FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[Placebo]

Yeah I'm with you there, I want to almost feel like it's a desperate act to make a sliding tackle unless I'm certain I'm going to win the ball, I'd rather it stay as it is now than them tone it down and do it too much.

[BobbyBox]

I wish they don't tone down the refs for the final release. In real life when you take down someone with a sliding tackle it's a yellow card most of the times. I love this, and love the way the CPU fouls you again and again and they earn yellow cards. I love the balance of fouls / cards right now, it's just so spot on.

Yeah I think the refs are good. You can't get away with wayward sliding tackles anymore.

[Chris Davies]

I wish they don't tone down the refs for the final release. In real life when you take down someone with a sliding tackle it's a yellow card most of the times. I love this, and love the way the CPU fouls you again and again and they earn yellow cards. I love the balance of fouls / cards right now, it's just so spot on.
There's a lot of things like that being said Drekkard, a lot of things that they could fiddle with if they read their forums, and I really really hope they don't or it will be a disaster for the guys after a football simulation (and the vast majority of the guys complaining will never be happy anyway).

If you mistime a tackle in real life, and it looks bad, you will get a card. The referee won't let you off because you were desperate to win the ball or because you "pressed the button at the wrong time".

Shots do go over the bar easily if you're too heavy on the button, but I watched two Premier League games live last week (and the CL game last night); that is how it is in real life. The balls are lighter now, and if every shot that went over the bar was low enough to be on target, there would never be a 0-0 again.

Players can't turn as quickly and sharply as fish sliding on ice. Even the best players understand shifting in body weight.

If they fiddle with all of those things before the final release to keep the moaners happy, rather than telling them to go and play a different game, I will be absolutely gutted.

[deathcab001]

if you want to do the dive celebration - hold the modifier button then either:

down-up
up-down

on the stick, its one of them, the other one takes a bow :-pp

[DagsJT]

About the shots going over the bar, LOADS of shots went over the bar during the Euro's. LOADS AND LOADS.

[Blaccat]

Stopped slide tackling since PES5, and never looked back

[Tim7]

It's true about the shooting, loads of shots do go over/wide. I guess because it's a 2 min demo it just makes it even more annoying! There's loads of things that are annoying in the demo, but will be fine in the full game because it will be 5 mins halves :)).

[deathcab001]

It's true about the shooting, loads of shots do go over/wide. I guess because it's a 2 min demo it just makes it even more annoying! There's loads of things that are annoying in the demo, but will be fine in the full game because it will be 5 mins halves :)).

you mean 8minute halves right? ;))

[Placebo]

10 minute halves surely ;))

[sweetkilla]

5 min if your gonna play online unless they have increased it to 6

[Placebo]

Just booted up Fifa08 for the first time since September 10th, gonna be interesting :)

[74ND4 8E42]

Stopped slide tackling since PES5, and never looked back

ive never been much of a slider tackler either but found in pes2008 and in fifa 08 and 09 i could be successful with slides under certain circumstances. i use it mostly when the ball has been played on for the opponents winger....ill take control of my side back and slide outwards towards the line to prevent their attack. it can be tough sometimes when youre trying to just out-muscle an attacking winger and you also run a big risk if he makes it past you.....

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Just booted up Fifa08 for the first time since September 10th, gonna be interesting :)

Never thought i would say this but mine got traded in last week before it lost anymore value!!. After playing Fifa 09 demo i just couldnt go back to it. Helps build the hype anyway in not playing Fifa 08 before 09!. Cant friggin wait!.:-pp

[gameklip]

yeh, no way i can play 08 anymore after this demo.

nice video compilation Blaccat. some of the skills to beat players were sweet. i have a vid on my phone of Joe Cole doing the McGreedy (sp?) turn to beat 2 players and then slotting it in. It's a shame the replays are so short for 360 demo, i couldn't get Deco's pass to me in there :(

I keep going back and forth between both demos. Hopefully EA sort it out for release.

[Placebo]

I just played two Prem matches, lost 1-0 to Preston and beat Sheff Utd 2-0, still enjoyed it but I'm constantly comparing it to Fifa09 and thinking "this is gonna be better" and "can't wait to do that in Fifa09" etc. etc. I was lucky in a way that Euro was so awful single player as I never had that problem :)

[Nick Cave]

Still playing 08 two or three four or five our stints a week, two v AI. I really hoe they have made some changes to the MM mode however slight. And there better be some damn injuries...

[shieldslfc]

Does anyone know how old the demo version is, ie are we playing a 2 month old build of the game, if so cant wait to see final game and any tweaks they put in.

[Scorpio]

There's a lot of things like that being said Drekkard, a lot of things that they could fiddle with if they read their forums, and I really really hope they don't or it will be a disaster for the guys after a football simulation (and the vast majority of the guys complaining will never be happy anyway).

If you mistime a tackle in real life, and it looks bad, you will get a card. The referee won't let you off because you were desperate to win the ball or because you "pressed the button at the wrong time".

Shots do go over the bar easily if you're too heavy on the button, but I watched two Premier League games live last week (and the CL game last night); that is how it is in real life. The balls are lighter now, and if every shot that went over the bar was low enough to be on target, there would never be a 0-0 again.

Players can't turn as quickly and sharply as fish sliding on ice. Even the best players understand shifting in body weight.

If they fiddle with all of those things before the final release to keep the moaners happy, rather than telling them to go and play a different game, I will be absolutely gutted.


You should post these thoughts on the official Fifa 09 forum or mail EA. Because when they do change all those things, you'll feel better since you tried to prevent it. Or can we make some kind of online petition?

I remember writing to EA in 1997 asking them why they didn't include the Belgian league and instead threw in Malaysian teams such as Kualalumpur, etc... They replied me short after with a positive note that they would look into it. And a year after? Belgian teams it was! :)

[kgulls]

I just played two Prem matches, lost 1-0 to Preston and beat Sheff Utd 2-0, still enjoyed it but I'm constantly comparing it to Fifa09 and thinking "this is gonna be better" and "can't wait to do that in Fifa09" etc. etc. I was lucky in a way that Euro was so awful single player as I never had that problem :)

What level are you playing matches on against the cpu in 08?
From playing the demo I think that manager mode might have to start on semi-pro, although judging from how much difference there was in the demo of 08 to the actual game,I'm sort of hoping that the cheating on the higher levels might be curbed enough to allow for a fair game to be played.
Euro08 was just hopeless on the higher levels; off-line.

[Blaccat]

ive never been much of a slider tackler either but found in pes2008 and in fifa 08 and 09 i could be successful with slides under certain circumstances. i use it mostly when the ball has been played on for the opponents winger....ill take control of my side back and slide outwards towards the line to prevent their attack. it can be tough sometimes when youre trying to just out-muscle an attacking winger and you also run a big risk if he makes it past you.....
location location location

L1 + O + X = Maldini

[Hello]

I love how it's easier to get cards in this game a did a test I put on FIFA 08 2 min and hacked the opposition down every time they got the ball and I didn't get a single red card tried it on the FIFA 09 demo and forfeited the match just after half-time. Brilliant! I also like how the CPU does fouls aswell.

I scored a brilliant goal the other night as well, what happened was I ran down the wing and got in the area and accidently pressed pass instead of shoot so the keeper bent down to pick it up and just before it got in his hands another player came in, slid and poked it in the corner. It really pissed off my brother :-pp

[Achillias]

How to do a (fake) Rabona on the PS3?

[CW]

I think the fact that the CPU players now mistime challenges and misplace passes is great, roll on Oct 3

[gameklip]

location location location

L1 + O + X = Maldini

:LOL:

CW: yeah i've had it happen to me a number of times already. so good to know you're not up against T1000.

[Nick Cave]

I think the fact that the CPU players now mistime challenges and misplace passes is great, roll on Oct 3
yeah me too when the defender turned to clear and miss kicked and fell on his arse it was a breath of fresh air...

[clothface]

guys...

What seems to be the most popular speed to play the game on??

sorry i cant be bothered to read through all these pages!!

cheers.

[Nick Cave]

guys...

What seems to be the most popular speed to play the game on??

sorry i cant be bothered to read through all these pages!!

cheers.

The demo? That would be slow to match 08!...

[Placebo]

What level are you playing matches on against the cpu in 08?
From playing the demo I think that manager mode might have to start on semi-pro, although judging from how much difference there was in the demo of 08 to the actual game,I'm sort of hoping that the cheating on the higher levels might be curbed enough to allow for a fair game to be played.
Euro08 was just hopeless on the higher levels; off-line.

World Class I think, haven't changed it in so long I don't notice, either World Class or Professional :)

[clothface]

ive been playing the demo on world class, is this the hardest setting this game has to offer?

[Rob92]

ive been playing the demo on world class, is this the hardest setting this game has to offer?No, Legendary is :)).

[evacuate]

And if you want a challenge remember to play on manual if the highest settings is too easy. I think EA needs to point this out because a lot of people don't seem to realise this and just play with assisted settings.

[StuartCulli]

And if you want a challenge remember to play on manual if the highest settings is too easy. I think EA needs to point this out because a lot of people don't seem to realise this and just play with assisted settings.

Hopefully they will this year. There's an achievement on the 360 for winning a game on fully manual settings so it may convert a few.

[Kallinn]

Hey guys, what is the best way to upload a video? I scored a wonder goal with drogba and the best of all is that it was with manual settings. I really wont to show u. I'm done recording it with my cam and i have also named the video on youtube and browse it to upload but when i press the "Upload video" button then i get message saying it's uploading but it is like that for 20 minutes. Anyone who can help?

[pepper63]

It would be good if there were some realistic head clashes,maybe getting k o'd john terry style.Just for the realism ofcourse.;))

[Kallinn]

Finally the video loaded. Here's my vid. Sry for that shitty quality guys..like i said i made it on couple of minutes. :-pp

YouTube - Fifa 09 Drogba goal. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-cxA0fNpQY)

[pepper63]

That's a fooking cracker...

[Placebo]

And if you want a challenge remember to play on manual if the highest settings is too easy. I think EA needs to point this out because a lot of people don't seem to realise this and just play with assisted settings.

Yeah that's the really good thing about being able to change all controls to manual, you can find the balance that works for you best in terms of in game difficulty + control difficulty, if the AI cheating of Legendary/World Class pisses you off just slap everything onto manual and Professional becomes a good challenge again :)

[airjoca]

I really really think, especially after going back to play a match on FIFA08, that the difficulty of the demo is toned down to allow newcomers to feel more confortable. I'm willing to bet the final game will be harder.

