FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[Nick Cave]

Played a few games of the demo with a mate last night before sticking 08 back on, nothing like the same game in parts and 08 is soo sluggish by comparison...

[jonneymendoza]

08 has always been sluggish. i gave up play it around feb/march. i have never given up on its rival PES although the last PES diddnt get a say past teh first few days of having it but still, in the past i always played PES from teh day i bought it, to the day the new one comes out.

I hope i get that same feeling with 09 but for 08? ha that was a poor game BUT better then nothing

[Skylight]

Yeah, I've noticed that, looks like they've got rid of the annoying bug where the CPU GK won't release the ball while there is an attacker in the penalty area. This could lead to quick CPU counter attacks :)).

actually I meant, that the CPU Goalie throws the ball to MY attackers to give me easy goals
noticed that twice
I hope this will be solved

[Nick Cave]

Has anyone done a normal back heel in the demo, I have not played it too many times and the fact you could not do a simple back heel in 08 annoyed me. Not the shot towards goal thing off to the side, just a back heel on cue?...

[Trance_Allstar]

I posted this up on another board...anyone else notice this?

I think most people who are saying they blow shots way over the bar when shooting just dont have the right technique. I found that if you hold the sprint button and shoot that the shot will almost always fly way over. However if you let go of the sprint button just before you shoot, you will let off a cracker - which is very realistic in my opinion. How often do you see a player slow down just a little before he lets rip?

Try this technique out in the arena and I gurantee your shooting will improve.


Well, the reason I myself was a bit critical of the shooting was that if you are running full speed and shoot hard, I would expect not just shots going over, but also mishits that go very wide, or mishits that are driven into the ground and slowly bounce out of bounds. If you are sprinting full speed, I feel it is realistic to have the player have less control of the shot. :)


I am sorry you took my post as a dismissive tone towards the EA Forum, I expect there are many good posters on there. Yes, what I should have said was that IMO they prefer a more arcade game and not generalised the whole forum. No hard feelings :TU:

Well, maybe I misunderstood your tone a bit, like I said, it's not a big deal, just wanted to say something since there is so much "flaming" around here already, where people make comments and then throw in some type of insult at the end just to get someone else riled up. I meant no offence either, if my post came off as a bit crass. :)

[Trance_Allstar]

Has anyone done a normal back heel in the demo, I have not played it too many times and the fact you could not do a simple back heel in 08 annoyed me. Not the shot towards goal thing off to the side, just a back heel on cue?...

I had KAKA do a backheel on a one-touch pass. Looked sweet. Maybe I've done one normally, but I can't be sure.

[Nick Cave]

I had KAKA do a backheel on a one-touch pass. Looked sweet. Maybe I've done one normally, but I can't be sure.
They pop up from time to time, but i can't do one on tap, as it were...

[Placebo]

I just had John Terry sent off for calling the referee a fat cunt, but I was playing on ultra offensive......

[shieldslfc]

You know the guys from Wenb, do they have a Fifa version, heard a few of you referring to them, if so whats it called.

[Placebo]

You know the guys from Wenb, do they have a Fifa version, heard a few of you referring to them, if so whats it called.

FSB: http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/ technically it's a "sister site" but it's staffed by different people, Suff is still part of WENB but I'm sure he'll quit that and dedicate his life to Fifa as soon as he's safe from being lynched by PES fans ;)

[jonneymendoza]

has this been posted yet? http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=197042 basicly its a run down of how BAP clan works

[shieldslfc]

FSB: http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/ technically it's a "sister site" but it's staffed by different people, Suff is still part of WENB but I'm sure he'll quit that and dedicate his life to Fifa as soon as he's safe from being lynched by PES fans ;)

Cheers, just hoping to find out if any tweaks planned for final release. I know 08 demo was improved on by final release, so hoping this will be. Cant wait to get my hands on full game now, and start banging them in with Torres.

[Placebo]

has this been posted yet? http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=197042 basicly its a run down of how BAP clan works

Sheesh you even fucking typo your URLS!

