers unaware that a manual option exists.

And yes, it does magically direct. If I am trying to pass to a player North-East of me (on the screen), and I hold North-West (and no-one is around - hes on the wing by himself), it will ping right at him on assisted. On manual, you'll kick it out of bounds and curse yourself for not aiming where you want the ball to go. Realistic. No argument.
You still dont understand what im on about. if you have mastered manual and play it like u can on assist then their is no advantage as you can ping pong the bal just like an assisted player.

it doesnt magical direct a pass when for example your facing north and wanna pass the ball south!

Also, given by your example, say if you have a player north east and north west with you being inbetween the two players at north position, pressing X randomly pics one of the players to pass to and most of the time it DOESNT pic the right option. you still need to give it a little direction ie face one of the players at least before you pass the ball.

im not denying that manual is not ralistic, nore am i saying assist is harder then manual. all im saying is that assist requires some skill to be good at it and to pass and shoot properly. yes you can shoot on target most of the time and yes your passes will go to a player directly most of the time BUT your shot doesnt always beat the goalie and go in AND your passes doesnt magicaly go to the intended player with no direction all the time.

You sir dont understand what im on about. read this post carefuly mate and stop moaning on people using assist because their is NOTHING wrong with it and its not cheating :LOL:

advantage? only if you suck at Manual and still learning it ;)

[Skylight]

Skyl1ght, i understand perfecly your ideas...
but i think u must consider that some people like myself, want a diferent experience from the game...
like ive said here before, i want to see stats influencing my game as much as possible... thats SIM for me... if i want something thats all relied on my ability, i go out and play real football. thats why i love manager games so much, and why i loved PES so much too, i can make the same exact shoot with ronaldinho and hyypia for instance, but the outcome will be completely diferent becasue of their stats. and i think with manual or evan semi controls this diference is mostly evaned down, cause it all comes down to your skill, thats not what i play football games for.
bear in mind i dont play online for the same reasosn most here dont, i try to keep my game free from the manuuuu online twats. my multiplayer exeperience is 100% offline with my mates, its great...we feel like the old days playing PES.

I understand your arguments, and I also agree with you
for me stats should also have an important part in the game
it should feel different when playing differnt players
I am only not so sure, why this should count more for assisted than for manual

[Skylight]

You shouldn't be too hard on people using assisted. Some are playing FIFA every once in a while and they probably don't want to waste time learning how to use manual controls. I bet a lot of them don't even know there are different control settings. And don't forget kids play as well.

The only thing that annoys me are the ones that dominate the top 10,000 and use assisted controls. Assisted shootings give them too much of an advantage. That's why I don't feel guilty when using United, which is the team I support, not because they're (extremely) good in the game. If the opponent chooses a lesser team, then I pick Paris St-Germain.

I'm using manual/semi by the way.

you're right, assisted is also a way to play, and I accept that there are people that like it that way, especially those who you mentioned
BUT I think what we are all p.... of is the fact, that online is being pushed towards fully assisted because it gives you an advantage

I have an suggestion that might set up a lot people: in ranked games semi is the maximum assist you can use
think about it: if you like to go really serious into FIFA and playing ranked games, then it should be expected that you learn and know the controls
there is nothing wrong about people the play once in a while, kids,... using assisted controls, but those playing 1000+ matches should show their skill

[Skylight]

advantage? only if you suck at Manual and still learning it ;)

there is clearly an advantage
besides that you have make no errors, on assisted you just need to tip pass button, where on manual you have to hold it for a while when you need more power
as time is crucial when getting attacked it is often the case that your pass won't get to the receiver when on asssited it would have worked
same goes for through passes, crosses, shots,...
therefore it is an uneven match!!!

[jonneymendoza]

there is clearly an advantage
besides that you have make no errors, on assisted you just need to tip pass button, where on manual you have to hold it for a while when you need more power
as time is crucial when getting attacked it is often the case that your pass won't get to the receiver when on asssited it would have worked
same goes for through passes, crosses, shots,...
therefore it is an uneven match!!!
Again let me repeat what i have said before. MANUAL IS HARDER THEN ASSIST. i am NOT DENYING THAT!!

BUT as you quoted from me. people who have mastered manual can play as good if not better then assisted players especialy shooting!

why in shooting? because on assist it is pre programed for you. you cant place the shot exactly where you want it whilst in manual you have full control of it much like in racing games where manual drivers do tend to accelerate better as they can change gears when it suits them whilst in auto driving you dont have the priviledge to do so,

why cant you lot understand this simple thing? you go on as if assist is harder then manual. all im pointing out is that its not cheating and to some extent depending on the manual's skill, its not an advantage either.

You cannot go off and call people who use assisted settings has 14 year old kids, people who don't understand how to play football, people who dont know their is a manual setting and people who cheat when playing assist because thats out of line and thats the part i am arguing about. Manual players constantly bashing us assist players.

lay off the bitterness towards teh assisted players here and go have fun with your manual settings and leave us be.

[Tim7]

because on assist it is pre programed for you. you cant place the shot exactly where you want it
No, the CPU just places it in the top corner/bottom corner every shot and it's a goal :LOL:


you go on as if assist is harder then manual
No no, assist is waaaay easier than manual.

You cannot go off and call people who use assisted settings has 14 year old kids, people who don't understand how to play football, people who dont know their is a manual setting
I think you'll find we can :)).

[jonneymendoza]

haha u joka tim. anyways i wiill leave it has that, assist vs manual debate can go on forever really. i will try and practise manual again for a while and see if i can understand the fuss about it.

cheers and that will be the last i will debate on this matter for a while lol.

[DJ Doc45]

jonney mate seriously. If you cant see that Assisted Passes makes the game Easier and will give you an unfair advantage compared to someone who is using fully manual passes then I think you are playing the wrong game mate. Likewise with fully assisted shooting as Tim said the CPU does most of the hard work for you. I gave this a go last night with a mate of mine and it really highlights how scrappy and scruffy a game of football can be :) until you start getting used to it and play some nice passes that YOU actually controlled! :)

Not having a go mate but I thought I would give you my take on this.

[jonneymendoza]

im not denying that assist doesnt make things easier, it does. all im saying is that a person who has mastered manual doesnt gain much advantage imo againts an assisted player.

some manual players have over reacted though about assisted players though and really these manual players should be moaning about EA for putting assisted settings on ranked matches. Then again if they got rid of assisted in fifa10 i can guarantee you MORE people will be complaining then how it is now as most people play assist.

the only real solution to PLEASE everyone is to have both settings in the game unless you guys can come up with a better solution?

[DJ Doc45]

In terms of fulfillment Jonney a player who masters Manual Passing gets a fuller experience than someone who uses Assisted passing because of the fact the CPU does all the work for you on Assisted.

I still think Assisted should be in the game as not everyone is brilliant at football games.

[Vindaloo]

im not denying that assist doesnt make things easier, it does. all im saying is that a person who has mastered manual doesnt gain much advantage imo againts an assisted player.

It is true that a player who has mastered manual controls can aim successfully and pass it in the same directions as an assisted player can, but even the top manual players are at a disadvantage because of one main reason:-

Each time they make a pass they have to power up their pass and its takes a split second to execute. This slows down their game and gives the opponent time to get a tackle in, no matter how skillful they are at manual passing. An assisted player can ping it about the pitch without any delay.

I can't see how you could argue about the above point

[brunnoce]

No, the CPU just places it in the top corner/bottom corner every shot and it's a goal :LOL:


this aint the case m8..at least from MY experience.
it all comes down to player stats... if i shoot with rooney, van nistelrooy, torres, berbatov or yakubu(overrated as hell) YEH, they do get top corner and great finnishing most of the time, if not well properly pressed, but when i play with brazilian teams or try shooting with fellaini, hibbert, piennar, etc for instance its really really hard to hit the corners evan if theyr are free to balance them selves before cracking it, mostly they shot in places where the keeper saves 99%...and thats why i still say stats make a huge impact on assisted shooting whereas on semi and manual it comes down a lot more on your aiming/powering skill.

now , said that i wish those players with worst shooting/finnishing rating were shooting a lot more outside instead of in places where the gk aways saves(abit more like PES).

[andish2001]

It is true that a player who has mastered manual controls can aim successfully and pass it in the same directions as an assisted player can, but even the top manual players are at a disadvantage because of one main reason:-

Each time they make a pass they have to power up their pass and its takes a split second to execute. This slows down their game and gives the opponent time to get a tackle in, no matter how skillful they are at manual passing. An assisted player can ping it about the pitch without any delay.

I can't see how you could argue about the above point

Glad to see someone read my post. Jonney just glazed over :Y1

[jonneymendoza]

It is true that a player who has mastered manual controls can aim successfully and pass it in the same directions as an assisted player can, but even the top manual players are at a disadvantage because of one main reason:-

Each time they make a pass they have to power up their pass and its takes a split second to execute. This slows down their game and gives the opponent time to get a tackle in, no matter how skillful they are at manual passing. An assisted player can ping it about the pitch without any delay.