[Bitter Rivals]

I really really think, especially after going back to play a match on FIFA08, that the difficulty of the demo is toned down to allow newcomers to feel more confortable. I'm willing to bet the final game will be harder.

ye, i have thought the same

[DagsJT]

Nice goal Kallinn :))

[Kallinn]

Thx guys.:D

[stilts1844]

Also, as I've mentioned before, attributes. I'd like someone to test this out since i've only been able to test it against the computer. Try putting your most offensive minded player who is still fast/strong (ronaldinho, kaka etc) as a central defender... does it make a difference? I'm trying it out now and so far..... not so much. with ronaldinho and boriello at the back, they still maintain pretty good positioning and tackle well. Does anyone notice a difference in tackling skills separate from just strength? Also are we noticing a big enough difference in passing skills? Trapping?

To me the game plays such a great game of football, if attributes still don't really matter it would be a real shame as I think it's a huge part of the game... someone who can play multiplayer (and is willing) test this and tell me what you think :)

bump :) anyone able to try this? thoughts?

[kevano22]

i will try it now :)

OK i have drogba n malouda at centre back for chelsea...

on a side note you can now put a player in goal...on 08 it wouldnt allow you to put an outfield player in goal!

OK strangley enough im playing better with the defence in attack and viceversa :lol:. Biggest difference i noticed was I was more likely to get a goal in the air....but didnt stand a chance running at players/shooting from long distance.

Toronto had a men sent off so didnt trouble my defence at all.

[Blaccat]

According to this guy u can get booked for celebrating, WTF?

is this true?

i've just been playing Fifa 09 demo and when scoring a goal i have been using the L3 R3 sticks to do the goal celebrations

one of my players was on a yellow allready and when he scored i used L3 R3 sticks to do celebration and he got a 2nd yellow for it and set off

[Bingham67]

I have heard that and also keeper going up for corner last minute of the game but its automatic. :)

[kevano22]

I LOVE how the dynamics of the team change depending on the lineup. I decided to play deco mikel n ballack in the midfield and i wasnt as aggresive in MF as with essien n lampard.

anelka in for drogba. headers were shit but one ball over the top anelka onto it in a flash...keeper came as he thought CB was stranded...almost lobbed him as he ran back to his net but i just clipped the angle.

never been so impressed with a game. player individuality is definately there.

[stilts1844]

i will try it now :)

OK i have drogba n malouda at centre back for chelsea...

on a side note you can now put a player in goal...on 08 it wouldnt allow you to put an outfield player in goal!

OK strangley enough im playing better with the defence in attack and viceversa :lol:. Biggest difference i noticed was I was more likely to get a goal in the air....but didnt stand a chance running at players/shooting from long distance.

Toronto had a men sent off so didnt trouble my defence at all.

Haha, well to be fair Drogba could probably own Toronto FC in defense even in real life :) But to me if this is the case even in multiplayer it will be very disappointing, it would essentially mean tackling and positioning stats mean nothing which will really bother me.......

[gomito#10]

great game, now im loving it

[wan_d7]

last night i play against marseille, cisse' score a goal,and suddenly after he celebrating,just before the kick off,the referee booked him. i don't know what had he done,but i'm like, yeah go for it mr. referee. :LOL:

[Placebo]

According to this guy u can get booked for celebrating, WTF?

i've just been playing Fifa 09 demo and when scoring a goal i have been using the L3 R3 sticks to do the goal celebrations

one of my players was on a yellow allready and when he scored i used L3 R3 sticks to do celebration and he got a 2nd yellow for it and set off

is this true?

More like he got a second yellow for a bad tackle that happened previously and he's putting 2+2 together to make 5......

last night i play against marseille, cisse' score a goal,and suddenly after he celebrating,just before the kick off,the referee booked him. i don't know what had he done,but i'm like, yeah go for it mr. referee. :LOL:

See above......

[Tim7]

^ Yep, I was gonna suggest exactly the same thing as Placebo.

[Placebo]

That's cos you is smart ;)

[evacuate]

They need to show a replay of why people get booked. It would solve all the confusion when the ref pulls up the card and you can't remember that you did anything wrong.

[Placebo]

They need to show a replay of why people get booked. It would solve all the confusion when the ref pulls up the card and you can't remember that you did anything wrong.

Well they do show the incident, unless it was too long ago that the incident has left the cache (or something like that).

[evacuate]

Yeah but it's these incidents that create the confusion. Since it's mostly one card to hand out they should just hold on to the replay until the player gets carded.

[jonneymendoza]

i've pre ordered it from shopto. a good thing? or go with play.com?

[FlawlessCowboy]

i've pre ordered it from shopto. a good thing? or go with play.com?

Stick with ShopTo. Everything I've pre-ordered with them has come at least a day early, sometimes two.

As Play use second class postage, they can be hit and miss

[imothop]

Ok Guys after playing this beautiful piece of software i have to admit that i need to learn a lot to master this game. i can't defend very well, i can't win a lot of headers, i can't defend at all :D

so how do you guys defend and what is the best way to get some headers? thanks a lot for your tips (appreciate it).

[Coopz]

great game, now im loving it

Whats made you change your mind?

I take it your have had mates round for some multiplayer :))

[evacuate]

Ok Guys after playing this beautiful piece of software i have to admit that i need to learn a lot to master this game. i can't defend very well, i can't win a lot of headers, i can't defend at all :D

so how do you guys defend and what is the best way to get some headers? thanks a lot for your tips (appreciate it).

Heading the ball is harder than before. In 08/Euro you could press well before and head ok, but now you have to press when you want to jump. So the heading is all about staying cool and time the jump just before you want to head it, if that makes sense.

Defending I would say remember to hold down the jockey button and don't just rush the opponent with the tackle button pressed. Also if you run with standing tackle button pressed remember to point your direction stick towards the ball and not in the direction your running. As far as I can tell it's easier to push away the opponent when doing so. General rule when defending is letting the attacker do his move first and then attack the ball (imo).

[Blaccat]

They need to show a replay of why people get booked. It would solve all the confusion when the ref pulls up the card and you can't remember that you did anything wrong.

U could just rewind ur replay to find out

[RockyJJP]

Anyone know if this game has gone gold yet?
I'm sure it must have by now

[deathcab001]

Stylish Setup, a little bit of luck, and then an over the top finish :D

YouTube - Stylish Fifa 09 Goal (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LIQvi479g)

[evacuate]

U could just rewind ur replay to find out

Yes, OR they could just show it to you so you don't have to spend a minute in replay playing detective.

Anyways... Is there such a thing as delayed red cards in real life? I always thought the ref had to stop the play directly if there was going to be a straight red.

[Coopz]

Just a few examples of the late runs and powerful headers that are so good in the 09 demo :))

Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 3, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header, 3 (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skzw_fifa-09-header-3_videogames)
Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 2, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header, 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skzd_fifa-09-header-2_videogames)
Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 1, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skyk_fifa-09-header-1_videogames)

[Scutch]

Complition of skills and animations :

YouTube - Fifa 09 Animations and general compilation! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnSzxZQvYq4)

Very noice :SMOKIN:

[Placebo]

Is there any point to the video thread when everyone posts the videos in here and also discusses the videos in the video thread?

[jonneymendoza]

diddnt know there was a video thread but yea we should move the vids in the video thread.

[Blaccat]

Yes, OR they could just show it to you so you don't have to spend a minute in replay playing detective.

Anyways... Is there such a thing as delayed red cards in real life? I always thought the ref had to stop the play directly if there was going to be a straight red.
It depends on how sensible the ref is, if there is a goal scoring opportunity he cant just stop the game bcos he wants to handout a red

[Blaccat]

Is there any point to the video thread when everyone posts the videos in here and also discusses the videos in the video thread?
I think most ppl are just not aware there is one

[Coopz]

Is there any point to the video thread when everyone posts the videos in here and also discusses the videos in the video thread?

Is there any point in you moaning about all these little things? :))

[evacuate]

I guess that's true blaccat.

Looking at the official board it seems like a bunch of people have been sent of after they've scored a goal. Anyone seen this in real life? I mean it should be able to happen if you have a yellow card and kick someone down, the ref plays advantage and the other team then loses the ball after the the advantage have been played out. Your team starts a counter attack and you score a goal and gets a second yellow and get sent off. Can't remember to have seen this in real life, would be pretty funny to see the crowds reaction though. Maybe it's possible to find on youtube.

[andish2001]

Why does the ps3 version have such great adboards?

we get nothing on 360 but "Fifa fair play" and "football for hope" and "ea sports" logos. Looks cack.

PS3 get coke zero, sony, adidas and others.

WHY?

[evacuate]

Because of the stadium it's played in. Those companies are sponsors of the Fifa World Cup or whatever it is called. That tournament that is exclusive for PS3.

[jonneymendoza]

I think most ppl are just not aware there is one
i wasnt aware

[sweetkilla]

FIFA Interactive World Cup

www.fifa.com/fiwc

[Chris Davies]

Anyone know if this game has gone gold yet?
I'm sure it must have by now
Surprisingly it is only due to go gold within the next few days. Bearing in mind that the demo code was three weeks old as it was, I'm hoping to see even more improvements. As long as they don't listen to the kids on the EA UK forums and make it ten times easier, with no shots going over the bar ever and referees letting people get away with murder...

[eliasg]

lol, imagine that they make it bad , and after that we will stuck for a whole year playing a demo...

[Nick Cave]

Surprisingly it is only due to go gold within the next few days. Bearing in mind that the demo code was three weeks old as it was, I'm hoping to see even more improvements. As long as they don't listen to the kids on the EA UK forums and make it ten times easier, with no shots going over the bar ever and referees letting people get away with murder...
I'm hoping they have put some changes into the MM, It would surely not take long to put a few of the bugs right...

[gurjisfit]

As far as animation goes FIFA 09 is miles ahead. And when it comes to the first two thirds of the pitch it plays the closest thing to real football ever witnessed outside of an actual match.

HOWEVER - in the final third i still think the game lacks incision. It all feels too fluffy with a lack of control in tight areas. I agree that in real life it takes a certain amount of time for players to change direction etc but watch any good (not even great) player and they can move the ball around swiftly without cumbersome movement cycles.

My other issue is the offensive AI. It's great in terms of making forward runs but rarely makes lateral movement - watch any FIFA08/EURO/09 video and most goals are either cross/header routines or horizontal breaks, rarely anything else - for instance anyone remember the valencia goal at the mestalla versus Liverpool a few years ago - lateral movement exemplified. I've played 08 and EURO to death and tried to play such football but the Ai movement simply doesn't allow it - it's too often passing triangles down each flank as the Ai sets off on another endless straight run to goal. This is one area where PES is still ahead (the only area probably but important) i.e. offensive AI - to test i went back to pes5 after about 20 hours on 09 demo - i can play like arsenal do in real life with the whole variety of goals.