[Scutch]

I've uploaded a back heel flick I scored. Considering I'm very new to this FIFA breed, not too bad, right? ;)

YouTube - FIFA 2009 Goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsiZnGkM_dg)

[Placebo]

Very sexy :)

[Scutch]

*Bows

Why thankyou, kind Sir.

The 2 minute thing is a right kick in the teeth, but I think its quite a clever ploy by EA, as it leaves you wanting more.

[gameklip]

I just had John Terry sent off for calling the referee a fat cunt, but I was playing on ultra offensive......

ba-dum-tish! :lol:

thanks for the advanced skills vid btw guys. its all very do-able but harder to do in-game under pressure (as it should be).

controlling the top players will be fun.

[BobbyBox]

I just had John Terry sent off for calling the referee a fat cunt, but I was playing on ultra offensive......

*Shakes head dissapprovingly*

[Placebo]

:(

Made me laugh!

[jonneymendoza]

Sheesh you even fucking typo your URLS!

here http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=197042 ;))

[evacuate]

Not sure I like the new shots. Often it seems you just have to tap the shot button to shoot a hard shot. But I want to hold it for a while and power up, it's a better feeling to me than just tap and then see a hard shot. I don't know, I'll probably get used to it. Like when you watch those Football Kingdom videos and the player powers up and you'll know there's gonna be a screamer.

[Slobber]

Any one else think the fonts on the player names on the back of the shirts is weird? Like it's stretched. :s

[Placebo]

here http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=197042 ;))

Better, but old news ;) http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2008/09/more-fifa-09-clubs-news-and-more-videos.html

[LemonJelly]

Well having played the demo all weekend, I figured I would post my impressions - not that they really matter. :)

Fundamentally it is leagues ahead of Fifa08. I found the 2008 version a chore to play, it was unresponsive, slow, bland and I couldn't get "into" it like I did the older PES versions. It didn't have that, "Just one more go" feeling about it.

2009 has that crucial element. They have fixed the responsiveness, the speed is up a fraction (on slow) and the custom camera is an absolute godsend. I'm playing the demo on the medium difficulty and that is fine for me at the moment, in fact I have hardly scored a goal, but that doesn't matter. Coming to think of it, in 15 or so matches I have only scored 1 goal, but at least it felt like I scored it.

I've not witnessed any glitches, although sometimes the ref is quick to get the red card out. That is especially strange when it's played as an advantage first. The fact that the CPU put in crunching tackles that are punished is fantastic in my book.

[Coopz]

My Mate nearly scored 2 cracking goals last night

one was a Di Canio style volley from kinda the same angle as his real goal that the keeper tipped over and the other was a back to goal swivel and volley that smashed the bar

how fluid and realistic the goals and attempts look in this game is unparalleled

[Tim7]

I just had John Terry sent off for calling the referee a fat cunt, but I was playing on ultra offensive......

I expect better from such an upstanding member of the community. How can you look at yourself in one of your many mirrors after a ban joke like that?

[Coopz]

I expect better from such an upstanding member of the community. How can you look at yourself in one of your many mirrors after a ban joke like that?

a ban joke?

Tim in spelling error shocker

[Tim7]

FUCK! :CRY:

[Placebo]

LMAO :)

[evacuate]

One thing that I find a little annoying is when you try to block at shot with a tackle and the ball goes wide and the player trips on you and get a penalty. The thing is I tackle in front of him and then he later runs in to me. Mostly in real life I would say there would not be a penalty because the situation is over because the attacker had already finished and even if he was tripped after or not it wouldn't affect the shot.

It's not a big deal but I usually want to try to cover shots but it's way to risky in 09 because if you just touch someone it's a penalty.

[Tim7]

^ Agreed. In real life the ref would see that it's a block, rather than a tackle and it wouldn't be a foul/penalty. But as it's a video game all they see is a late tackle and give the foul :((.

[Placebo]

Wouldn't the Newcastle v Hull penalty be somewhat similar?

[Tim7]

I didn't see it to be honest. Ah yes I did. And no that was nothing like it, the Hull attacker cut back and wasn't shooting, the Newcastle defender (Butt?), slid and missed the ball and hit the man. Penalty.