I can't see how you could argue about the above point


well said. now i see where it can possibly be an advantage over a manual player however its not the players fault that their playing assist in a ranked match, its EA's fault so blame them :)

thats the first actual reason where it is indeed an advantage over a manual player. the other reasons pointed out by others was not justified imo.

[DJ Doc45]

So who here a couple of months on is still loving FIFA 09? any comments you would like to make and any improvements you would like to see? jot them down and ill post them over at FIFA Soccer Blog.

[WILDSTER180774]

So who here a couple of months on is still loving FIFA 09? any comments you would like to make and any improvements you would like to see? jot them down and ill post them over at FIFA Soccer Blog.

i am still enjoying it. The patch has improved the game no end. But what i would like to see is;

1. improved match making as i get so frustrated when trying to find a game online. It can take more than 10 attempts to successfully find a game.

2. semi to be included in search criteria. Too many playing on full assists and its really cheesing me off.

3. a max star rating to be included in search criteria. If i play man utd one more time i will self harm.

4. the whole menu system to be easier to navigate. including the lobbys etc. I can get lost in there.

5. normal match view when in the arena.

6. fifa clubs to have a team creation feature where you can design your own strip and club badge and player models.

7. when in club dressing room, if there is a match going on when you enter it should make you aware instead of saying....awaiting players to enter.....so you dont sit there like a lemon wondering.

8. managers to be included in cut scenes like euro2008. Obviously as there are so many teams in the game it could just be included for the top teams. Wenger pointing at Fergie in disgust :)

9.10v10 be a pro countdown timer to be reduced. Can take ages til the match starts. And for it to be possible for the captains to boot those idiots who sit in the middle for ages and dont pick a side. How annoying is that?

10. For everybody who has paid for addidas live season and has had problems to get their mony back as i think that is scandalous.

there is my top ten. Most couls never be put in this years with a patch but i think some could.

[brunnoce]

i think i might be beating a dead horse but i would still like to see less gk "great" saves.

there are several ways to make this, but i think the main issue stil the GK AI..they still "foresee" too much(un-human) the shoots.

[tobi]

In addition to what you said about the menu system its an EA Sports thing in general, all their games have the same menus and its getting boring now and defiantly needs an overall.

- When I'm playing with manual cursor change I expect the cursor to change when I press the button, it pisses me of when the game refuses to allow me to change the cursor to the correct player for 2/3/4 seconds.

- Allow custom tactics to be renamed or have at least have a logo by the formation like in PES when you save a formation. It will make life easier.

- Redo the skill stick or rip off the R2 dribbling from PES, the skill stick isn't good in its current state.

- Scrap the Arena or give us a proper training mode, how are people supposed to practice corners, FK's, headers, passing moves etc with one player?

- When a game is loading and your in the arena with a player don't make that player a defender, in what way does it benefit players to go one on one with the keeper and be in control of Ledley King?

- There is no sense of achievement when a tournament has been won, the players jump up and down for a couple seconds and thats it, where are the trophy's?

I'll think of more later.

[WILDSTER180774]

some good points tobi

[DJ Doc45]

- When a game is loading and your in the arena with a player don't make that player a defender, in what way does it benefit players to go one on one with the keeper and be in control of Ledley King?

- There is no sense of achievement when a tournament has been won, the players jump up and down for a couple seconds and thats it, where are the trophy's?

I'll think of more later.These 2 in particular I whole heartedly agree on. 1st one yes what is the point of using a defender to take shots at the keeper? the only goals you are likely to score will be close range tap ins. Also likewise you win a tournament, players jump around and then you get a little newspaper article.... thats not good enough either they should do a proper trophy presentation for it.

[jflores]

In addition to what you said about the menu system its an EA Sports thing in general, all their games have the same menus and its getting boring now and defiantly needs an overall.

- When I'm playing with manual cursor change I expect the cursor to change when I press the button, it pisses me of when the game refuses to allow me to change the cursor to the correct player for 2/3/4 seconds.

- Scrap the Arena or give us a proper training mode, how are people supposed to practice corners, FK's, headers, passing moves etc with one player?

- There is no sense of achievement when a tournament has been won, the players jump up and down for a couple seconds and thats it, where are the trophy's?

I'll think of more later.


-Agreed with the above points. It erks me to not be able to switch players sometimes because of this "Lock" glitch.

-I also don't understand why we don't have a proper training mode. How the hell are we supposed to practice dribbles and other things if we don't have other players to try this things on. Oh wait...EA and other game developers are know to remove features to add them later. I say keep the arena mode and also give us a proper training mode.

- And I really don't understand why developers do this. You win a league or tourney and are left to see a short pathetic underwhelmed clip as a reward after all that you've achieved. Really sad. After winning an important competition, I want to see the players, coaches, staff, running around like crazy hugging each other and screaming at the fans, themselves and the camera. I want to see some players run around waving a flag or their own shirts in excitement. Heck, I even want to see random interviews of players, especially of the goal scorers. And lastly, make the trophy presentation like real it is in real life. All this things would really be a delight to behold after winning a League or Cup.

Take Note EA.

[drekkard]

My critical improvements:

- Make tackling more difficult, having to be more skilful to take the ball to your opponent. Bad timing should lead to fouls and a player comitting 3 or 4 fouls should get a yellow card for accumulation.

- Decrease the accuracy of passing in general. A lot. Make passing very difficult for players without the required skill. Make technique a more important factor in the game (that relates to some of the following points). I want those straight passes from defense to striker out of the game if possible. I talk about those 30 meters long low passes that go to the feet. Oh, and have the defenders really DO MARK the strikers in midfield. You can always pass to the DC and he will always receive the ball. That makes gameplay too fast and breaks the midfield of any team.

- Do the changes in speed (pressing R2, pressing L2, pressing nothing) a bit more noticeable. Make things really difficult to perform according to the speed, EVEN for talented players (even Messi will fail at top speed most of the times).

- Make trapping the ball a matter of skill, so if you flick the right stick in the bad time, you can loose the control or make a bad touch.

- When doing knock-ons with the right stick, let the player change direction without "inertia penalisation" if he moves in an order of 45 degrees or so. Right now, you can't knock the ball 45º and run without being penalised. That would also make some nice driblings possible. Imagine knocking the ball one side and run the other.... just an example.

- Have the abbility to organize your team in set pieces. It's absurd that a corner is either a shot on goal or a dangerous counter EVERY time.

- IMPORTANT: When creating a torunament or league, LET US CONTROL THE CPU TEAMS!!!! That was possible years ago in ps2 and it's easy to do. I create a torunament and register 4 human players. But if one of the human players has to play against the CPU, let us take control of the CPU!!! It's 3 years already waiting for this addition.

- All the above posters have said things I would also like to have in the game.

- Oh, and multiplayer online Manager Mode.

[stuartyd]

hahahaha! couldnt have been me mate, I havent had the PS3 version since 2 days after launch day ;)

I notice that your defence is "I haven't had the PS3 version since 2 days after launch day" and not "I have never quit on anyone when they were winning" mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting :D
Anyway I will believe you

[stuartyd]

I've put this in other threads but since your asking:

Pros from FIFA09:-

Custom Tactics
Need both players to agree to skip cutscenes/replays (love this)
Animations are awesome
Can see the crowd when playing (Tele - height down)
Collision System
Goalkeepers release ball quicker
Net Physics
Stadiums
Atmosphere
Faces (except eyes)
Ball Physics
Dipping volleys
Custom camera angles


Cons From FIFA09:-

Responsiveness (between button press and action happeneing)
Keepers dive dramatically when ball is trundling past them
Close control not as effective as 08
Through ball takes too long to charge up
Advantage rule flaws
Replay framerate
Replay angles (why always from below player?)
Those bloody "Lets FIFA09" signs next to goals (looks awful)
Super Cancel (player slows down when you pull out of run)
Weather issues (can't see rain, no weather in MM)
Players zombie eyes
Quick unranked match option (takes bout 5 mins to find in menu)
Player switching (can't switch to closest man quick enough)
Keepers still seem hesitant coming out when button pressed
Too many outside of the foot shots
Player movement doesn't seem free (still on rails)
MM mode issues
No replays of reason for booking after advantage has been played
First time shots (ball running toward oncoming player) should be far more powerful.
Tall defenders should not be marking posts at corners.
Half the team do the same stretching animation at the same time just before kick off.





Would like to see in FIFA10:-

Quick free kick
Real time cutscenes/celebrations/bookings etc
Longer replays
Highlights mode (ala Halo's Theater Mode)
Face Import (Tiger0 for all players (so I can put proper faces for generic faces or better faces for official faces - if possible)
Tall players automatically come up for corners
Choose whether to head the ball or volley it (it's fairly random just now)
Finesse button for outside of foot shots
Editing suite (PES)
Save replays to HD (EA Sportsworld sucks)
Quick select for set piece taker / lay off man
Set play creator
Correct fans celebrate goal (not just stand up and sit down)
If connection is lost during a game on live, say who disconnected/got cut off
The ability to save customs team line-ups and formations for online play.
Different net styles at different stadiums.
Be able to round the goalie.
The option to play online matches with specific settings (ie shooting semi and through balls manual etc) not just manual everything or assisted everything.
Create a celebration mode (I know some people hate the celebrations but i think they add something to the game)



Would love to see the cons sorted and the new ideas added

[jonneymendoza]

i would also like them to further expand the online club BAPs too ie 3d locker rooms integrated into Home where you can walk round a small room, discuss tactics via text or mic and also have some sort of whiteboard where the manager or captain can draw out tactics etc.