If this is just down to my own limitations fine and if more complex moves can be put together i genuinely want to know how because i have no allegiance to any game (daftness!).

I would also agree with the comment posted by others that the game is too one paced in the final third so that there is very little urgency - maybe reduced or shorter animations are required but it means that when goals go in they go in at the same pace and tempo as the buld-up which led to it - this removes the euphoria assciated with a goal instead giving rise to smiling admiration for the game engine.

I'm not posting this for the sake of controversy - EA are doing what the fans want and that should be praised highly indeed. BUT - i can't help feel that FIFA plays wire frame football with all the dynamic incisive bits often missing - once it acquires that - probably by FIFA 2011 realistically - well then PES will be dead.

[Placebo]

Is there any point in you moaning about all these little things? :))

Yes, obviously, sheesh! :))

[s33k3rgr]

As far as animation goes FIFA 09 is miles ahead. And when it comes to the first two thirds of the pitch it plays the closest thing to real football ever witnessed outside of an actual match.

HOWEVER - in the final third i still think the game lacks incision. It all feels too fluffy with a lack of control in tight areas. I agree that in real life it takes a certain amount of time for players to change direction etc but watch any good (not even great) player and they can move the ball around swiftly without cumbersome movement cycles.

My other issue is the offensive AI. It's great in terms of making forward runs but rarely makes lateral movement - watch any FIFA08/EURO/09 video and most goals are either cross/header routines or horizontal breaks, rarely anything else - for instance anyone remember the valencia goal at the mestalla versus Liverpool a few years ago - lateral movement exemplified. I've played 08 and EURO to death and tried to play such football but the Ai movement simply doesn't allow it - it's too often passing triangles down each flank as the Ai sets off on another endless straight run to goal. This is one area where PES is still ahead (the only area probably but important) i.e. offensive AI - to test i went back to pes5 after about 20 hours on 09 demo - i can play like arsenal do in real life with the whole variety of goals.

If this is just down to my own limitations fine and if more complex moves can be put together i genuinely want to know how because i have no allegiance to any game (daftness!).

I would also agree with the comment posted by others that the game is too one paced in the final third so that there is very little urgency - maybe reduced or shorter animations are required but it means that when goals go in they go in at the same pace and tempo as the buld-up which led to it - this removes the euphoria assciated with a goal instead giving rise to smiling admiration for the game engine.

I'm not posting this for the sake of controversy - EA are doing what the fans want and that should be praised highly indeed. BUT - i can't help feel that FIFA plays wire frame football with all the dynamic incisive bits often missing - once it acquires that - probably by FIFA 2011 realistically - well then PES will be dead.

i agree 1000 % with you

[gurjisfit]

i agree 1000 % with you

I have such a love hate relationship with FIFA and contantly find myself questioning how realistic it is or isn't...!

The bottom line for me is that when we watch football we all crave high paced, dynamic intricate football, therefore why we would want anything else in a football game is beyond me...

I actually think that the motion capture technology can be hindrance with FIFA (especially as all players end up moving, shooting etc like the motion capture subject) as it creates this one-paced element - i wonder if hand-drawn (or whatever the technical name is for it) animation is still the way to go with a football game until motion capture can be truly exploited (done better than konami of course!)

[Placebo]

HOWEVER - in the final third i still think the game lacks incision. It all feels too fluffy with a lack of control in tight areas. I agree that in real life it takes a certain amount of time for players to change direction etc but watch any good (not even great) player and they can move the ball around swiftly without cumbersome movement cycles.


For fast control in tight areas you just take your finger off sprint and press the pace control/skill button......

[gurjisfit]

For fast control in tight areas you just take your finger off sprint and press the pace control/skill button......

That's the problem i think - even then players don't move with precision or keep the ball close enough - it's too bumbling - perhaps we have different expectations

[kevano22]

They really do if you keep hold of pace control....

I love how you can slow a defender down then sprint or knock it on even further. The possibilities are endless. Check the video thread I am uploading some more nice videos :)

[Placebo]

Yeah I agree, I'm actually learning this myself afresh as I used to have it as LB pace/skills and LT change player, I've now switched that around and it's so much easier to use pace control and pull skills off all the time, already in the demo I'm using pace control loads more to get AI defenders booked, you can really tease them into lunging in at you, even in Fifa08 it's far more effective, I gotta re-learn not to press LT to switch players but I'm improving that :)

[RockyJJP]

I can't take this waiting,
Right now a 5x5 min rainy night game at Old Trafford against Liverpool seems so far away.

[jeblo05]

let's talk about re-mapping the controls ;)

As I'm planning to give PES another chance, I've re-mapped FIFA/PS3 to:

[] -> shooting
O -> crossing
X -> passing
/\ -> passing into space

R1 -> speed
R2 -> pace/skills
L1 -> switch player
L2 -> shooting with inside

FIFA/360

same layout, but:

RT -> speed
RB -> pace/skills
LT -> switch player
LB -> shooting with inside

___

L1(LB) -> pace/skills and R1(RB) -> speed is probably working even better, but I'm still too PESified (PESimistic ???)

[Nick Cave]

I still sprint around like a tart everywhere in 08, I really have to learn to get off the gas...

[Chris Davies]

Ditto, I don't think us PES veterans will ever be able to shake that off. Another thing to thank Uncle Seabass for.

[Geefiasco]

[] -> shooting
O -> crossing
X -> passing
/\ -> passing into space

R1 -> speed
R2 -> pace/skills
L1 -> switch player
L2 -> shooting with inside

Same as me :)

[gameklip]

Surprisingly it is only due to go gold within the next few days. Bearing in mind that the demo code was three weeks old as it was, I'm hoping to see even more improvements. As long as they don't listen to the kids on the EA UK forums and make it ten times easier, with no shots going over the bar ever and referees letting people get away with murder...

that is my only fear Chris. i'm the poster "it's anthonyOA" over there trying to keep them grounded. heh

the more you play the demo, the more your realise how much more time you need in a game to build up moves etc. it's realistic that not every shot flies in. it's also realistic that the ref let play carry on whenever possible problem is it leads to a frustrating demo if condensed into 2minutes.

my first match will be 10minutes :lol:

Man utd vs Man City. :TWIST:

[gomito#10]

Whats made you change your mind?

I take it your have had mates round for some multiplayer :))

actually nah , i watched marseille pool cl game, then went andplayed and tried to play like marseille did in that match with the same second half lienup and its seemend very realistic. I tried to get valbuena and cheryou involed as much as possible, it was great fun

[gameklip]

Just a few examples of the late runs and powerful headers that are so good in the 09 demo :))

Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 3, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header, 3 (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skzw_fifa-09-header-3_videogames)
Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 2, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header, 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skzd_fifa-09-header-2_videogames)
Dailymotion - Fifa 09 Header 1, a video from Coopz08. fifa, header (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6skyk_fifa-09-header-1_videogames)

those vids are amazing and show just how far animations have come in games. wow.

the reaction of even the ball in the net is so realistic. i'm so happy the sorted the nets.

people worried that the headers will be too easy also need to remember they've been given Drogba, ballack etc to control ;))

the header require some skill to execute. and timing. just like real life. hehe

[Chris Davies]

Two weeks to release now (if you order from ShopTo or Gameplay and get it a day early)! :)

I can't play the demo any longer, it's so short, it just makes you want more. Roll on two weeks.

[Bingham67]

Dad said it before but just got Aston Villa game on he looked and said is this live i said yeah he goes cant tell if its game you play at times. :DD

Testiment to Fifa 09 brilliance i say. :))

[NACK22]

Two weeks to release now (if you order from ShopTo or Gameplay and get it a day early)! :)

I can't play the demo any longer, it's so short, it just makes you want more. Roll on two weeks.



Have to say I'm starting to be swayed by watching allot of these goals, and if the full version is said to be more responsive then great.

Being a PC gamer for most my years my only realistic option was PES but as the Wife is letting me get a 1080p tv and PS3 (Swayed her with the Blu Ray option)i'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out on release.

Only draw back is she said I can have the TV now and PS3 at christmas.


I did play fifa 08 on the 360 but far to sluggish for me, so how much has it changed since then?

[Coopz]

Finally know how to do the fake rabona now thanks to kev :))

Dailymotion - Fake Rabona and goal, a video from Coopz08. fake, rabona, and, goal (http://www.dailymotion.com/Coopz08/video/x6snyt_fake-rabona-and-goal_videogames)

[Bingham67]

Have to say I'm starting to be swayed by watching allot of these goals, and if the full version is said to be more responsive then great.

Being a PC gamer for most my years my only realistic option was PES but as the Wife is letting me get a 1080p tv and PS3 (Swayed her with the Blu Ray option)i'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out on release.

Only draw back is she said I can have the TV now and PS3 at christmas.


I did play fifa 08 on the 360 but far to sluggish for me, so how much has it changed since then?

To sum it up quite alot of change and ouch rather cruel with PS3. :LOL:

[NACK22]

To sum it up quite alot of change and ouch rather cruel with PS3. :LOL:

What you gonna do? That's Women for ya!

God come christmas morning i'm going to be up before my Son lol

[Scorpio]

Does anyone know if EA have the history of letting the shops sel Fifa as soon as they have it? Or do they want them to wait till the 3rd of october like Rockstar did for GTAIV?

[Nick Cave]

Does anyone know if EA have the history of letting the shops sel Fifa as soon as they have it? Or do they want them to wait till the 3rd of october like Rockstar did for GTAIV?

i have always got FIFA, well the last two, without pre ordering early, try your local game shops. The only thing is you have to pay full price...

[Chris Davies]

He's talking about getting them before Friday Nick.

I've not been able to get a game before Friday for a while now; there is one shop around here that does it, did it with FIFA 08, but he charges £50 (the RRP of £40 is expensive enough)... But I don't think EA will be as strict as Rockstar were with GTA IV, certainly.

[gameklip]

wow @ the animations in that vid.

i still reckon i have the best goal ever, but it's stuck on my phone and my PC crashes everytime i try to upload.

[Nick Cave]

He's talking about getting them before Friday Nick.

I've not been able to get a game before Friday for a while now; there is one shop around here that does it, did it with FIFA 08, but he charges £50 (the RRP of £40 is expensive enough)... But I don't think EA will be as strict as Rockstar were with GTA IV, certainly.

I got them Thursday last thing last time I'm sure but as I say full price, wait a day or two and could have saved quite a few quid...

[Scorpio]

Thx for the quick reply guys, now I know I'll be taking leave from work a few days early. I already feel the virus in my body, I think it will give me the flu in about two weeks... :D

[gerd]

He's talking about getting them before Friday Nick.