[evacuate]

Kind of, but the Hull player didn't shoot, so he could have taken the ball and scored if he wasn't taken down.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1559438/

[kevano22]

Has anyone done a normal back heel in the demo, I have not played it too many times and the fact you could not do a simple back heel in 08 annoyed me. Not the shot towards goal thing off to the side, just a back heel on cue?...

I have done one backheel, a nice simple one.

The other backheel I did was this, not so much a backheel but made me happy anyway...

YouTube - Lampard backheel fifa 09 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLMHuXyr5Y)

[adelante]

been reading whatever info they've released on Fifa 09 Clubs...if someone would be so kind as to see if I'm getting this right:

Creating a club
You form your own club (name of our own choosing?) and assign a manager (assuming the manager isn't auto-assigned to the one who created the club?)
Recruit up to 50 members to your club (throughout the course of the season)

Starting a match

Field a group of no less than three members to play a game
There can be multiple games at any one time (so if there are 15 members online in that club, 7 can play one game and the remaining 8 in another?)
CPU controls remaining positions unless you choose the ability to switch between positions on the pitch
Group chooses a real-life club to use in the game
Players pick a position that they wish to play on the pitch
Each team has one captain (duh) that handles tactics and stuff

Playing a match

Every player will have an standardize performance rating of 85
It doesn't matter which virtual footballer you're controlling? So Crouch despite his lanky stature will have the same header reach as say, Neville? Wat??
If you stray away from the position you're playing, that performance rating drops (eg: defenders won't be able to steal headers up field from opposing attackers as efficiently as he would if he stayed back?)
Substitutions can be made in the sense that a human player will just have his virtual footballer swapped with another.
Red-carded human players get to only sit and watch the game
Disconnected players gets controlled by CPU and won't be able to join back into the game


Match outcome
Points awarded to/deducted from Club's total according to wins/loss/performance of each individual in the team
More games a Club plays, faster it goes up the ranks (if I've got everything else right, it would be interesting to see a Club that fields only 5 members for any game, even though there may be more members online in that Club, just to increase the chances of playing more...although whether a 5-man team is better than that which has more members is another thing altogether)

[DagsJT]

Good summary and pretty much spot on.

Not sure about the Crouch header part though.

[kevano22]

I think thats right adelante.

I just hope you dont get penalized as much as you did in the Captain your country mode in Euro for coming out of position, or misplacing a cross.

[DagsJT]

Yeah, the rating system was a mess in Euro. I hated getting penalised for putting in a great cross but the forward didn't get onto it.

[Coopz]

Of yeah i saw quite a bit of outside of the foot passing last night and it looks awesome

it was mostly passing from left to right and angling your player so it forces him to use his weaker foot but he dosnt and hits it outside of the stronger one

[BobbyBox]

I just want to play this game with Arsenal :(( and more than fricking 2 minute halves!!!

October 3rd seems to far away :((

I keep playing the demo over and over and over and over.

I keep forgetting to quit before the shoot out - and the penalty shoot outs are getting on my NERVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coopz]

Just score an OG

[BobbyBox]

Just score an OG

I keep forgetting - I lose track of time.

[Bingham67]

Yeah, I've noticed that, looks like they've got rid of the annoying bug where the CPU GK won't release the ball while there is an attacker in the penalty area. This could lead to quick CPU counter attacks :)).

I have seen the other bug that was on Euro 4 times now where have to move a player down pitch before opposition goalkeeper kicks ball ie say bring forward closer.

[evacuate]

In my mind they should reward teams with 10 players with more points. Because it's probably harder to play with 10 different people than 4 (with someone on "Any"). I get the feeling that it will be 5 vs 5 mostly again otherwise, because it might be easier to collect points faster.

[Trance_Allstar]

I have done one backheel, a nice simple one.

The other backheel I did was this, not so much a backheel but made me happy anyway...

YouTube - Lampard backheel fifa 09 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLMHuXyr5Y)


Absolutely breathtaking mate.