I would also like the ability to play unranked matches againts a specific BAP club(rival games),The ability to create your own player and their appearence and use that to help represent you in the BAP team.

Stats need to work from the get go for each member in the BAP club and to add new stat attributes such as number of goals scored and total minutes played in BAP

Also i would love to see the lobbies have some kind of seperate GUI that shows whats going on, on specific games being played inside that lobby ie score alerts and booking alerts much like the famous legendery mod on the first PES pc game that had online play.

[evacuate]

I would like to scrap the sprint button and have the speed controlled fully with the leaning of the left stick, optional of course. People who likes the old way should be able to play like that. I would just like to see a lot of added options to customize the game.

* Like I said, option to walk slowly to sprint with only the left stick.
* Option to set the fill up speed of the different actions (pass, through pass, shoot and so on)
* Option to play the BAPS in normal mode like now or customized mode where you can choose options like: Manager can sub you out. If the manager wants you to be captain you should be able to say no or say yes but not play as the coach (unrealistic)

There are so many things they can add options to. Just hide it away in advaced tabs and the casual gamers wont be scared. Casual gamers have no idea that you can change to manual controls for example, this is a great example of customization that they should continue on.

I would also like to see a totally new optional control scheme that tries to follow the controls in other EA games like nhl and skate (also probably madded) where they try to eliminate the constant button mashing and focus on the sticks and shoulder buttons. Then have actions that you don't do as often on the normal buttons. Again, optional control layout. They already got foot-action on the right stick and I believe they should try to get everything that has to do with the feet to the right stick. A challenge but could revolutionize the controls of football games just like NHL did. But not force them to people who prefer the old ones.

And to top it of I'll just repeat some classic ones like:
* AI must be able to do skill tricks, as of now the AI doesn't simulate the right stick
* Save replays
* A realistic BAPS
* More than one player from each team should be able to lock on to the ball. For example in BAPS if you''re in perfect position to shoot/head the ball but the game decides that another player in your team are the one that are locked on your actions becomes screaming SHOOT! or PASS ME! which is stupid and another reason for a new design for the controls. You should never be able to press a button and get an action that you didn't expect. That is bad design and the FIFA controls are full of them. Wanna do a standing tackle? oops you passed away the ball instead, wanna slide to the ball? sorry I, the game, decided that you were in control of the ball and you now crossed the ball into the stands.

Edit: Oh and the most common one in BAPS is when you tell your team mate to pass the ball, but he already did a split second earlier and you either didn't have time to cancel the action or you didn't know you pressed after he passed, which results in you passing away the ball when it gets to you. Should not be able to happen with a good set of controls.

[Disqo]

I am really miffed that we can not edit players to wear short sleeve shirts over long sleeve Under Armour tops, after all Rooney is wearing such a thing on the cover...boo EA just boo, LOL

[raffupperv12]

Surprised no one mentioned the ability to switch your teams home stadium in MM as an option for next year.

[Lami]

I can't dribble to save my life.. :CONFUSE:

[k_19]

I just wanted to give another tip to anyone who is attempting to move on to Manual passing...

At first, it is essential to turn your player switching to AT LEAST halfway up the bar. I figured out why I was having so much trouble getting used to manual before; it was because my player switching from semi setting was actually zero (all the way down). Playing manual passing with switching completely off is HELL. Even if you pass into space, the cursor won't be switching to your player in time for them to react to it properly... a way to get around this is to click L1 (player switch) as fast as you can after you pass, but this way, you'll get a lot of unintended 1-2 passing which is dangerous at times as it exposes space behind you. So, for your sanity's sake, if you are getting used to manual passing, pull player switching slider high. This will enable the pass receiver to react in time for you so you can actually move towards the ball. Now I'm able to pass as efficiently as I did in semi setting with player switching higher, and can't believe the difference this has made.

[tc811]

Definitely agree with the tele cam in the arena mode; how are we supposed to get better at the dribbling skills if we can only do them with the camera directly behind the player?

[DJ Doc45]

Definitely agree with the tele cam in the arena mode; how are we supposed to get better at the dribbling skills if we can only do them with the camera directly behind the player?I remember saying in the review id like the Tele Cam back for the Arena mode, it was in FIFA 06 RTFWC on the 360 back in the day.

Ok when I get chance later ill look at some of these suggestions and post them over at FSB to see what people think :)

[Nick Cave]

Surprised no one mentioned the ability to switch your teams home stadium in MM as an option for next year.

:TU: You should be able to alter any teams Home ground if you want to...

[Nick Cave]

I just hope they stick to their promise of a big overhall of the MM and off field stuff, how has FIFA manager sold I wonder?

[DJ Doc45]

I just hope they stick to their promise of a big overhall of the MM and off field stuff, how has FIFA manager sold I wonder?To be honest ive always wished they bin FIFA Manager games and actually integrate the depth of it into FIFA (Insert version number here's) Manager Mode....:RANT: They wont though due to losing out on money from sales of FIFA Manager.

[Professor Nutmeg]

There are still a good few things they can fix/add in the meantime, which would make the game better.

[brunnoce]

ok, tell me im getting crazy here, but any of u noticed that after the pacth the gks got better? i just cant score from outside the box anylonger....

maybe im just in a just a slump though....
:(

[gomito#10]

I can't dribble to save my life.. :CONFUSE:

%95 of footballers cant either

[DJ Doc45]

ok, tell me im getting crazy here, but any of u noticed that after the pacth the gks got better? i just cant score from outside the box anylonger....

maybe im just in a just a slump though....
:(I havent noticed that Brunnoce. Maybe you should give the game a rest and come back to it again?

[brunnoce]

I havent noticed that Brunnoce. Maybe you should give the game a rest and come back to it again?


i c...
well i really dont know than..maybe its just a slump.
im glad people r not noticing this becasue it would be a real bugger to have gk juiced.

[Dusse]

i c...
well i really dont know than..maybe its just a slump.
im glad people r not noticing this becasue it would be a real bugger to have gk juiced.

I've scored more goals from distance lately (manual of course), so if I haven't become the master of long shots the keepers haven't gotten any better.:)

[DJ Doc45]

Ive had the odd cracker from Distance, it is good that they dont happen too often or else it would ruin the game for me.

[brunnoce]

i agree..they shouldnt happen to often...


anyway!
im pulling the plug, getting a 360 again :)
so ill finnaly start playing fifa09 the way its supossed to be, casue i just cant use the analog with the PS3 controler(semi/manual controls here i come)

btw, before anyone wonders and have a go at me :LOL: , im not getting the 360 just for this...i miss Live plus gow2 and some other stuff is the cause...and most importantly cause i have some extra $ and ill finally be able to afford both consoles.

[DJ Doc45]

:) cool brunnoce, your making the right choice mate.

[k_19]

Just had a very funny moment... in a big match against Liverpool in my MM (started a new one since my players grew way too much over 4 years), Ronaldo sent in a cross that was behind Rooney which he nailed for an overhead kick top corner. But the funniest thing was that Liverpool responded almost right away, sending in a cross which Torres nailed for an overhead kick, AGAIN!! This is becoming almost Captain Tsubasa-esque, people doing spectacular overhead kicks every other game, and is actually making me less appreciative of it (I didn't even save this one since I already have like 3 other overhead kicks saved). Maybe it has to do with the way I cross, I dunno... and it's been happening a lot more once I moved on to manual passing and cross.

Am I only one experiencing this?

[Erik]

So who here a couple of months on is still loving FIFA 09? any comments you would like to make and any improvements you would like to see? jot them down and ill post them over at FIFA Soccer Blog.

Bored as hell... I played '08 for a solid 10 months.

[brunnoce]

i got fifa09 on my new 360 yesterday...
i can confirm now everything that was said in here about the diferences agasint the ps3 version...(sharpen gfx, smoorther cut scnes, worst net movment, etc..)

but thing is, i went on live to download the comentary packs, and i just cant find it...now i heard that they took it out!? anyidea why they would do that?

[Nick Cave]

Just had a very funny moment... in a big match against Liverpool in my MM (started a new one since my players grew way too much over 4 years), Ronaldo sent in a cross that was behind Rooney which he nailed for an overhead kick top corner. But the funniest thing was that Liverpool responded almost right away, sending in a cross which Torres nailed for an overhead kick, AGAIN!! This is becoming almost Captain Tsubasa-esque, people doing spectacular overhead kicks every other game, and is actually making me less appreciative of it (I didn't even save this one since I already have like 3 other overhead kicks saved). Maybe it has to do with the way I cross, I dunno... and it's been happening a lot more once I moved on to manual passing and cross.