I've not been able to get a game before Friday for a while now; there is one shop around here that does it, did it with FIFA 08, but he charges £50 (the RRP of £40 is expensive enough)... But I don't think EA will be as strict as Rockstar were with GTA IV, certainly.

I've noticed that in Belgium and Holland games seems to hit the stores sooner than in England.
I work in Brussels and i usually have the games earlier. Last years FIFA i had a couple of days earlier.

Try the Free Record Shop scorpio (as a music freak i hate that shop, but they are good and soon for games).

[Scorpio]

I've noticed that in Belgium and Holland games seems to hit the stores sooner than in England.
I work in Brussels and i usually have the games earlier. Last years FIFA i had a couple of days earlier.

Try the Free Record Shop scorpio (as a music freak i hate that shop, but they are good and soon for games).

Aha, merci voor de info Gerd! Van PES wist ik het maar voor Fifa had ik geen idee. Heb jij een PS3? Anders voeg ik je wel toe... ;)

(Sorry for the dutch talk, couldn't resist)

[gameklip]

Just playing now. If you hold sprint a lot the gameplay overall is faster. the CPU increases the intensity in the midfield battle. that's crazy ai.

[hitmanuk]

I wii be definately buying this game but rumours are amazon are recieving this game on 23rd so you can bet some people will have this a week before release :O(

Just found this on hotdeals uk for people who havnt yet ordered..works out around 33 quid

VOUCHERS: £3 off £30 at Game.Co.UK

Hi guys spent a while looking for this myself

Using the code.... NW04GME4

You get £3 off

In total for any of the games you will pay £36.99

You can also get up to 11% Quidco, so you will be saving more, i also added the game reward thing, so you get discount in the future and get more quidco but more...

[luke909]

Is it possible to change the camera angle for Arena mode in either the demo or the full version?

[Jamie LUFC]

Blockbuster will get there supply on the 30th and fortunatley my mate who works there has been told they will break release and sell on the 1st to increase sales.

[YoungGun_UK]

Hey I've Pre Ordered from Shopto, I normally dont bother with it but with the fact I may get it a day or two before release is worth it, Also I just clicked on the "Pre Order" button and got a Email saying they have recieved my Order but no request for my Card detaills? Will I have to add them later before they dispatch it.

[Chris Davies]

You add the card details into your account settings YoungGun, then they just take them from there when required.

[Tim7]

After playing the demo some more, I still think that shooting needs sorting. It's pretty wank if I'm honest about it at the moment :((. I'm not bothered about shots going over the bar/wide etc, it's the fact that EVERY single shot is fucking floaty and shit. Seriously let's the game down and could be a gamebreaker for me if it's not fixed :((.

[Bingham67]

After playing the demo some more, I still think that shooting needs sorting. It's pretty wank if I'm honest about it at the moment :((. I'm not bothered about shots going over the bar/wide etc, it's the fact that EVERY single shot is fucking floaty and shit. Seriously let's the game down and could be a gamebreaker for me if it's not fixed :((.

I wouldnt say they are Fifa 08 floaty sometimes unrealistic movement like gust of wind wips ball like its floater. You can get some real venom behind them now so they travel but the difficulty is keeping the shots down its interesting dilema but you dont want it going in 100% all time.

[airjoca]

Fifa 09 Standard Skills Tutorial


YouTube - Fifa 09 Standard Skills Tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVJm0U_PFM)

[jflores]

After playing the demo some more, I still think that shooting needs sorting. It's pretty wank if I'm honest about it at the moment :((. I'm not bothered about shots going over the bar/wide etc, it's the fact that EVERY single shot is fucking floaty and shit. Seriously let's the game down and could be a gamebreaker for me if it's not fixed :((.

Try this mate. Either push the ball to your right or left with the RS while facing the goal and powering up a shot, or as you are running towards goal outside the box, make sure to let go of RT(sprint)button just as your player knocks the ball ahead during his sprint and power up your shot. This two tips will keep your shots low, on target and powerful.

If you shoot while holding RT outside the box, it usually sends the shot over like a balloon which I myself hate. I really wish EA would implement a practice tutorial mode in this game.

[Tim7]

I have tried shooting without holding sprint, and making sure the player is balanced. Doesn't make a difference to me.

[jflores]

I have tried shooting without holding sprint, and making sure the player is balanced. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Well, it's made a big difference for me. And I am very picky person. I do agree that the shooting does need to be tweaked further though.

[brunnoce]

Blockbuster will get there supply on the 30th and fortunatley my mate who works there has been told they will break release and sell on the 1st to increase sales.

do u know if they have an online shop or if they ship to brazil?

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Have you tried the modifier? r2 on new alternative? For me that gives a difference making the ball stay lower and having a less "sharp" angle of elevation.

Just played the 360demo after playing the ps3 one. Can't tell much difference tbh, atleast not during actual gameplay. Replay's maybe a bit smoother but its not by much.

[BobbyBox]

I have tried shooting without holding sprint, and making sure the player is balanced. Doesn't make a difference to me.

I have found that if you just give the shoot button the quickest tap - then most of the time you get a good low shot. To make sure I tap it quick enough I give two quick taps (even though the second tap does nothing) as how you would do a middle cross.

It is working for me and hardly any floaters and quite a few rasping along the ground shots :DD

[raffupperv12]

do u know if they have an online shop or if they ship to brazil?

Try Shopto.com, it's worked for me in the states.

[Placebo]

I wii be definately buying this game but rumours are amazon are recieving this game on 23rd so you can bet some people will have this a week before release :O(


Considering that the DVDs aren't even manufactured yet there's no way possible Amazon will get it so early.

[Mart]

Surprisingly it is only due to go gold within the next few days. Bearing in mind that the demo code was three weeks old as it was, I'm hoping to see even more improvements.
That can't be right except maybe at a push the PC version that doesn't need to go through certification before release, even then they'd be pushed getting through manufacturing and distributing enough copies for release time.

On consoles you're looking at at least two weeks for certification so generally around a month before release would be the very latest possible for getting the master sent off to the console manufacturers and more realistically that's when you'd be hoping to hear your game had passed certification.

The only way demo feedback since its release would make a difference to the full game now is if they do a downloadable update.

[pepper63]

If you are hitting floaters then it's because you are blasting infront of goal,relax and take your time Timothy there's a good lad.:-pp

[gomito#10]

Have to say I'm starting to be swayed by watching allot of these goals, and if the full version is said to be more responsive then great.

Being a PC gamer for most my years my only realistic option was PES but as the Wife is letting me get a 1080p tv and PS3 (Swayed her with the Blu Ray option)i'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out on release.

Only draw back is she said I can have the TV now and PS3 at christmas.


I did play fifa 08 on the 360 but far to sluggish for me, so how much has it changed since then?

what is she your mommy too? :)

[Chris Davies]

That can't be right except maybe at a push the PC version that doesn't need to go through certification before release, even then they'd be pushed getting through manufacturing and distributing enough copies for release time.

On consoles you're looking at at least two weeks for certification so generally around a month before release would be the very latest possible for getting the master sent off to the console manufacturers and more realistically that's when you'd be hoping to hear your game had passed certification.

The only way demo feedback since its release would make a difference to the full game now is if they do a downloadable update.
I'm only reporting what we're being told but perhaps I've made a mistake there; we're being told the discs are getting pressed starting this weekend. I was presuming that meant the code wasn't gold yet but we haven't received an explicit email stating that it has or hasn't. I apologise if it has gone gold but we haven't heard anything saying that it has, and you'd think the guys we're in touch with would tell us considering they've told us the discs are getting pressed this weekend. In-fact they're saying on the EA forums they're working hard on getting a last few tweaks in based on demo feedback - but that's on the PC part of the forum admittedly.

Aside from that, we've been told the demo code was three weeks old but with the latest database imported, and that the final code will be more advanced than the demo.

[brunnoce]

Try Shopto.com, it's worked for me in the states.

thanx, but the problem with shopto is that they dont do express shiping(fedex, dhl, ups) to brazil, than with the normal mail it would take too long for the game to arrive, so it would be pointless to import it from europe since the US version will be out after a while, and its a bit cheaper to get that one than the UK version here.

i just need someplace or some kind english soul that can ship this to me via fedex or ups..i would pay by paypal in advace with the shipping charges include.

if someone is up for it, please pm me.
thanx a lot!

[Tim7]

we've been told...that the final code will be more advanced than the demo.
Thank fuck for that.

[airjoca]

So I'm in this hotel room with a Maxmen cover model. She quickly seduces me and proceeds to undress me. Then she starts to strip as well, as I get hotter and hotter...

And then, just when I think she's gonna jump on me, she says goodbye and leaves... :(
















That's how the (short) FIFA09 demo feels like... :lol:

[Bingham67]

Sounds about right :DD

Oh well not long to wait now FSB have copies at end of month. :)

[k_19]

Question for those who played the demo (got a 360 but have no hard drive yet); how are the player placements on corner kicks? Is there any way to adjust them? My biggest gripe in FIFA over the years have been that the centerbacks seem to NEVER come up for the corner kicks. Even in FIFA 08 (unless I am missing something), you can use the defender attack mode on and you'll usually only see your side backs come up for corners... which in my case becomes useless since I use Man U (resulting in Evra and Neville in the box for corners. Pff.). Even when the centerbacks come up rarely, they are usually at the edge of the box, making them essentially useless for heading purposes. Not to mention you will see small forwards/wingers like Tevez, Park, and whatnot in the box that clearly don't belong in there. My only way around this in 08 has been switching the players manually into the forward position when the ball is out of play (e.g: switching Vidic for Tevez and Ferdinand for Rooney), which gets very annoying after a while since I have to switch them back. In PES you can have your centerback come up into good position if you go full red on the team attack level, but in FIFA it has always frustrated me.

I think football games need to make this fully customizable as it is important part of the game...

[wan_d7]

just play again and again,and kinda frustrated with passing. i use the manual last time and I'm fucking bollocks to it,so i use semi. what i feel annoying is usually when i pass from my midfield to my full back that running on the sideline,the pass is like ok,i mean the power is normal,i really think he should receive it easily,but in fact, he just pass by the ball without touching it. it's like just a step from him to the ball but he didn't take it. i mean it is scripted,he ran thru 1 lane and didn't manage to get the ball, cuz his movement is scripted,not much but it is obvious and annoying. so does changing player. it didn't change to the player that i want and player that suppose to be control. usually when CPU play a long high ball and there's 2 my defender chasing the ball with the opponent and 1 of my defender is more nearer and will reach the ball 1st while now i'm controlling the other player. i try to change to him but the cursor didn't move.it stick to the player who is far and will surely lost the ball. i press over and over it didn't help. and also the right analog stick change player also no.it's annoying. that's why i only win few times with toronto. darn. wish this could be sorted. nway that didn't stop me playing :LOL:

[DagsJT]

I wii be definately buying this game but rumours are amazon are recieving this game on 23rd so you can bet some people will have this a week before release :O(

Just found this on hotdeals uk for people who havnt yet ordered..works out around 33 quid

VOUCHERS: £3 off £30 at Game.Co.UK

Hi guys spent a while looking for this myself

Using the code.... NW04GME4

You get £3 off

In total for any of the games you will pay £36.99

You can also get up to 11% Quidco, so you will be saving more, i also added the game reward thing, so you get discount in the future and get more quidco but more...