Every player will have an standardize performance rating of 85
It doesn't matter which virtual footballer you're controlling? So Crouch despite his lanky stature will have the same header reach as say, Neville? Wat??
If you stray away from the position you're playing, that performance rating drops (eg: defenders won't be able to steal headers up field from opposing attackers as efficiently as he would if he stayed back?)


I don't think that is correct. The "standardized performance rating" is probably not talking about their overall stat rating.

Also, the performance rating dropping if you stray out of position doesn't mean that he will head worse if he is not where he is supposed to be, it probably just means that his match rating (like the one newspapers give players after a game, scoring them based on their performance) will be worse if a defender suddenly starts leaving holes in the defence and going on his own little missions elsewhere. Basically you need to play like Captain Your Country in Euro08, and not stray away from your designated position too much.

[Elber]

Does anyone know if there is a weaker foot rating?

I can't find anything like that.

but players like Ballack who has a very good shot with his left leg should be better with the weak foot and also use it more often

[Placebo]

Does anyone know if there is a weaker foot rating?


There should be.

[kevano22]

I keep forgetting - I lose track of time.

Then score an OG from kick off and play from there. Thats what I sometimes do, I find it hard to score so I let them take the lead from the start. That way I can forget about it and they will win 1-0. Its not like you care weather you win or lose in the demo, its the taking part that counts!

[Elber]

There should be.

must be hidden then?

[Placebo]

Then score an OG from kick off and play from there. Thats what I sometimes do, I find it hard to score so I let them take the lead from the start. That way I can forget about it and they will win 1-0. Its not like you care weather you win or lose in the demo, its the taking part that counts!

If you do that though the team you're playing will sit back more and decrease your chances of scoring even more ;)

[Chris Davies]

I'm not trying to start a war here but I just wanted to say it, and I didn't want to resurrect the FIFA v PES thread (if it still exists) because then you really are encouraging flame wars.

I'm so desperate to get hold of FIFA 09 that I tried to play FIFA 08 and Euro 08; as I said in here after a few matches (along with the Terry screenshot comparison to show the difference in the faces now), it's unbearable. You constantly press the button to do things that are impossible in those games, like when you pass the ball forward to a marked striker but you press shoot anyway because the marker might make a mistake, or your striker might get away from him, or the ball might bobble. Obviously in the old games it never does, it's clockwork.

But I also play PES2008 on the PSP, which I've been playing for a couple of months now, and I've been enjoying it. Last night, I put it on, and I was so close to smashing the PSP against the wall (that's the thing with consoles, you can throw the pad around the room, but you can't do that with a PSP).

I was shocked; the reaction times are actually better in FIFA than in PES for the first time ever. It makes a huge difference. And against the CPU in PES, your player will constantly...

"Trip" in a comical, flailing fashion, in a random direction far away from the ball allowing the CPU to collect it
Knock the ball ahead a huge amount just as you're reaching the box, so that the goalkeeper can collect it
Delay the response times when you're around opposition defenders, to ensure they get the ball or to give them chance to block the path of your pass
Rebound the ball into the perfect path of an oncoming opposition player
Rebound the ball out for an opposition throw if you're anywhere near the touchline
Pass directly to the opposition when the only player you could possibly be aiming towards is at a totally different angle
I know people will play both games, and I understand that the "automatic" nature of passing which allows fast exciting build-up play is why a lot of people play PES. But half the time your passing response time is impeded to give the AI a chance, and I also noticed your AI teammates give you no help whatsoever! I put wingers on the sides of the pitch with forward arrows and they would stay MOTIONLESS while I'm waiting for them to leg it up the wing!

I don't think I can play PES again, I really don't. All of the above annoy me so much, I thought I was going to have a stroke last night. It's not football IMO, it's too automatic, and the CPU cheating... Well, if I ever met Seabass, I would punch him in the face, honestly.

The more that you play FIFA 09 the more you realise just how far it has come. I can't play any other football game now, apart from SWOS (because it's too simple to "go wrong") and Football Manager (because it's a totally different genre, but I can't even play that now because of the "tactic cracking").

The wait for FIFA 09 seems to be getting longer, not shorter.