Am I only one experiencing this?
I do see a lot of overhead kicks though I don't score many, started a new 2 V AI and taken auto improvement off, and will not use hardly any of the points this time. EA need to adjust it for 10...

[danhammer]

still sometimes the slowdown really gets to me, like trying to turn with the ball.......fucking does my head in

[riboflavin]

I do see a lot of overhead kicks though I don't score many, started a new 2 V AI and taken auto improvement off, and will not use hardly any of the points this time. EA need to adjust it for 10...

Yes, I believe there are more overhead kicks now. I just got scored on from one at the top of the 18, before the update, never seen one that far out.

[Dusse]

Is it not possible to play ex 3 vs the computer in ex Team BAP-mode online?

[wan_d7]

Just had a very funny moment... in a big match against Liverpool in my MM (started a new one since my players grew way too much over 4 years), Ronaldo sent in a cross that was behind Rooney which he nailed for an overhead kick top corner. But the funniest thing was that Liverpool responded almost right away, sending in a cross which Torres nailed for an overhead kick, AGAIN!! This is becoming almost Captain Tsubasa-esque, people doing spectacular overhead kicks every other game, and is actually making me less appreciative of it (I didn't even save this one since I already have like 3 other overhead kicks saved). Maybe it has to do with the way I cross, I dunno... and it's been happening a lot more once I moved on to manual passing and cross.

Am I only one experiencing this?

well,this happen to me just now. me against MU. tevez do the overhead twice. but the funny is,one of the goal come without Tevez even looking at it. He stumbled in front of the goal with him facing the opponent goal and Rooney at his back head the ball in front,and Tevez,without even looking suddenly turn and do the overhead. yeah nice.that's very realistic. i'm appreciate this EA. thanks.

[SPMC]

too bad they don't have the japanese commentary for dl..

YouTube - FIFA 09(PS3) - Full BaP Match (Guest2) - 1stHalf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAH9IGfpCfQ&NR=1)

i actually like it.

[vondave]

this game is properly brilliant on manual.

so much so i was out on the piss last night with my girlfriend, and whilst i sometimes make her watch a replay of a great goal, we were at the bar last night and she seemed generally interested in me telling her about my Leo Messi back post header into the roof of the net from an acute angle, whilst she was doing her hair prior to going out

I love this game

[Aboutreika18]

this game is properly brilliant on manual.

so much so i was out on the piss last night with my girlfriend, and whilst i sometimes make her watch a replay of a great goal, we were at the bar last night and she seemed generally interested in me telling her about my Leo Messi back post header into the roof of the net from an acute angle, whilst she was doing her hair prior to going out

I love this game
:BLINK:

[Nick Cave]

this game is properly brilliant on manual.

so much so i was out on the piss last night with my girlfriend, and whilst i sometimes make her watch a replay of a great goal, we were at the bar last night and she seemed generally interested in me telling her about my Leo Messi back post header into the roof of the net from an acute angle, whilst she was doing her hair prior to going out

I love this game
Man, if I did that my other half would probably glass me... :BLINK:

[Onetimer]

I think I'm buying PS3 or 360 pretty soon. Which of them has better FIFA 09? I don't care about the graphics but is there any difference in gameplay? I think I read somewhere that it's easier to do the tricks with the right stick on PS3. Can anyone confirm that?

[Nick Cave]

I think I'm buying PS3 or 360 pretty soon. Which of them has better FIFA 09? I don't care about the graphics but is there any difference in gameplay? I think I read somewhere that it's easier to do the tricks with the right stick on PS3. Can anyone confirm that?

Personally I find the PS3 pad easier to handle than the 360 for PES and FIFA...

[andish2001]

but the 360 version is apparently better in every department

[YoungGun_UK]

Their both identical.

[k_19]

I got both systems, but I have my FIFA on 360 as it came out when I only had my 360. I've played both versions however, and they are pretty much the same gameplay wise after the patch (before the patch, there were some gameplay related problems with the PS3 version like the crabwalk).

[Placebo]

Personally I find the PS3 pad easier to handle than the 360 for PES and FIFA...

Fifa is far better when played with the analogue sticks which excludes the PS3 controller and thus putting the 360 version ahead, based on anecdotal evidence at least :)

[Nick Cave]

Fifa is far better when played with the analogue sticks which excludes the PS3 controller and thus putting the 360 version ahead, based on anecdotal evidence at least :)
I know the sticks are better Placebo I just find the pad easier to use than the 360, at the moment I and my mate are eating PS3 pads, the build is poor...

[cfdh_edmundo]

Did anyone here get the Townsend / Tyldsley commentary add-on pack? Is it any good ??

[Chris Davies]

It's the Euro 2008/FIFA 08 on last-gen console commentary remixed - there's a few weird sayings like "welcome to this international game" (when it's a club match), but it makes a change IMO. I like it.

I just hope that they release the Japanese commentary at some point, SHOOTO!

[cfdh_edmundo]

Shooopah save-u!!, Hai-ai--haaaai ai!!, piu-piu-piu Goal - Golden golden goal!

Ah, I do miss the buzzy WE6FE commentary from ol'Kabira I don't think there has every been commentary like it in any sports game, before or since.

[brunnoce]

Fifa is far better when played with the analogue sticks which excludes the PS3 controller and thus putting the 360 version ahead, based on anecdotal evidence at least :)

i co-sign this...
with the ps3 i could only play usng the d-pad, meaning everything had to be assisted...
now on the 360 i can play analog and manual! :)

not to mention there is a very noticable gfx diference imo, 360 looks a lot more polished...

[Machines]

A vote for the PS3 version here. I loathe the 360 controller.

[Placebo]

i co-sign this...
with the ps3 i could only play usng the d-pad, meaning everything had to be assisted...
now on the 360 i can play analog and manual! :)

not to mention there is a very noticable gfx diference imo, 360 looks a lot more polished...

Yeah the anecdotal evidence I reference was from you ;)

[Onetimer]

So in short: The PS3 controller sucks? Or at least the analog sticks suck. Well I already have a 360 controller for PC so I think I have a pretty good idea what I'm going to do... I'm gettin GTA IV for PC! ;)

[liger05]

I feel good.I just played someone with Marseille against someone who was Roma. He had Kaka, Ronaldo, Ibrahimović, Evra, and Rio Ferdinand in his team. He went 1-0 up but I equalised. I missed a great chance in the last minute to win it but he quit at FT. His dream team couldnt beat my Marseille team and I know he must of been pissed. lol

I played one game online last week on manual and even though my passing was ok the shooting was way off. I was hitting the corner flags from short and long distance and every cross went out for a Goal Kick. Its hard!!!!

[BillyBoy]

I found this review of FIFA 09 highly informative:

YouTube - FIFA 09 Review Parody (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMyMZ6QCxQ&feature=channel)

[Chris Davies]

This is why webcams and microphones should require license tests.

[paddyknight]

i'm so upset i clicked on that.

[Placebo]

Anyone support a League 1 team? I'm being assigned 12 league 1 teams to do the January update data for (as well as SWFC and SUFC), so far I'm only asking for Tranmere specifically, so if there's anyone who supports a League 1 team and wants a hand in the data for their own team let me know and I'll see what I can do :)

[gurjisfit]

I remember saying in the review id like the Tele Cam back for the Arena mode, it was in FIFA 06 RTFWC on the 360 back in the day.

Ok when I get chance later ill look at some of these suggestions and post them over at FSB to see what people think :)


I've got 3 main suggestions:

1. Increase in movement directions- even to 16 would make a big difference for those who play on manual, but imagine 64?!

2. Make the dribbling movements more defined - i'm not talking pes style right-angle turns - but more that every movement of left stick should correspond more directly to a player movement so that dribbling is more pinpoint - most players can move the ball quicker in real life between feet/directions than they can in FIFA.

3. MY BIGGEST ONE - AI. the ai in FIFA is more efficient than in PES i.e. defeneders stay in place, and in midfield players generally make good angles for you to pass to them. BUT, where pes is still some distance ahead is the dynamic moevment of the AI in the attacking third. Put simply, in FIFA most AI runs are left to right as we look at the pitch which means that too many attacks involve a final straight throughball (when not crossing) and then in on goal. See for example wepeelers posts on fifasoccerblog - every goal is a direct, frontal attack on goal.

So if FIFA can advance its AI to the extent that there is more lateral moveemnt of players in attack, then it's on its way to being the definitive football title because this is the only area where it currently lags behind PES.

[tobi]

Playing as a DM in FIFA Clubs is a lot of fun.

:)

[Ozkar]

Does anyone know why they have removed the commentary pack from the marketplace?