I used the code yesterday to pre-order GH:WT, but it's let me use it again for FIFA :DD So I've ordered it for £36.99, earned £2 in points and got it tracked through Quidco as well :DD

[jeblo05]

I'm loving the demo so far, but there are a few glitches I'm hoping to be fixed in the final:

- far too much curl on free kicks
- advantage rule is a mess
- no own goals

I'm still surprised how much EA have improved the game. I can't remember any (annual) sports game series that has made such a great jump into the right direction within one year.

[fantomas23]

if you delay too long, free kicks (and maybe even throw ins and goalie kicks) will be taken automatically. this needs to be eradicated!

[drekkard]

I'm loving the demo so far, but there are a few glitches I'm hoping to be fixed in the final:

- far too much curl on free kicks
- advantage rule is a mess
- no own goals

I'm still surprised how much EA have improved the game. I can't remember any (annual) sports game series that has made such a great jump into the right direction within one year.

I agree with the first 2 points, but not with the third. I've had many own goals, both by me or by the cpu. And all looked realistic and Fun, even mine!

[gerd]

I have a litle bit trouble with the "peculiar" camera angle when you take a corner...that is my only very litle negative point. Otherwise it's great.

[jeblo05]

I've had own goals, too. But scoring is rewarded to the attacking player every time.

[WILDSTER180774]

I'm loving the demo so far, but there are a few glitches I'm hoping to be fixed in the final:

- far too much curl on free kicks
- advantage rule is a mess
- no own goals

I'm still surprised how much EA have improved the game. I can't remember any (annual) sports game series that has made such a great jump into the right direction within one year.

IVE HAD OWN GOALS MATE

[Scutch]

I think he means that the own goal is credited to the attacking player, and not to the actual goalscorer.

[jeblo05]

I think he means that the own goal is credited to the attacking player, and not to the actual goalscorer.
exactly, thanks for your explanation

:)

[Placebo]

That's an old Fifa08 bug......

[Cammey]

This time in 2 weeks Bauer will have found the 1st flaws :LOL:

[pboreham]

This time in 2 weeks Bauer will have found the 1st flaws :LOL:

And have it up for sale due to 'AI Cheats' :LOL:

[Geefiasco]

The only things I'm not happy about are;

- Shooting needs slightly tweaking
- The curve of the ball is over exaggerated (mainly on free-kicks)
- Free-kicks are terrible
- Camera angle on corners
- Hitting the post/crossbar occurs FAR too often
- 'Outside of the foot' shots happen too often (Seems unrealistic. How often do players in real life score 1-on1's with the outside of their boot?)

[sweetkilla]

hitting the post/crossbar is the most annoying form me 9/10 1v1's end up that way for me! I have my shooting on semi so tht could be the reason but still its ridiculous lol!

[kevano22]

I play on semi and i hardly ever hit the post or bar.
Also i dont see the problem with the advantage rule?
Hopefully the FKs will be tweaked and shooting wont change too much because i love it how it is :)

[Keith Houchen]

Browsing all the usual forums over the past week, one constant from FIFA09 sceptics has been "the players all turn too slowly", or words to that effect.

This has puzzled me all week, and it still puzzles me. I just played a few games on the demo and deliberately chose to just run about with the ball in space, with various players. The turning and ball control was nimble, quick, intuitive, and highly responsive. There was no sluggishness at all. If anything, it was all a bit suspiciously PES-like.

So what are the 'sluggish players' lobby talking about? Are they talking about trying to turn whilst holding sprint? I can't see how they can be, because even in PES you can't turn quickly whilst holding sprint. If anyone has an explanation for it I'd love to know. My own theory is that it's just become a 'thing to say', along with the usual one about only loving the licenses, the flashy graphics, etc.

[Chris Davies]

This time in 2 weeks Bauer will have found the 1st flaws :LOL:
This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:

Browsing all the usual forums over the past week, one constant from FIFA09 sceptics has been "the players all turn too slowly", or words to that effect.

This has puzzled me all week, and it still puzzles me. I just played a few games on the demo and deliberately chose to just run about with the ball in space, with various players. The turning and ball control was nimble, quick, intuitive, and highly responsive. There was no sluggishness at all. If anything, it was all a bit suspiciously PES-like.

So what are the 'sluggish players' lobby talking about? Are they talking about trying to turn whilst holding sprint? I can't see how they can be, because even in PES you can't turn quickly whilst holding sprint. If anyone has an explanation for it I'd love to know. My own theory is that it's just become a 'thing to say', along with the usual one about only loving the licenses, the flashy graphics, etc.

Keith, I like you. That's what I'm thinking as well. As Gomito said perfectly, I was watching the Marseille v Liverpool game, then afterwards I put the FIFA 09 demo on and appreciated just how close to realism the game is.

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar. Referees card-happy? No, because in reality if you slide-tackle and miss the ball completely you will get a card. Don't press slide-tackle unless you're sure you'll win it. I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is perfect, but those things aren't faults. You just have to learn to play the game and, if you know enough about real football (i.e. you don't sprint for 90 minutes alá PES), it won't take forever.

God help us if these people have a say in the changes made in the next FIFA. They have everything they want in PES, let them play that.

[Cammey]

This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:

Lucky boy :coolpink:

[Keith Houchen]

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar.

What I think is affecting the new-style FIFA's reception (last year and this) is that for a decade PES has been the only point of reference. That's why we get people saying the FIFA09 shooting is 'wrong'. Wrong in comparison to what? To PES, of course.

In its own terms, FIFA09's shooting mechanic isn't 'wrong' at all - it just needs to be learned and used according to its own lights. (The shooting in particular is a massive plus-point for me in FIFA09. After reading about 'Bobby Charlton' goals here, I'm still trying to score one myself.)

[kellex]

The Norwegian free mag: Gamereactor, has done it again! They just gave a "review" of fifa 09. It took half a page and said the same thing they said about euro 08. <Still same old fifa were NOTHING have changed> :LOL: They did give the game 7/10 but fifa would strugle against pes ths year..Pisses me of, it used to be a good mag but thats it for me! For all who have played the demo knows its a hole new game! And god forbid if you talk against pes in the forums cause then you will "hear it". I gave a review of both fifa 08 and pes 08. And giving pes a 2/10 score mentioning all the flaws about the game all you get back is <this review sucks> and other short biching answers:censor:
The reason I mention this is..well I love you guys and this forum! Yes, there some here that are closed minded and cant seem to argue in an adult fashion. But most of all I like the enthusiasm here when a new footy game comes out:))

Ps: The demo still rules and I cant wait for the game! Everyday I see something new in the game. Finally I think we got a footy game that gives that good old feeling ;))

[airjoca]

I too, have been watching a lot of football lately (Premiership, La Liga, CL, UEFA cup, and many times I thought to myself: "That's just so FIFA09-esque"...

It's true, most people's conception of football is through PES.

[Coopz]

Yeah and hopefully they don't fall into the "players turn to slow" and "shots are not powerful enough" trap that PES has created

because if they do is will lose its realism

[gomito#10]

This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:



Keith, I like you. That's what I'm thinking as well. As Gomito said perfectly, I was watching the Marseille v Liverpool game, then afterwards I put the FIFA 09 demo on and appreciated just how close to realism the game is.

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar. Referees card-happy? No, because in reality if you slide-tackle and miss the ball completely you will get a card. Don't press slide-tackle unless you're sure you'll win it. I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is perfect, but those things aren't faults. You just have to learn to play the game and, if you know enough about real football (i.e. you don't sprint for 90 minutes alá PES), it won't take forever.

God help us if these people have a say in the changes made in the next FIFA. They have everything they want in PES, let them play that.
I dont think the 10 v 10 is gonna work, i think we should do a 2 v 2 league off the bat....... cmon jack do it! :) no one v one 2 v 2 mate

[Morto10]

In its own terms, FIFA09's shooting mechanic isn't 'wrong' at all - it just needs to be learned and used according to its own lights. (The shooting in particular is a massive plus-point for me in FIFA09. After reading about 'Bobby Charlton' goals here, I'm still trying to score one myself.)

Well for me its not that i have to learn how to shoot that annoys the hell out of me its the way the ball travels in the air seems practically the same shitty floaty shots. Because of this the shooting and scoring goals seems very boring to me cause once i've seen one I feel i've seen them all.

I find myself in the arena trying everything i can to get the ball to move different but it's constantly the same, no dipping shots, one's with wicked curl or mishits.

Its good that they put these shots in that rise up but why take out the other shots and i also think the shooting animations are a bit quick.

The shooting is the only problem I have with this demo i love everything else but shooting is so important that if its not fixed it will really break the game for me.

[Nick Cave]

I play on semi and i hardly ever hit the post or bar.
Also i dont see the problem with the advantage rule?
Hopefully the FKs will be tweaked and shooting wont change too much because i love it how it is :)

I must admit i hit the bar and post far more than happens in real life games...

[Tim7]

Well for me its not that i have to learn how to shoot that annoys the hell out of me its the way the ball travels in the air seems practically the same shitty floaty shots. Because of this the shooting and scoring goals seems very boring to me cause once i've seen one I feel i've seen them all.

I find myself in the arena trying everything i can to get the ball to move different but it's constantly the same, no dipping shots, one's with wicked curl or mishits.

Its good that they put these shots in that rise up but why take out the other shots and i also think the shooting animations are a bit quick.

The shooting is the only problem I have with this demo i love everything else but shooting is so important that if its not fixed it will really break the game for me.
Thank you! That is exactly what I've been saying too, it's not the fact that shots go over, as they do, as CB quite rightly pointed out if they didn't we would have 5-5 games every week. But it's the way the shots move in the air to the goal, rubbish.

[Chris Davies]

What I think is affecting the new-style FIFA's reception (last year and this) is that for a decade PES has been the only point of reference. That's why we get people saying the FIFA09 shooting is 'wrong'. Wrong in comparison to what? To PES, of course.
Yep, exactly what I said on here a week or two ago; you play a game so long, and read how much of a simulation it is on every website and in every magazine, that when you play something else each difference will be automatically met with feelings of "I don't like that, that's not realistic". But of course, it is.