[andythom77]

does anyone know if you can have defenders attacking offensive corners? like 'players to go up' in pro evo 2008.

ta

[Tim7]

Well, if I ever met Seabass, I would punch him in the face, honestly.
:lmao: lmfao

[sweetkilla]

yes put on all out attack by pressing right on the dpad twice :)

[jflores]

I've been playing more of this Demo and am trying to nail the headers. There are various heading animations I've seen that are pleasing to the eye. Also, I noticed that you can normally head the ball by simply tapping the corresponding button, or better yet, you can sprint with RT to get in front of your opponent for a more powerful timed header with some nice elevation. However I have also noticed that you can use the Jockey button to position yourself which seems more effective to me at times.

Which button execution do you guys use and feel it's more responsive and successful for scoring with headers from a cross?

[Chris Davies]

Using the "classic" configuration I hold LT to move myself into position, then I wait until the ball is closing in and press the shoot button (circle on PS3, B on 360).

Sometimes I will run up to the box first though, and then press LT as the ball is getting closer - or I will just run and head if it's a quick cross and the guy running in isn't in the box yet.

[andythom77]

yes put on all out attack by pressing right on the dpad twice :)
thanks, so if you wanted to have the defenders attack but not always be in ultra offensive you would just press the d-pad twice before the corner is taken and the defence wilL join the attack?, would all the defenders attack?

also what about the keeper, can he get invovled in the action?

ta

[Chris Davies]

You've got the right idea andythom77; if you press left or right on the D-PAD you'll see the "defence/attack bar" come up above the player name bar on the bottom left or right of the screen (depending on which team you are). Pressing left sets the bar over to the defensive side, pressing right puts it over to the attacking side. You can fiddle with it throughout the game.

The CPU decides when to bring the goalkeeper up, but I'm presuming if there's ten minutes or less to go and you have the defence/attack bar on full attack, he will come up.

[andythom77]

You've got the right idea andythom77; if you press left or right on the D-PAD you'll see the "defence/attack bar" come up above the player name bar on the bottom left or right of the screen (depending on which team you are). Pressing left sets the bar over to the defensive side, pressing right puts it over to the attacking side. You can fiddle with it throughout the game.

The CPU decides when to bring the goalkeeper up, but I'm presuming if there's ten minutes or less to go and you have the defence/attack bar on full attack, he will come up.
ta lad,

i'm a pes fan converted to fifa by an amazing demo and the 10 vs 10 capability, so just learning the ropes. i've tried fifa every year, but this is the first time it looks like i might stick with it.

andy

[jonneymendoza]

The wait for FIFA 09 seems to be getting longer, not shorter.
i couldn't care less when it arrives, im patient;))

fifa09 is a great game given from the demo. response times are spot on like you said but i remember alot of you guys praising euro08 demo and saying its miles better then fifa08 yet after a few days of playing it(full version), some of you hated it. could it be the case for fifa09?

if am still play fifa 09 come feb 09, then this game is something special. playing on Manual is great but hard and you don't have much of a chance if you play against someone who plays on auto unless your manual passing is spot on which takes a shit load of time to be passing the ball around as if you are playing auto

[kevano22]

I love how the AI changes tactics on the fly. Just had an awesoem 1-1 game as Toronto v Milan

They kept hammering me and I slid in for a goal which I didnt deserve, then they went all out attack lobbing it forward.

I find Toronto will try to slide and stretch for the ball more than any other team on the demo

[gameklip]

I'm not trying to start a war here but I just wanted to say it, and I didn't want to resurrect the FIFA v PES thread (if it still exists) because then you really are encouraging flame wars.

I'm so desperate to get hold of FIFA 09 that I tried to play FIFA 08 and Euro 08; as I said in here after a few matches (along with the Terry screenshot comparison to show the difference in the faces now), it's unbearable. You constantly press the button to do things that are impossible in those games, like when you pass the ball forward to a marked striker but you press shoot anyway because the marker might make a mistake, or your striker might get away from him, or the ball might bobble. Obviously in the old games it never does, it's clockwork.