[k_19]

This game is so beautiful once you have mastered manual passing and custom tactics; recently I created a custom World Cup, using Korea Republic as my team and putting Norway, Argentina, and Ecuador in my group (On World Class, Semi shooting but manual all else). My first game was against Argentina, and I went into the game with a very defensive mindset (as any lower team would do against Argentina) and adjusted my custom tactics accordingly, and went in with a very defensive 4-5-1 with 2 DM's, mentality on full defense. I stopped them for about 50 minutes using this tactic, bringing down my DM's to the box to clog up the midfield and the box as much as I can. This frustrated Argentina enough down the middle for them to elect to go to the wings and cross instead (not typically their forte). Because of this tactic I barely attacked, and had only one shot on goal in the first half. But in about the 60th minute, I finally conceded a header to Aguero, going down 1.

Wanting to come back but still wanting to be careful (since it's a group stage goal differential mattered), I switched to a 4-2-3-1 with medium mentality, with pressure notched up to about 60. I started to press them hard in the midfield, and around the 78th minute, I dispossessed them from the wings, put a cross in which Park Chu Young (of AS Monaco) headed in. 1-1! I was overjoyed, and was satisfied with the tie, so I converted to a 5-4-1 with counter attacking on, full defense mentality. Then around 85th minute, with Argentina attacking fully, I put a lobbed through ball to Park Ji Sung, opening him up for a 1-on-1 which he finished! 2-1!! Argentina got desperate, putting 3 forwards up front, and I kept counter attacking, even drawing a red card out of Heinze on a breakaway I had in the extra time. Game finished 2-1 for me, and I could honestly say that I've never felt a more deserved for a win ever in a sport video game ever. I had pulled off an epic upset, on World class on nearly full manual. Final stats were very realistic: 6 shots with 4 on target for me, 11 shots and 6 on target for Argentina; 46% possession for me and 54% for Argentina; 68% passing completion for me and 84% for Argentina.

I just had to post this (even though this is not the MM thread, well technically it wasn't MM but a tourney) because I've never felt a win feel as epic as this. Greatest thing with manual is that it forces the teams to play realistic ball; if you use a lesser team, you must play like one and adjust your tactics accordingly, not like in WE/PES where you can beat Brazil with China 5-0 on Top Player if you master the game enough. And most of all, when you win on manual, you appreciate your wins a lot more!

[brunnoce]

Does anyone know why they have removed the commentary pack from the marketplace?

i want to know the same thing...
i just bought the 360 version of the game and i want the brazilian comentary :(

[YoungGun_UK]

No matter how good you get with Semi/Manual, on offline multiplayer with an opponent on Assisted you simply look shite! :((

[BwA Spectre]

Major gripe! No trophy celebration:R1 For a company that is known for presntation, how can this not be in? You even select a trophy for the comp but never see it afftaer you win! Why? It's so easy to render celebrations. Sloppy

[BwA Spectre]

Skyl1ght, i understand perfecly your ideas...
but i think u must consider that some people like myself, want a diferent experience from the game...
like ive said here before, i want to see stats influencing my game as much as possible... thats SIM for me... if i want something thats all relied on my ability, i go out and play real football. thats why i love manager games so much, and why i loved PES so much too, i can make the same exact shoot with ronaldinho and hyypia for instance, but the outcome will be completely diferent becasue of their stats. and i think with manual or evan semi controls this diference is mostly evaned down, cause it all comes down to your skill, thats not what i play football games for.
bear in mind i dont play online for the same reasosn most here dont, i try to keep my game free from the manuuuu online twats. my multiplayer exeperience is 100% offline with my mates, its great...we feel like the old days playing PES.

1 0n 1 offline is where this games goes from good to brilliant. Bruno, good point bout assists on. Im gonna set it to assist to see the difference.

[SPMC]

Major gripe! No trophy celebration:R1 For a company that is known for presntation, how can this not be in? You even select a trophy for the comp but never see it afftaer you win! Why? It's so easy to render celebrations. Sloppy

yeah! it would've helped MM a lil' bit. experiencing this in two consecutive versions suck.
EA could've at least lifted it straight from Euro2008.

[WILDSTER180774]

This game is so beautiful once you have mastered manual passing and custom tactics; recently I created a custom World Cup, using Korea Republic as my team and putting Norway, Argentina, and Ecuador in my group (On World Class, Semi shooting but manual all else). My first game was against Argentina, and I went into the game with a very defensive mindset (as any lower team would do against Argentina) and adjusted my custom tactics accordingly, and went in with a very defensive 4-5-1 with 2 DM's, mentality on full defense. I stopped them for about 50 minutes using this tactic, bringing down my DM's to the box to clog up the midfield and the box as much as I can. This frustrated Argentina enough down the middle for them to elect to go to the wings and cross instead (not typically their forte). Because of this tactic I barely attacked, and had only one shot on goal in the first half. But in about the 60th minute, I finally conceded a header to Aguero, going down 1.

Wanting to come back but still wanting to be careful (since it's a group stage goal differential mattered), I switched to a 4-2-3-1 with medium mentality, with pressure notched up to about 60. I started to press them hard in the midfield, and around the 78th minute, I dispossessed them from the wings, put a cross in which Park Chu Young (of AS Monaco) headed in. 1-1! I was overjoyed, and was satisfied with the tie, so I converted to a 5-4-1 with counter attacking on, full defense mentality. Then around 85th minute, with Argentina attacking fully, I put a lobbed through ball to Park Ji Sung, opening him up for a 1-on-1 which he finished! 2-1!! Argentina got desperate, putting 3 forwards up front, and I kept counter attacking, even drawing a red card out of Heinze on a breakaway I had in the extra time. Game finished 2-1 for me, and I could honestly say that I've never felt a more deserved for a win ever in a sport video game ever. I had pulled off an epic upset, on World class on nearly full manual. Final stats were very realistic: 6 shots with 4 on target for me, 11 shots and 6 on target for Argentina; 46% possession for me and 54% for Argentina; 68% passing completion for me and 84% for Argentina.

I just had to post this (even though this is not the MM thread, well technically it wasn't MM but a tourney) because I've never felt a win feel as epic as this. Greatest thing with manual is that it forces the teams to play realistic ball; if you use a lesser team, you must play like one and adjust your tactics accordingly, not like in WE/PES where you can beat Brazil with China 5-0 on Top Player if you master the game enough. And most of all, when you win on manual, you appreciate your wins a lot more!

Great post....this is why this game is so hard to put down. Its that "just one more game" factor. The hope that the next game will produce a moment of magic, or just leave you with that warm glow inside.

Maybe for January update Ea can include a trophy celebration.

[WILDSTER180774]

Playing as a DM in FIFA Clubs is a lot of fun.

:)

I like playing on the flanks. It can become very over crowded in the middle sometimes. Enjoying our games Tobi. Its a shame that most teams we play against (randoms) normally only have 3 players. I think it puts us at a dis-advantage.

[tobi]

To a certain extent we can be at a disadvantage but at the same time if none of the 3 players are ANY then that automatically puts them at a disadvantage so it evens itself out.

[WILDSTER180774]

will u be on tonight tobi? I wasnt on last night as i was playing Little Big Planet. The hours go fast when your creating a level.

[tobi]

I'll be on after the football, I'll ask if anyone else will be on.

[WILDSTER180774]

yeah i should be on although back to work tomoorow so ill doubt ill be on too late......who am i kidding.

[brunnoce]

1 0n 1 offline is where this games goes from good to brilliant. Bruno, good point bout assists on. Im gonna set it to assist to see the difference.

m8 im back at live.. add me so we can play some games ;)
cheers

[Damo7]

Major gripe! No trophy celebration:R1 For a company that is known for presntation, how can this not be in? You even select a trophy for the comp but never see it afftaer you win! Why? It's so easy to render celebrations. Sloppy

Totally agree about this. I was very shocked when I finally won a competition to find no celebration. It puts the icing on the cake. Sort it out EA as for the first time ever you have a good football game. :R1

[brunnoce]

what level do u guys think is the best to play offline multiplayer?
i mean since the gk ability is affected by it.

[Nick Cave]

what level do u guys think is the best to play offline multiplayer?
i mean since the gk ability is affected by it.
I play a 2 player V AI MM, on Pro in the lower leagues it's the most fun I've had on 09...

[Chris Davies]

I play a 2 player V AI MM, on Pro in the lower leagues it's the most fun I've had on 09...
Ditto except that we're playing in the Premier League, down in League 1/2 you only get to see 1/2 stadia all season... Gives you a headache.

[Nick Cave]

I prefer the football in the lower leagues TBH, but the lack of grounds is a pain. I really hope they overhaul the whole thing for 10, but given FIFA Manager I doubt they will...

[Placebo]

So for the January squad update I'm now in charge of:

Carlisle United
Crewe Alexandra
Hartlepool United
Hereford
Huddersfield Town
Leeds United
Leicester City
Oldham Athletic
Sheffield United
Sheffield Wednesday
Stockport County
Tranmere Rovers
Walsall

If anyone supports those teams and would like to offer suggestions of where I can improve appearances/stats please get in touch, likewise if you have friends who support any of those teams and also play Fifa please let them know I'm interested in their input as I hope to make the teams as accurate as possible :)

[Nick Cave]

Placebo any noise on changes for next year or another update etc? Also do you know the best place to find game sales figures I would like to know ho Fifa Manager sold...