Had I played PES5 onwards as regularly as I did with games like ISS Pro Evo 2 on the PSone, I probably would have had that same mindset. But I don't hammer games like I did before, and so the way I see the game is affected by a balance of playing football games occasionally, watching real-life football and playing real-life football as well. So thankfully I can appreciate FIFA 09 for what it really is, rather than say "it's not like PES so I don't like it, it's not right".

[gameklip]

This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:



Keith, I like you. That's what I'm thinking as well. As Gomito said perfectly, I was watching the Marseille v Liverpool game, then afterwards I put the FIFA 09 demo on and appreciated just how close to realism the game is.

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar. Referees card-happy? No, because in reality if you slide-tackle and miss the ball completely you will get a card. Don't press slide-tackle unless you're sure you'll win it. I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is perfect, but those things aren't faults. You just have to learn to play the game and, if you know enough about real football (i.e. you don't sprint for 90 minutes alá PES), it won't take forever.

God help us if these people have a say in the changes made in the next FIFA. They have everything they want in PES, let them play that.

nailed it.

if you want the ping-pong, sensible football in 3D then head "elsewhere". EA are going for something entirely different. In real life only few can turn sharply at full pace. No one can shoot on the run. In Fifa if you hold LT/L2 you will get a better shot and turn more effectively. With Joe Cole's i've needled my way between players. If you combine that with simple feints with the trick stick (flick up and down) you have enough to beat the defenders. Any easier and they have the same problem as PES where you can run the length with Rio and lay it off for a goal EACH TIME.

[hitmanuk]

http://www.360voice.com/game.asp?game=FIFA+09

people are playing it peeps...3 people registered on here have been playing..EA SPorts employees maybe?

[gameklip]

btw, you can always do with a bigger variety of shots but i've seen some real great vids online (saw an unbelievable drogba dipping smash) so i'm not too worried. i'm convinced there's a trick to corners and free kicks. i pulled off a perfect one the other day (corner) with just the right bend. (you don't hold the curl down all the way to the screen (angle) change.

hitmanuk: must be EA game testers who got it early. love the achievements this year. score a screamer!!

[evacuate]

What I think is affecting the new-style FIFA's reception (last year and this) is that for a decade PES has been the only point of reference. That's why we get people saying the FIFA09 shooting is 'wrong'. Wrong in comparison to what? To PES, of course.


Personally I don't agree with you on this one. Compared to 08 and Euro 08, the shots in FIFA 09 is way more like in PES. To me Euro 08 had the most realistic shots, because you could hit screamers that had a little dip and then a variety of topspin shots that all felt different. Problem was that you couldn't hit those rising shots like in 09, but now it feels like all you can do is those type of shots. Like someone said, it feels like every shot is the same... it actually feels a little scripted, like PES.

I personally hope they tweak it a bit to be between Euro and 09, because shots that dip in the end happens way more often in real life. Then from time to time someone hit those Riise shots (FIFA 09).

[deathcab001]

This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:



Keith, I like you. That's what I'm thinking as well. As Gomito said perfectly, I was watching the Marseille v Liverpool game, then afterwards I put the FIFA 09 demo on and appreciated just how close to realism the game is.

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar. Referees card-happy? No, because in reality if you slide-tackle and miss the ball completely you will get a card. Don't press slide-tackle unless you're sure you'll win it. I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is perfect, but those things aren't faults. You just have to learn to play the game and, if you know enough about real football (i.e. you don't sprint for 90 minutes alá PES), it won't take forever.

God help us if these people have a say in the changes made in the next FIFA. They have everything they want in PES, let them play that.

Exactly! in the same way that all shots aren't on target, how many sliding tackles do you actually see in a match? usually not many, and to stop players constantly sliding in the game is to be much more strict with cards.

Add to that - when you do get one exactly right. it looks awesome, and its VERY satisfying

[wan_d7]

Personally I don't agree with you on this one. Compared to 08 and Euro 08, the shots in FIFA 09 is way more like in PES. To me Euro 08 had the most realistic shots, because you could hit screamers that had a little dip and then a variety of topspin shots that all felt different. Problem was that you couldn't hit those rising shots like in 09, but now it feels like all you can do is those type of shots. Like someone said, it feels like every shot is the same... it actually feels a little scripted, like PES.

I personally hope they tweak it a bit to be between Euro and 09, because shots that dip in the end happens way more often in real life. Then from time to time someone hit those Riise shots (FIFA 09).

Well for me its not that i have to learn how to shoot that annoys the hell out of me its the way the ball travels in the air seems practically the same shitty floaty shots. Because of this the shooting and scoring goals seems very boring to me cause once i've seen one I feel i've seen them all.

I find myself in the arena trying everything i can to get the ball to move different but it's constantly the same, no dipping shots, one's with wicked curl or mishits.

Its good that they put these shots in that rise up but why take out the other shots and i also think the shooting animations are a bit quick.

The shooting is the only problem I have with this demo i love everything else but shooting is so important that if its not fixed it will really break the game for me.

Thank you! That is exactly what I've been saying too, it's not the fact that shots go over, as they do, as CB quite rightly pointed out if they didn't we would have 5-5 games every week. But it's the way the shots move in the air to the goal, rubbish.

+1 for all of you. we have the same thought i guess,and we all didn't say this game is bad,just pointing out something that maybe fix for each other good. i hope some people understand.

[Shazam!]

Do we know if the stadiums have been fixed? In reality, the crowd is quite close to the pitch at say Anfield or Stamford Bridge but in previous FIFA games they were miles away.

[jonneymendoza]

This time in two weeks? TWO WEEKS? Give me some credit.

At FSB we get review copies. Two weeks? I'll be moaning about the flaws sooner than that.

:twisted:



Keith, I like you. That's what I'm thinking as well. As Gomito said perfectly, I was watching the Marseille v Liverpool game, then afterwards I put the FIFA 09 demo on and appreciated just how close to realism the game is.

Shots going over the bar? Happens all the time, otherwise games would be 5-5 every week. Learn how to tame the power-bar. Referees card-happy? No, because in reality if you slide-tackle and miss the ball completely you will get a card. Don't press slide-tackle unless you're sure you'll win it. I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is perfect, but those things aren't faults. You just have to learn to play the game and, if you know enough about real football (i.e. you don't sprint for 90 minutes alá PES), it won't take forever.

God help us if these people have a say in the changes made in the next FIFA. They have everything they want in PES, let them play that.
spot on lad. i like fifa as it is. making it "easier" to shoot will just fuck up the game

[ZiqXx]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I am PES convert so I know very little about FIFA...

How can I select which player takes a free kick for me that is neither a Direct free kick nor a long direct free kick. I am talking about those free kicks that are for example in or around the corner area, I seem to be unable to select a kicker for certain free kicks. Is there something that I don't notice here or what ??

[Nick Cave]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I am PES convert so I know very little about FIFA...

How can I select which player takes a free kick for me that is neither a Direct free kick nor a long direct free kick. I am talking about those free kicks that are for example in or around the corner area, I seem to be unable to select a kicker for certain free kicks. Is there something that I don't notice here or what ??
You can select kick takers in the menu system, the same as you would to make a sub or change tactics...

[jonneymendoza]

check the formation menu

[wan_d7]

yeah i would like to know too cuz in PC version you could just hold the R1 and choose your player with the d-pad.

[ZiqXx]

Yeah I know about the kick taker selection in the menu screen but sometimes the players that I select there don't take my free kicks specially the free kicks that are to the sides of the pitch. I'll try the R1 + d-pad thanks.

[airjoca]

I know there is a separate video thread, but I like to show off. :lol:

So here is my 2nd compilation:

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Compilation 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nvVHUyb-78)

I like the "Just keeps coming round again" part. :)

[Nick Cave]

Yeah I know about the kick taker selection in the menu screen but sometimes the players that I select there don't take my free kicks specially the free kicks that are to the sides of the pitch. I'll try the R1 + d-pad thanks.

You can change it during the game too...

[luke909]

On the subject of freekicks, what are the buttons when you select a second player to

A) Lay it off
B) Let the second player take it

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

[ZiqXx]

L2 + X will lay it off don't know how you would let him take it

[gomito#10]

I know there is a separate video thread, but I like to show off. :lol:

So here is my 2nd compilation:

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Compilation 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nvVHUyb-78)

I like the "Just keeps coming round again" part. :)
mate, do you think its easier to do the moves on ps3, your really fucking good at them

[Bitter Rivals]

I know there is a separate video thread, but I like to show off. :lol:

So here is my 2nd compilation:

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Compilation 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nvVHUyb-78)

I like the "Just keeps coming round again" part. :)

what level difficulty is that on

btw i enjoyed that good stuff

[brunnoce]

nice video airjoca!!

Best thing for me was Lampard's goal at 3:22!!!
those were impossible in past fifas...i love it!

btw how do u protect the ball like u did with milan gk? is it with the pace control/special dribles button?

[Joe]

Wow I have just noticed that Cisse has two Tattoo's on his neck!

[reddevils]

when shielding how do you change direction :eek:

to shield its hold down the sprint button without giving direction right?

[luke909]

The skills button and tricks stick.

[airjoca]

mate, do you think its easier to do the moves on ps3, your really fucking good at them

I've played the PS3 demo a few times, but I simply need the 360 pad for this game.

Still, I'd say it's almost the same on both consoles.

what level difficulty is that on

btw i enjoyed that good stuff

Mostly on Intermediate (Professional), a few on Experienced (World Class).

I really think the difficulty in the demo is toned down though.

[kouroux]

Airjoca, congrats for your video compilation. It really makes me wanna order the game now whereas i'm really skint

[Blaccat]

Toronto are really starting to piss me off, i beat real 3 nil but lose 2 nil Toronto AGAIN!!!!!

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Toronto are really starting to piss me off, i beat real 3 nil but lose 2 nil Toronto AGAIN!!!!!

Im glad someone else has noticed that. I too beat Real easy and then struggle big time against Toronto!! Same thing happend in Fifa 08 too where the weaker teams were a bitch to beat!.

[gameklip]

mate, do you think its easier to do the moves on ps3, your really fucking good at them

yep, it's easier for me anyway.

[Kallinn]

How do i do a fake Rabona?

[BobbyBox]

How do i do a fake Rabona?

Stick a Banana down your trousers :DD

[Kallinn]

LOL

[gameklip]

how do you move while shielding?

[pepper63]

it seems the bigger physical teams do well in this demo, Toronto are a bitch to get by sometimes, Obi Mikel is a strong fucker wins almost all the tackles i've put him in.

[SPMC]

@gameklip,

without touching the directional stick, they automaticaly pivot to keep the ball away from the single closest defender.

i like the new shielding, but sometimes i just want to R2 stop the ball, without the pivoting.

[gameklip]

oh cool :D

[SPMC]

oh cool :D
i'm surprised you haven't tried it yet.

i used it alot in FIFA08, but you had to make sure your player's back was facing the defender first. it still had the neat shoving/pushing animation, just not the pivoting.

[winston]

Why is it when I press shoot, I cannot move that player again until such time as the keeper, or another player, has touched the ball?

[Nick Cave]

Why is it when I press shoot, I cannot move that player again until such time as the keeper, or another player, has touched the ball?
Not noticed that will have to check it out...

[airjoca]

GamesMaster review: 90%

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0015vq8ed1.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8525/scan0016tt8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9339/scan0017va6.jpg

Pics are huge. :)

Edit2: fixed

[Nick Cave]

GamesMaster review: 90%

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7860/scan0015vq8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8525/scan0016tt8.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9339/scan0017va6.jpg

Pics are huge. :)
:LOL: It's like downloading porn images on an old dial up...

[Chris Davies]

Haha, I got the last two fine, but the first one has been going for five minutes and it's only an eighth of the way down... I'll wait for someone to mirror it methinks...!

[kouroux]

holy shit,so slow

[airjoca]

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/340407-bad-news.html

It's from this thread, I've already asked for a re-upload of the first page. Fingers crossed. :)

[Nick Cave]

It's weird the first one must have a NASA encryption...

[airjoca]

First page:

http://img225.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71990_scan0015vq8_122_354lo.jpg

Edit: re-uploaded it to imageshack:

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0015vq8ed1.jpg

[reddevils]

that that review is awesome news because gamesmaster have been very harsh on previous FIFA games

looking great!!

[Machines]

Hey guys,

A bit late to the party and to the forums but just finally got a chance to play the demo for an extended period of time. Even went so far as to load up FIFA 08 and Euro just to do a little chronological comparison. 09 is incredible. It feels even snappier than Euro in my opinion. I love the fact that the goal finally looks bigger/goalkeeper looks smaller. Always looked like there was a giant back there defending and now there's actually space to squeak goals by. I scored a breakaway with Drogba and actually felt like I placed the ball exactly where I wanted it to go. Really can't wait for 09 to come out.

That said, anybody else notice the difference in how the players move as compared to FIFA 08? In 08 the running animation looked so smooth and fluid. In Euro they tweaked it to have more of a "bounce" to it. It looks almost rigid at times. In 09 it seems even more exaggerated. Why'd they change it? The movement of the players looked perfect (aside from collisions and whatnot) that I'm very curious as to why they felt the need to make that change.

That's really my only "gripe" with the game. I guess you don't really notice it when you're fully into the game and it's definitely a nit-picky thing, but it is something that caught my attention and raised the question.

[riboflavin]

I dont think you can force opponent to your controller settings (i.e. all manual), I still have not seen anything about it. I asked in the EA fifa forums, not like they are know it all, but no one seemed to agree with that. I was still looking for confirmation on that, anyone confirm?

[Machines]

I dont think you can force opponent to your controller settings (i.e. all manual), I still have not seen anything about it. I asked in the EA fifa forums, not like they are know it all, but no one seemed to agree with that. I was still looking for confirmation on that, anyone confirm?

Pretty sure you can't force someone, but I do remember reading somewhere that you'll be able to see what configuration they are using before you actually enter a game with them. I would assume that also means there is the potential for "all manual" lobbies and stuff like that.

[world`soccer]

Guys After a deep gameplay in this master peace demo i think FIFA 09 will be the best footy game for years now its wonderful for anyone realy love soccer and a real fan of any team in the world coz its make you live the match and every moment in it ,, but thers is some points plz EA fix them and it will be 100% all the day playing game :

1- crossing: its realy hard to cross now and when u cross the ball will not be delivered to your CF or even near him ,,

2- passing: too slow to respond by the players

3-high through pass its not like before its useless for me now in euro 2008 it was wonderfull

thats all for me wish EA fix them thanks

[jflores]

Don't know why but on one of those pics in the scans, I am almost sure that it is a PS3 pic. The reason for this is that the Nets look a lot more loose on the Juve in the box pic. The 360 version's nets are tighter and don't animate as well. I think I will stick with the PS3 version. Player models are looking improved as well. Good to read that the shooting is great.

[gameklip]

lol, for the millionth time, the net tensity varies in each stadium. the stadiums in both demos are different.

[Machines]

Don't know why but on one of those pics in the scans, I am almost sure that it is a PS3 pic. The reason for this is that the Nets look a lot more loose on the Juve in the box pic. The 360 version's nets are tighter and don't animate as well. I think I will stick with the PS3 version. Player models are looking improved as well. Good to read that the shooting is great.

If it's a matter of knowing which one is the lead platform I'm almost certain the FIFA franchise (and nearly all EA Sports titles at this point) are developed on PS3 first. FIFA is always demoed on a PS3 for live events and stuff like that.

[wan_d7]

i think the net varies in each stadium mate. so, ps3 and xb360 demo had different stadium right. anyway,i love the ps3 digital adboard. sweet. :LOL:

[wan_d7]

biggest problem for me is the slow reaction from the player who receiving a pass and also stupid goalkeeper. the ball he suppose to catch easily,he won't do it. he will stood there waiting for the ball until the opponent shoot to the goal he will only dive. sigh

[drekkard]

To those moaning about the way weaker:

I had the same annoyment at the beggining :((, but now I don't find Toronto to be difficult anymore. I can win them almost everytime, it's just a matter od adjusting your tactics to your opponent, and it feels so great and so deep in the demo that I can't stop trying different things. Oh, and I play intermediate, don't like very much the level of cheats in World Class :ROLL:. Intermediate makes it far more realistic to me.

Try with different tactics settings and different formations and you'll see the difference. One of the critical points of Fifa and Euro was the way all the teams played the same. That's really great in fifa 09. That's what I've found:

Toronto presses a lot your defense, you'll have to break the pression to beat them. It's not hard once you know the trick. It's easy to pass around the back four or the DM until one of them receives the ball with a little of space. Then you simply run upwards breaking the first pression line and all the field is your then to try long balls or through passes to your wingmen, or even pivoting with your striker is quite effective to create spaces. It's difficult to mark the tall striker, just don't let them cross, I even foul them when they try to mount a counter and I'm in inferiority, just like I would in real life, even if I get a card. Their midfield and defense is positionally weak and slow. The keeper is not very good ;)).

Marseille plays a counterattack play, relying on the speed and shooting of Cissé. You can play them by pressing their defenders high up and passing a lot when in possession, not letting them run, try to make tactical fouls to break their counters. Playing against them makes for an open match most of the times. The keeper is short, shoot up and try diagonal shots and he won't reach the ball.

Schalke tries to outmuscle you and crosses a lot, playing Kuranyi as a reference and Altintop and Farfan looking for spaces. If you go physical against them, you'll loose. Their midfield is strong but the defenders are slow. You can try possession and slow play when you're attacking static, not risking the ball, playing a lot of 1-2s and sometimes letting them go up and hit them quickly on a counter and they'll suffer :EASY:.

Milan are slow, really, if you run against them, they will suffer! But they can destroy you if you give them too much possession, because the forwards are really skillfull and can skin your defense pretty easy. I try to outrun their wings and cross a lot against them. Or play with a paceful striker and do long balls.

Madrid are the most fun team to play against :TWIST:. They play an open attacking style of play. That means you will have chances, but they also will. They score easily, so don't try to attack them openly everytime or they will find space. The best way to playh them is a physical play, trying to slow the pace of the game, making it dirty and ugly to watch, but effective.

Chelsea are powerful and quick, they're like a chameleon because they can combine most of the other teams ways to play. If you are weak in the midfield, you'll suffer. To me it's the most difficult team to beat.

To conclude, I' found great differences by changing the sliders and the players. Maybe if you watch only the individuality theere isn't enough difference in certain aspects, such as the tackling, but it's the result of eleven players plus tactics that makes your team weak or strong, and I like it. It's a GENERAL overview, sometimes you get lucky and score and sometimes you don't and yuo loose.

Of course there is room for improvement... a lot! And you have the feeling that scoring a goal will change the balance of the play and the way the game develops, and I love it. In the demo, when I score I can easily have more chances as the other team stretches to look for an equilizer, and against weaker teams I feel that if I score 1, I will score 2 or 3 and many times it's like that.

It's not perfect, though. Pression is a little bit overdone in my opinion and sometimes Strenght is too definitory, and skill is kind of hammered by strength, but it's a long way from euro and I hope that all those things don't get lost in the final build. I also hope that in the full game, playing 6 or 7 minutes per half will accentuate the difference, because stamina plays a big part in fifa (in euro it was ignored) and the score really changes the way it plays.

I will have two styles in this game: the finesse possession pure Barcelona style to bring my mates to boredom and then sting them quickly and the dirty dog fighting, long shooting and heading play of the premier.

Oh, and manual thourgh ball needs a tweak right now! It's to slow to power up!

[DagsJT]

Having not played the demo for over a week, I've just fired it up and, for some reason, the Slow speed really did feel slow! Had a cracking few games, some lovely build-up play and really enjoyed it again :))

I also think that playing on Intermediate is a better game as well.

[matt1288]

I tried playing it today, however, with a flu the game just feels weird so I turned the 360 off.

But before I got sick, I played a few games in a row, and I continue to enjoy the plays, the passing and I'm loving the long balls which work perfectly now.

[cb7]

To those moaning about the way weaker:

I had the same annoyment at the beggining :((, but now I don't find Toronto to be difficult anymore. I can win them almost everytime, it's just a matter od adjusting your tactics to your opponent, and it feels so great and so deep in the demo that I can't stop trying different things. Oh, and I play intermediate, don't like very much the level of cheats in World Class :ROLL:. Intermediate makes it far more realistic to me.

Try with different tactics settings and different formations and you'll see the difference. One of the critical points of Fifa and Euro was the way all the teams played the same. That's really great in fifa 09. That's what I've found:

Toronto presses a lot your defense, you'll have to break the pression to beat them. It's not hard once you know the trick. It's easy to pass around the back four or the DM until one of them receives the ball with a little of space. Then you simply run upwards breaking the first pression line and all the field is your then to try long balls or through passes to your wingmen, or even pivoting with your striker is quite effective to create spaces. It's difficult to mark the tall striker, just don't let them cross, I even foul them when they try to mount a counter and I'm in inferiority, just like I would in real life, even if I get a card. Their midfield and defense is positionally weak and slow. The keeper is not very good ;)).