[Placebo]

Placebo any noise on changes for next year or another update etc?

Nope no new news beyond that we heard before about the promised improved manager mode for 10. Also no news on another update, obviously there's still a long list of bugs left in 09 so I personally hope they do another update, to be honest I wouldn't hold your breath though :(


Also do you know the best place to find game sales figures I would like to know ho Fifa Manager sold...

No idea sorry, can be hard to track down sales figures, I can tell you that from experience with Flashpoint/ArmA, the publishers like to keep it very close to their chest especially because royalties are involved ;)

[Nick Cave]

No idea sorry, can be hard to track down sales figures, I can tell you that from experience with Flashpoint/ArmA, the publishers like to keep it very close to their chest especially because royalties are involved ;)
Yeah, I thought as much, I'd like to see a much bigger MM next year but with FIFA Manager it's unlikely, an option to play your FM games with FIFA would be an idea though... :THINK:

[brunnoce]

great news guys, seems in january were getting the winter update and a new PACTH!!
check it out:
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/368692-official-fifa-09-lets-add-january-update-thread.html

[YoungGun_UK]

Just looks like a suggestion thread, nothing confirming another patch?

[Chris Davies]

Yep, just because it says "official" doesn't mean it actually is, that's been a fad on forums for a while now.

Technically this thread is the "official" FIFA thread. Meaning absolutely fuck all.

[brunnoce]

oh ok...i was searching for some oficial confirmation too, but didnt find...
this was just something some guy brought up in a brazilian fifa forum.

nevermind than ;)

[Nick Cave]

I would put the chances of another patch before FIFA 10 at zip...

[wan_d7]

now only i feel what you guys feel when playing online with assist people. it shaittt!! they just press pass pass pass,and ronaldo sprint and shoot. GOAL! and they so proud of it..WTF. they play this game like playing pes..and that's shaiit

[Nick Cave]

I played a few games online 1 on 1's the other night... Meh it's not for me...

[YoungGun_UK]

PS3 needs a league, thats the reason the 360 lot arent complaining :((

[Damo7]

PS3 needs a league, thats the reason the 360 lot arent complaining :((

There is a league that is starting here:

http://www.fifaladder.com

Sign up :)

[YoungGun_UK]

Signed up before but the PS3 section doest have any players in its section :SS

[Kallinn]

dos it not cost to play on fifa ladder?

[Placebo]

Only if you slip off.

[pepper63]

I want bad weather conditions,muddy kits and correct international teams in a patch please Santa. Also merry christmas to all except for jaygrim because he's an old twat.::BLEH::)

[k_19]

For all you manual players, have any of you noticed how using L1/LB when you pass seems to "lock on" better to the player you are aiming for? I feel that I'm always passing more accurately using L1+pass than just using pass button for some reason. I know L1 when using pass is the 1-2 pass and run button, but it seems to lock on to the player in that general direction just like how L1+cross usually does (early cross). As long as you get the power right, these passes seem to be almost perfect most of the time. The downside to this is that it is a 1-2 button, so if you fail to complete the pass you will be screwed defensively since the player you passed it with would already be making the run forward and be out of position defensively (DO NOT do this with defenders often!). So you still cannot use this recklessly, which is actually good since otherwise it would make things too easy. And you still have to manage the power bar correctly or you'll still miss.

But for anyone just getting into manual passing and is struggling with aiming the passes, try this method, you'll get more passes completed and get more attacks going forward; just don't abuse it or you will pay for it!

[Nick Cave]

Enjoying this so much more playing with lower league teams in my current MM...

[wan_d7]

Enjoying this so much more playing with lower league teams in my current MM...

yup...i just start a new campaign with coca cola league 2 with Darlington. Better than playing in the premier league

[BwA Spectre]

m8 im back at live.. add me so we can play some games ;)
cheers

360? If so, cool. I am terrible though but like to play.

[BwA Spectre]

Totally agree about this. I was very shocked when I finally won a competition to find no celebration. It puts the icing on the cake. Sort it out EA as for the first time ever you have a good football game. :R1

Yes, Fifa has always been about "authenticity" and making you feel like youre watching a real game yet there is no trophy presentation!! I was so dissapointed! UEFA had it. IMO, not having a trophy presentation kills the tourny, season. It's like working at a job and not seeing the paycheck. :R1 Who can we contact at EA about this? Im serious.

[andish2001]

For all you manual players, have any of you noticed how using L1/LB when you pass seems to "lock on" better to the player you are aiming for? I feel that I'm always passing more accurately using L1+pass than just using pass button for some reason. I know L1 when using pass is the 1-2 pass and run button, but it seems to lock on to the player in that general direction just like how L1+cross usually does (early cross). As long as you get the power right, these passes seem to be almost perfect most of the time. The downside to this is that it is a 1-2 button, so if you fail to complete the pass you will be screwed defensively since the player you passed it with would already be making the run forward and be out of position defensively (DO NOT do this with defenders often!). So you still cannot use this recklessly, which is actually good since otherwise it would make things too easy. And you still have to manage the power bar correctly or you'll still miss.

But for anyone just getting into manual passing and is struggling with aiming the passes, try this method, you'll get more passes completed and get more attacks going forward; just don't abuse it or you will pay for it!

I agree with you there mate but its because normal passing is limited to 16 (i think) directions. Holding the 1-2 pass seems to unlock to 360degree passing (or at least 32 or 64) that was the normal passing in fifa 08. Very odd that its this way.

[tbogunro]

Could u all hear me out real quick. Fifa 09 is a very good game but I only score on 1v1. I just wish there was more variety, I thought making my wing backs come up more will provide different types of goals but it doesn't help. I just need my mid's to be more involved, could some of u fifa veterans ur boy?

[Nick Cave]

Could u all hear me out real quick. Fifa 09 is a very good game but I only score on 1v1. I just wish there was more variety, I thought making my wing backs come up more will provide different types of goals but it doesn't help. I just need my mid's to be more involved, could some of u fifa veterans ur boy?

Try messing with the quick tactics, it worked wonders for me also use your balance bar...

[YoungGun_UK]

Scoring goals is down to your own creativity to be honest. The game lets you score in anyway possible the rest is up to you from what I've seen.

[Placebo]

Scoring goals is down to your own creativity to be honest. The game lets you score in anyway possible the rest is up to you from what I've seen.

Yep exactly, you can score the same goal over and over if you like (a la PES' infamous cut back goals). For me it's probably something like 40% clean through's, 40% cross then header and 20% others, I can live with that :)

[Nick Cave]

TBH playing in the lower leagues I find it harder to score 1v1's...

[Placebo]

That's why I learned the "double tap" technique when playing as Grimsby ;) Easiest way to score from 1on1 when using players of low finishing and other applicable stats :)

[Placebo]

In the internal data editors forum there's currently a thread asking for our feedback on the audio in the game, thought some of you guys might have some comments you'd like me to pass on directly, so far what's been posted is:

- Spain national team fans shouts "Espanyol!" which belongs to RCD Espanyol. Very annoying.

When I was playing at Estadio Azteca, the mexican commentator said ''Azteca Stadium: the home of America and Atlante''... Atlante moved to another stadium a year and a half ago

And so far I've submitted the following:


I hate that all the pre-match introductions from Fifa08 have been removed, where they talk about the rivalries between clubs eg. Liverpool and Everton, Spurs and Arsenal, Sheff Wednesday and Sheff Utd for example, why on earth where they removed? Hugely disappointing.

I hate that 85% at least of the main commentary is recycled from Fifa08.

I hate that when I play as Sheffield Wednesday O'Connor doesn't have his name spoken, yet O'Connor of Doncaster does, what's that about? :( Why can't we choose commentary name to be used for players in edit mode? Ya know like a certain other football game ;)

I hate that when I play a cross or long ball into the area and it goes out of play, the commentators act as if I just tried to shoot.

I hate that the second a player is tackled and goes down injured the commentators have done an MRI and triage and know whether the injury is bad or not. I hate that often they randomly talk about players being badly injured, going off the pitch, limping back on, having to go off again when nothing of the sort is happening.

I hate that they babble on every time I throw the ball with my keeper is rather annoying, sure say it once or twice a match that they can't believe I can throw it that far, or I feel a throw is more accurate than a kick, or whatever, but not every time I throw the ball please!

I hate that there are no chants for my beloved Sheffield Wednesday!


If there's anything else you'd like me to pass on then post away :)

[Professor Nutmeg]

I generally opt for a finesse shot and if i have time, i'll slow right down, so my player can compose himself. However, the com keepers are pretty good, to say the least (but not when the com is controlling mine) so sometimes i go for the chip/dink, just as he's about to pounce.

[Professor Nutmeg]

Do they really shout Espanyol? or is it España? (I can't comment as i haven't heard it).

[Nick Cave]

All good shouts there Placebo to be honest because of the repetition I usually knock the commentary off after a few games, given the amount of space they could put a little more in there...

[Placebo]

Oh I always have English commentary on, I like the game to have the experience of watching a real match on TV.

[CW]

I just can't finish 1 on 1s. Any tips or an elaboration on the double tap method?

[Placebo]

Head straight on then go to the diagonal of whichever side opens up the footballer's strong foot, so for right footers head to the right, left footers head to the left, wait for the keeper to commit to coming out for you then aim for the corner and double tap the shoot button, or hold finesse and tap the shoot button :)

[Jumbo_]

Aim for the corners and do a finesse shot, with a good striker it usually works for me, thats on semi shooting btw. The 2 key things are timing and body position before you shoot I find. Also lately I've had some success rounding the keeper using the fake shot trick thing (press B then A straight after I think it is).


Placebo - a couple of sound gripes.... when you pass back to the keeper they say 'Oh the crowd dont like that, they've gone back to the keeper', that's quite annoying as I dont recall too many real life instances of that?

Also Mascherano has 3 calls for his name (I think). Two are pronounced "MascherARno" whereas the third is pronounced "MascherAYno". Just sounds ridiculous given it's said by the same guy!

I'm sure there's more but that's all I've got for now!

[Tim7]

Yeah, actually aim your fucking shots :ROLL:.








:WOOT:

[Jumbo_]

:LOL:

[Placebo]

Placebo - a couple of sound gripes.... when you pass back to the keeper they say 'Oh the crowd dont like that, they've gone back to the keeper', that's quite annoying as I dont recall too many real life instances of that?

Also Mascherano has 3 calls for his name (I think). Two are pronounced "MascherARno" whereas the third is pronounced "MascherAYno". Just sounds ridiculous given it's said by the same guy!


Oh aye, and Kuyt being pronounced Kite in the game is shit as well......

[Jumbo_]

Haha yeah, also not to do with sound but you're the best person to ask, what's the chance of them sorting the lack of keeper kits out? I mean it's shocking that England NT and a host of top league teams are using the shitty generic kits on the keepers? I'd happily make them for them if they'd agree to putting them in. Do you know why they're not there anyway? Just laziness?

[Placebo]

Little chance, it's down to budget, they don't see the additional 400 kits as worth creating on top of all the other kits there are, that'd be fine with me if they included some kind of kit creator so we can knock up the keeper kits ourselves......

[Jumbo_]

Seriously, I've got 3 days with nothing to do this week I'll happily sit and make them.

[aitk3n]

one thing which pees me right off is people quiting ranked matches.
my last 5 I'd say, have quit. so its got annoying.

[Vindaloo]

What about the over-enthusiastic crowd at the half-time whistle, where they cheer loudly like the match has been won?

[tobi]

What about the over-enthusiastic crowd at the half-time whistle, where they cheer loudly like the match has been won?

That definitely needs to be addressed.

Also the radar in the next game shouldn't fade out during the game. They should let us change the colour of the dots like in PES.

[Placebo]

Keep them coming, posted the following just now:

A couple more I received via 3rd parties:


when you pass back to the keeper they say 'Oh the crowd dont like that, they've gone back to the keeper', that's quite annoying as I dont recall too many real life instances of that?

Mascherano has 3 calls for his name (I think). Two are pronounced "MascherARno" whereas the third is pronounced "MascherAYno". Just sounds ridiculous given it's said by the same guy!

Kuyt being pronounced Kite in the game when in reality it's pronounced "Kowt" and Martin Tyler pronounces it properly in every real Liverpool game he covers, just not in Fifa!

The over-enthusiastic home crowd at the half-time whistle, where they cheer loudly like the match has been won.

[drekkard]

My only gripe with this distribution is that is slightly harder than it should be to score from just outside the area (just slightly). Keepers tend to save too much this kind of shots, but anything else si really well done in my opinion. Topping this game without breaking the balance will be difficult, but if they succeed it will be enormous.

[Placebo]

I wish the pitches were bigger and the players smaller, is it just me that feels the proportions are not quite realistically correct?

[Nick Cave]

I wish the pitches were bigger and the players smaller, is it just me that feels the proportions are not quite realistically correct?
Nope i think the pitch is a little small... :THINK:

[Ozkar]

Placebo, are they planing on releasing an audio patch, or do they just want some feedback so they can adjust it for fifa 10?
Or maybe this got nothing to do with EA at all? Don't exactly know what the "internal data editors forum" is :)

[Nick Cave]

Placebo, are they planing on releasing an audio patch, or do they just want some feedback so they can adjust it for fifa 10?
Or maybe this got nothing to do with EA at all? Don't exactly know what the "internal data editors forum" is :)


Placebo does some covert work for EA, well team stats. He's our man on the inside... :JAY:

[Placebo]

Placebo, are they planing on releasing an audio patch, or do they just want some feedback so they can adjust it for fifa 10?
Or maybe this got nothing to do with EA at all? Don't exactly know what the "internal data editors forum" is :)

Data editors are the external people (such as myself) who're in charge of the data of certain teams and take care of transfers/stats/attributes/appearances etc. etc. There's a forum for EA people + data editors/reviewers and that's where the question was raised by EA "what bugs you about the sound".

Chances are the feedback will be used for Fifa10, rather than used to fix things in Fifa09.

[Placebo]

Placebo does some covert work for EA, well team stats. He's our man on the inside... :JAY:

I think there's a couple of us who post here that are involved with Fifa data, I'm just the one with the biggest mouth ;)

[pepper63]

Hope i'm not too far of the subject but i would like to be able to mix shorts and socks and maybe 3rd kits for the teams who have them.We all know the goalkeepers kits are a big moan,but they need to sort this.

[Nick Cave]

Hope i'm not too far of the subject but i would like to be able to mix shorts and socks and maybe 3rd kits for the teams who have them.We all know the goalkeepers kits are a big moan,but they need to sort this.
Yeah, I can't see how hard this would be to implement, TBH how hard can it be to have three kits for each team and this too...

[Ozkar]

Data editors are the external people (such as myself) who're in charge of the data of certain teams and take care of transfers/stats/attributes/appearances etc. etc. There's a forum for EA people + data editors/reviewers and that's where the question was raised by EA "what bugs you about the sound".

Chances are the feedback will be used for Fifa10, rather than used to fix things in Fifa09.

Oh I see. Thanks for making it clear ;)

[Professor Nutmeg]

Yeah, I can't see how hard this would be to implement, TBH how hard can it be to have three kits for each team and this too...

I'm lucky that in my Grosseto MM, i have three kits (and i'm a serie B side). The third kit has come in handy on a few occasions.

[raffupperv12]

If anyone can answer I'd appreciate it; last nite I was playing online & with 2 different players just before the game ended they quit (actually says the connection was lost..but I believe that is due to the other player turning off his/her modem). Anyhow, isn't it supposed to be a 3-0 win for me?

[Placebo]

If it was detected that they had deliberately quit yes.

[raffupperv12]

Thanks for the reply Placebo.

[Tim7]

FAO Placebo,

- either fix the radar colours for every team, home and away colours, or give us ability to change colours in game
- give every team 2 decent fucking goalkeeper kits, and make sure NEITHER clash with either of the team's player kits

Schoolboy stuff.

[Coopz]

I scored another cracker on this last night on semi everything

Passed it around a bit to make space and eventually got it wide them produced an inch perfect diagonal left to right ball which Sweinstieger took on his chest then took a touch and whipped in a awesome cross which Klose met with a bullet header crashing in off the bar leaving the goalie rooted

I think its the best goal i have scored just because of the long build up, the cross and finish were superb as well though

[Erik]

After being completely disgusted with MM this year I finally ventured online and wanted to give my thoughts. Everything I have read here is pretty accurate... People pick Man U, put Ronaldo up front and just run straight at your goalkeeper all day. I took some advice last night and decided to start stumping these idiots.

I always choose a different team from any random league. I came up against ManU like 3 times, Inter and Barcelona. I chose Getafe, Lyon, America and Germany (Agaisnt Brazil...). basically i've had my ass handed to me until I chose Getafe against Inter and switched to the five man back line. Basically this tactic completely kills a 5 star team, assisted or non assisted. I won the game 1-0 and they had like 1 shot on goal. From now on, I WILL NOT change this formation unless players online pick different teams to make it more interesting.

One quick thing to note though is that I haven't had ANYONE quit on me, although that's probably because I was losing and I am not going to quit on them...

Now, that's a whole other story regarding BAP Online. I have had a ton of fun in this mode although a very frustrating time as well. It takes so long to get the games set up and I have been kicked out of 3 games (out of 6 or so) by the captain... I ended up being the captain and wanted to boot a player so bad because he wouldn't pass, but I don't know how and I wouldn't anyway because it's someones time that you are wasting. Someone at EA needs to take away booting power...

I try and play the game as I would on the field and it's fun that way when you have others who do the same. Unfortunately, you never know what you are going to get.