Marseille plays a counterattack play, relying on the speed and shooting of Cissé. You can play them by pressing their defenders high up and passing a lot when in possession, not letting them run, try to make tactical fouls to break their counters. Playing against them makes for an open match most of the times. The keeper is short, shoot up and try diagonal shots and he won't reach the ball.

Schalke tries to outmuscle you and crosses a lot, playing Kuranyi as a reference and Altintop and Farfan looking for spaces. If you go physical against them, you'll loose. Their midfield is strong but the defenders are slow. You can try possession and slow play when you're attacking static, not risking the ball, playing a lot of 1-2s and sometimes letting them go up and hit them quickly on a counter and they'll suffer :EASY:.

Milan are slow, really, if you run against them, they will suffer! But they can destroy you if you give them too much possession, because the forwards are really skillfull and can skin your defense pretty easy. I try to outrun their wings and cross a lot against them. Or play with a paceful striker and do long balls.

Madrid are the most fun team to play against :TWIST:. They play an open attacking style of play. That means you will have chances, but they also will. They score easily, so don't try to attack them openly everytime or they will find space. The best way to playh them is a physical play, trying to slow the pace of the game, making it dirty and ugly to watch, but effective.

Chelsea are powerful and quick, they're like a chameleon because they can combine most of the other teams ways to play. If you are weak in the midfield, you'll suffer. To me it's the most difficult team to beat.

To conclude, I' found great differences by changing the sliders and the players. Maybe if you watch only the individuality theere isn't enough difference in certain aspects, such as the tackling, but it's the result of eleven players plus tactics that makes your team weak or strong, and I like it. It's a GENERAL overview, sometimes you get lucky and score and sometimes you don't and yuo loose.

Of course there is room for improvement... a lot! And you have the feeling that scoring a goal will change the balance of the play and the way the game develops, and I love it. In the demo, when I score I can easily have more chances as the other team stretches to look for an equilizer, and against weaker teams I feel that if I score 1, I will score 2 or 3 and many times it's like that.

It's not perfect, though. Pression is a little bit overdone in my opinion and sometimes Strenght is too definitory, and skill is kind of hammered by strength, but it's a long way from euro and I hope that all those things don't get lost in the final build. I also hope that in the full game, playing 6 or 7 minutes per half will accentuate the difference, because stamina plays a big part in fifa (in euro it was ignored) and the score really changes the way it plays.

I will have two styles in this game: the finesse possession pure Barcelona style to bring my mates to boredom and then sting them quickly and the dirty dog fighting, long shooting and heading play of the premier.

Oh, and manual thourgh ball needs a tweak right now! It's to slow to power up!

Absolutely spot on, you can definitely feel the different kind of approach from team to team, great tactical work from EA. This is one of the best posts i've seen lately, cheers drekkard!

[Ferraritim]

I didn't have much time to play this demo yet. But now I played some matches and I'm having difficulties with through passes. They seem to lack power if I hold the button longer. Am I doing something wrong?

[Radiation]

Did anyone see Playr today?

They had some fifa 09 on and one goal they showed looks very impressive. Gerrard was standing near the penalty spot with the ball - he then put his foot on the top, rolled it backwards and then flicked / back heeled the ball towards the goal behind him and it went into the back of the net. But then did leave me wondering - if the morons at playr can score those goals then does that mean we'll see it all the time?

[wan_d7]

about the through pass,Ferraritim, i do feel the same. just need to tweak a bit more cuz the pass seems to be weak. and if i press much longer the ball will blow over.

[Placebo]

I wasn't aware that Be A Pro had the option for friends to join into your matches at any time, and even play as the opposition, that's really cool, although the review says it's three seasons when it is four I believe?

Good review anyways.

[Chris Davies]

According to ThomasGOAL over in the PES thread, PES 2009 got 88% in this month's PSM3, whilst FIFA 09 got 83%. Bit disappointing, especially since they actually say about PES, "everything is the same" and "the lack of changes is starting to grate". They must be very very patient, that started to grate with me around PES4/5...

[sweetkilla]

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look at the above picture lol at the reviewer did they forget in fifa that you can actually have an ''any'' control the defence and other plays not been used I plan on having a fifa club team of ''4'' players and me as the any and I love controlling the defence rather than letting the cpu do it! what a shite opinion! you can still focus on attackers and midfielders if you want to but also gives the option for som1 to control the D if they wish 2! fucking shit head of a reviewer (giving you more choices is bad apparently)

PSM reviews Fifa 09
83/100

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They also reviewed PES 2009 in the same mag and gave it 88/100

[Chris Davies]

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None of those links work Sweetkilla, you haven't copied them properly, you've copied the shortened versions (with the three dots in)...

[sweetkilla]

None of those links work Sweetkilla, you haven't copied them properly, you've copied the shortened versions (with the three dots in)...

sorry I will just link you to the forum its in on fifa 09 site

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/340683-psm-reviews-fifa-09-a.html

[Chris Davies]

I've updated your original post and fixed the links. :thumbup:

It's an interesting review. I like the way they say it's frustrating to be "cheated by a lucky bounce" but in the PES review they don't say "half the deflections will land inch-perfectly at the feet of an oncoming opposition player, over and over and over again, because the game isn't using a real physics engine and therefore can hardly qualify as real football"...

Also, the way they say that they prefer PES's "40-yard belters", yet years ago they would say "FIFA is crap because it's so easy and every goal is a crazy spectacular wonder-goal from 40 yards out".

All the negative reviews seem to say the same thing, "it's too realistic to be fun"; so EA can't win with them, because in the past PES won all the accolades for being the "most realistic" and FIFA was "too arcade".

[sweetkilla]

I've updated your original post and fixed the links. :thumbup:

It's an interesting review. I like the way they say it's frustrating to be "cheated by a lucky bounce" but in the PES review they don't say "half the deflections will land inch-perfectly at the feet of an oncoming opposition player, over and over and over again, because the game isn't using a real physics engine and therefore can hardly qualify as real football"...


thanks CB :) and yep funny isn't it o well I should just ignore magazines from now on can't believe I used to depend on their opinion before a purchase!

[Bingham67]

It usual bias bs same every year oh well one person opinion end of day.

Cant beleive still can give game 88% yet say it lacks ideas i had enough of same old experience yonks ago.

[CW]

All reviewers are biased in one way or another with many of the current people we see reviewing both games being people who grew up adoring PES. There is just no way that we will see an unbiased magazine review of any footy game

[DagsJT]

Anyone else think the ref plays advantage for far too long?

And I've just fouled their player in my area, play on, they score ... but the ref pulls it back for a penalty :SHAKE:

[BillyBoy]

Most of us know what football game is going to better this year and its clearly FIFA 09. Less than 2 weeks left till we have the game in our hands.

[Chris Davies]

Anyone else think the ref plays advantage for far too long?

And I've just fouled their player in my area, play on, they score ... but the ref pulls it back for a penalty :SHAKE:
Quite a few people have mentioned advantage problems, they certainly have in this thread somewhere in the last three or four pages. And the GamesMaster review mentions it as well, which I like to see; it's a very positive review but then they prove that A) they're not just copy-and-pasting EA's own PR and B) they've actually sat down and given the game a good play.

The second thing you mention was in FIFA 08 as well if I remember rightly, shame it's not been fixed yet.

[Bingham67]

Anyone else think the ref plays advantage for far too long?

And I've just fouled their player in my area, play on, they score ... but the ref pulls it back for a penalty :SHAKE:

Yeh and another point with they play on far to long you skinned a defender through on goal and ref blows whistle pulls it back.

So annoying happened when was playing against friend in mp last night so many times but same thing was in fifa 08 so nothing new but hoping be fixed.

[airjoca]

1- crossing: its realy hard to cross now and when u cross the ball will not be delivered to your CF or even near him ,,

2- passing: too slow to respond by the players

3-high through pass its not like before its useless for me now in euro 2008 it was wonderfull



1. Hold the cross button longer. I had that problem at first, but then I adapted to it.

2. I disagree, I think it's perfect.

3. High through balls are probably the way I've been scoring the most goals, so... Disagree as well. :)

[kouroux]

I trust review from the guys over here (Airjoca and CB having a special mention) because last year when they tried the demo of FIFA 08 and after the complete game everything they said about it was true as i experienced it myself. This is why negative reviews won't bother me at all

[Jore2]

Had mates playing poker with me other night. Then others left and we continued evening with FIFA 09 demo. First comment about it was mate telling how good crosses are compared to PES. He is "HC PES player" so it was very honest truth. It's so much harder(realistic) to make usefull cross, but same time you have alll the opportunities to cross how ever you want and where to you want.

[drekkard]

PES players can't understand how this game is played. Like Dr Force moaning about the slowliness of the game and "repetitive" goals. Maybe they need a shallow game, where SQUARE scores, CIRCLE crosses to the head of your striker and X makes a perfect marble ball pass and you can turn in a dime. I'm really sorry to the people that is missing all the impressive things I'm having with the demo.

Today I scored some goals I had never seen in a video game, like Snejder shooting from long range and I watched Raul getting into the trajetory of the ball. I pressed square and Raul got a header completely changing the ball's path and fooling the keeper.

Impressive. Having lots of things that were impossible in other footy games.

[sweetkilla]

I haven't scored a ''repetitive'' goal yet

all been different so far

score my 1st bicycle kick and header surprising the keeper :) and a scorcher of a finesse I ran onto from an angle so realistic

[wan_d7]

i haven't yet seen a repetitive goal, but 1 i see and i don't like it(of course it's the CPU goal) is the header. the header usually floating and lob the keeper,who gone out far away from the line, and i see this quite sometimes. annoy me a bit.

[WEtongelre]

Celebration mode is killing me :( this game is über awesome, but I don't even want to score all because the stupid camera when scoring! (dynamic camera)

[wan_d7]

doh...the advantage need to be tweak. when i fouled the CPU,the ref giving advantage far too long. and when it comes to me, bleh. few second the flags already down

[Rob92]

Celebration mode is killing me :( this game is über awesome, but I don't even want to score all because the stupid camera when scoring! (dynamic camera)I don't know how you can find the game fun on Dynamic (V1 or V2), they seem way too close and show very little of the pitch, and when FIFA relies on passing more than dribbling, I think being able to see all your options is crucial.

I think you should switch to Tele cam ;)) It can now be tweaked remember. Maybe Dynamic could even be tweaked so that you don't get the problem...

[Placebo]

Tele zoomed all the way out is the way to go :)

[Rob92]

Tele zoomed all the way out is the way to go :)Yep, that's what I play on - Fully zommed out and height up a couple of notches :)).

[Placebo]

I haven't decided what height works best for me yet, tried it at both ends, will try more when I get the full game soon™ :)