Online is okay for me at the moment. EA killed this game with MM for me and I almost sold the game off. We will see how long online lasts...

[Nick Cave]

Erik the MM is virtually the same as last year, or is that why you're disgusted with it...?

[Phat J 22]

if you get a good group of people BAP can be great and can certainly last a long time as far as replay value goes. im actually in a BAP simulation league right now and its probably the best online experience ive had on any console.

you have to be able to kick players, theres so many people that ruin the game.

[Morto10]

I wish ea would get rid of assisted altogether and force people to play semi, manual or a mixture of both because online is to frustrating for people now that like to use semi or manual, having to play against nobheads on fully assisted.

Fucking ruins the game for me.

[CW]

I wish ea would get rid of assisted altogether and force people to play semi, manual or a mixture of both because online is to frustrating for people now that like to use semi or manual, having to play against nobheads on fully assisted.

Fucking ruins the game for me.

:APPLAUD:

[Tim7]

:SAL:

[jambotommy]

I would suggest removing these fucking annoying "fifa 09" white boards next to the goal mouth.

WTF was the point of adding them...?

[Phat J 22]

how else are you going to know what game your playing?

[Tim7]

:LOL:

[Phat J 22]

im not sure exactly where to put this question so ill put it here..

is there a list somewhere of all the fifa 09 teams with the number of stars they have been given in the game along with them?

[Erik]

Erik the MM is virtually the same as last year, or is that why you're disgusted with it...?

Exactly spot on. I played the hell out of Fifa 08 in MM mode and felt like I was just playing 08 again with some different stadiums and weather. Although the gameplay is loads better. I can't seem to stay focused on it this year at all and haven't found a team to stick with.

[jambotommy]

im not sure exactly where to put this question so ill put it here..

is there a list somewhere of all the fifa 09 teams with the number of stars they have been given in the game along with them?

Aye.

They are under the fucking stupid white boards next to the goalmouth.

:P

[Oli]

I can never score long shots in this. It's good they don't happen often but with me they never happen at all. I'm on semi shooting and every shot seems to be slow and sails over the bar. This is even with players like Gerrard, Lampard. I can score some decent ones in the arena though..

ANyone else having this problem?

[Nick Cave]

I can never score long shots in this. It's good they don't happen often but with me they never happen at all. I'm on semi shooting and every shot seems to be slow and sails over the bar. This is even with players like Gerrard, Lampard. I can score some decent ones in the arena though..

ANyone else having this problem?

Are you on PS3 and are you using R1 or R2 Oli?...

[brunnoce]

I think there's a couple of us who post here that are involved with Fifa data, I'm just the one with the biggest mouth ;)

:LMAO:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/986/imagemeh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[brunnoce]

I can never score long shots in this. It's good they don't happen often but with me they never happen at all. I'm on semi shooting and every shot seems to be slow and sails over the bar. This is even with players like Gerrard, Lampard. I can score some decent ones in the arena though..

ANyone else having this problem?

i have the same problem now....
before the pacth i could score a few, now i never score.

[YoungGun_UK]

Make sure when shooting your player is hitting it with his stronger foot.

[StayingPower]

I can only score them on BAP mode.

[brunnoce]

Make sure when shooting your player is hitting it with his stronger foot.

thanx for the suggestion, but be sure im quite experienced fifa player, i know what im doing and i can hit some great shoots, the problem is that the super GKs aways save them :LOL:

[brunnoce]

I can only score them on BAP mode.

that is indeed interesting, cause ive seen a lot more variaty of goals in BAP mode too...i thought it was coencidence, but since ure also in the same boat, that leads me to belive the GK AI on BAP is actually lower

[StayingPower]

I would agree with you on that, I win games 6-1 on BAP World Class difficulty that I would struggle to win in the regular mode on the same difficulty.

[raffupperv12]

I wish ea would get rid of assisted altogether and force people to play semi, manual or a mixture of both because online is to frustrating for people now that like to use semi or manual, having to play against nobheads on fully assisted.

Fucking ruins the game for me.

Completely agree....maybe they should have the option of playing fully assisted offline, but online should require you to have more skill as you're playing against a human opponent and not the CPU.

[Placebo]

:LMAO:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/986/imagemeh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Indeed :)

[Placebo]

thanx for the suggestion, but be sure im quite experienced fifa player, i know what im doing and i can hit some great shoots, the problem is that the super GKs aways save them :LOL:

You're playing semi-shooting on 360 right? :)

[brunnoce]

You're playing semi-shooting on 360 right? :)

yehp...
tried assisted too, just to make sure i wasnt doing anything wrong...
gks still save everything from outside the box.. makes me fell the goal post is just too small. :(

[StuartCulli]

Anyone on the 360 wanna have a few games of fully manual with me?

[Phat J 22]

Anyone on the 360 wanna have a few games of fully manual with me?

i would yeah, im terrible though.

hey, im new to the forum. i have a question for you guys since you seem to know what you're talking about..

can i take the classic players like cantona and put them into other squads and play unranked games?

by the way i play this xbox 360 so its for that system i was wondering about.
this threads a little more popular so..anybody know? id figure it out myself but microsoft has my xbox and im not getting it back until the end of the month.

[SoCal-Phenom]

I've been playing all manual for the past month now..Love it! I'm down anytime for an all manual match. My GT is SocalibrPhenom

Did you guys know that you can force all manual controls for your opponent online? All you have to do is go to the lobbies, invite someone to a game and adjust the settings before sending the invitation. Cool thing is, the opponent won't know that the game's controller settings are locked in on manual until the match starts.

It's so funny when those assisted-loving bastards realize that something has changed within their controls :APPLAUD: Their passes are all over the place LOL

[SoCal-Phenom]

yehp...
tried assisted too, just to make sure i wasnt doing anything wrong...
gks still save everything from outside the box.. makes me fell the goal post is just too small. :(

I agree. The GK's needed to be improved from Fifa 08. They were, but now it is a bit excessive. Bring it down a slight notch EA!

[Kallinn]

dont you guys fucking hate playing against little cunts who choose man utd all the time? I created a game session and soon there joins a player. I choose Reading and he fucking chose man utd! What kinda retardism is that?
Is he blind or just stupid, or maybe both. Cant he see that reading has two and a half star and plays in the coca cola championship and man utd are champions of England and Europe. I fucking hate playing against those little cuntheads who cant play for fun. Just for the win.

[Bingham67]

dont you guys fucking hate playing against little cunts who choose man utd all the time? I created a game session and soon there joins a player. I choose Reading and he fucking chose man utd! What kinda retardism is that?
Is he blind or just stupid, or maybe both. Cant he see that reading has two and a half star and plays in the coca cola championship and man utd are champions of England and Europe. I fucking hate playing against those little cuntheads who cant play for fun. Just for the win.

lol welcome to online only worth playing with friends online really to many Barcelona bums about.

[Phat J 22]

i just leave and start up another one until i get someone who picks decent teams. sometimes it takes awhile but its worth it.

[Tim7]

Yep same here, I hardly ever play Man Utd or Barca. I have to be in a really good mood to play them! If the oppo picks a team I don't wanna play I just quit and search again, easy really.

Played 7, Won 7 online rankers today! I know a complete mugging is around the corner somewhere...

[Kallinn]

Thx for the advice Timbo. ;) never tought of it that way. Maybe cus im still young and stupid. :))

[phrase]

Wondering if FIFA will ever release a graphics patch,example for new boots? That 'other' game did a boots update when they released a patch.sigh.

[evacuate]

Probably not, I don't think most people care about boots really, I know I don't.

[brunnoce]

i care, alot. im all about details.

[phrase]

Me too...I'm all for realism...I mean if Fifa is leaning towards realism with weekly updates...they should update the minor details too like boots,hairstyle and football designs.

[andish2001]

now that really is asking a lot...

[drekkard]

I would really prefer to have better gameplay even if they all are wearing the same boots.

[Placebo]

Same here, for all I care about boots they can all wear black ones, gameplay and manager mode are the most important things to me.

[brunnoce]

now that really is asking a lot...

i dont think so...
we are talking about a multimillion dollar bussness...
i think they can attend those kind of requests if they wanted to, there are many diferent teams inside the EA team, and each team is responsable for one area of the game, so by doing boots it doesnt mean theyll take away any improvments or enhancements on gameplay area for instance..

[evacuate]

Sure but on the other hand I still think most people want them to add/fix other things before extreme details like correct boots. They probably have to pay a bunch of license fees for boots too so I don't think EA think it's worth it in the end to have every player have correct boots.

I'm a little bit afraid that EA will take it more easy the next years because FIFA 09 has had so much more positive feedback than PES so they might feel they are already on safe ground. Would be absolutely crazy if the difference between 09 and 2010 will be the same as 08/09. They've done a pretty amazing job, I really hope they keep at it. Hopefully PES 2010 wont be a pile of poop to keep the motivation going.

[danhammer]

got rid of my ps3 and recently went back to a 360..fifa 09 is much better on the 360, no slowdown, the game runs smoother, sharper/clearer graphics...excellent