But I also play PES2008 on the PSP, which I've been playing for a couple of months now, and I've been enjoying it. Last night, I put it on, and I was so close to smashing the PSP against the wall (that's the thing with consoles, you can throw the pad around the room, but you can't do that with a PSP).

I was shocked; the reaction times are actually better in FIFA than in PES for the first time ever. It makes a huge difference. And against the CPU in PES, your player will constantly...

"Trip" in a comical, flailing fashion, in a random direction far away from the ball allowing the CPU to collect it
Knock the ball ahead a huge amount just as you're reaching the box, so that the goalkeeper can collect it
Delay the response times when you're around opposition defenders, to ensure they get the ball or to give them chance to block the path of your pass
Rebound the ball into the perfect path of an oncoming opposition player
Rebound the ball out for an opposition throw if you're anywhere near the touchline
Pass directly to the opposition when the only player you could possibly be aiming towards is at a totally different angle
I know people will play both games, and I understand that the "automatic" nature of passing which allows fast exciting build-up play is why a lot of people play PES. But half the time your passing response time is impeded to give the AI a chance, and I also noticed your AI teammates give you no help whatsoever! I put wingers on the sides of the pitch with forward arrows and they would stay MOTIONLESS while I'm waiting for them to leg it up the wing!

I don't think I can play PES again, I really don't. All of the above annoy me so much, I thought I was going to have a stroke last night. It's not football IMO, it's too automatic, and the CPU cheating... Well, if I ever met Seabass, I would punch him in the face, honestly.

The more that you play FIFA 09 the more you realise just how far it has come. I can't play any other football game now, apart from SWOS (because it's too simple to "go wrong") and Football Manager (because it's a totally different genre, but I can't even play that now because of the "tactic cracking").

The wait for FIFA 09 seems to be getting longer, not shorter.


great post, you nailed everything. the more you play this game demo, the more you realise that the full game will offer you so much more. you really do need time to capatalise on tactics. the tactics actually work this time. i press offensive and suddenly a player is making aggressive runs forward when my playmaker has the ball.

it's so far above anything else i've played. i feel free to do anything.

those complaining are jamming on the run trigger too much. it's impossible to do much running in tight midfield battles (same in real life).

anyways, great post.

[mjp]

Yeah - and that (@ Kevano) ^^^ reminds me of my little experiment over the weekend - I played as every team against every other team until I'd played as all teams against all opposition and it's very clear to me that players do feel more different than ever before on a FIFA game.

Plus the differences in how the teams play is bloody great too!

[gameklip]

i couldn't care less when it arrives, im patient;))

fifa09 is a great game given from the demo. response times are spot on like you said but i remember alot of you guys praising euro08 demo and saying its miles better then fifa08 yet after a few days of playing it(full version), some of you hated it. could it be the case for fifa09?


that's because euro08 only had countries.

that gets boring after a while.

[wan_d7]

CB post makes me hate PES more :LOL: but still, i would get myself PES2009, only for my lovely pc. it's not worth my money for the console.

[jflores]

I have to admit, this game does tend to grow on you. If only the players and ball didn't feel so light and floaty. Also, the dribble/tricks execution is damn near impossible to pull off in-game in an effective way without loosing the ball, even if executed with the unmistakable Ronaldinho. When I usually execute a dribble, my player does a different trick and not the one I prompted with the RS. Perhaps I need more practice.

[BobbyBox]

You do need to practice the tricks alot before being successful. I never used the tricks in the last one.

But I have spent some time trying to master some of the basic ones and can now use them ok in the game.

The step over and the rolling the ball under the foot are the easiest and effective as they are simple. But I managed to do the flick over my head from a standing position with two players coming at me from either side and I took them both out :DD looked really cool.

You just have to keep practicing. I am no where near being great with the tricks though - but I will keep trying.

Bitter Rivals was good at some tricks in game in Fifa 08 - so he might be able to give some pointers?

[adelante]

Also, the performance rating dropping if you stray out of position doesn't mean that he will head worse if he is not where he is supposed to be, it probably just means that his match rating (like the one newspapers give players after a game, scoring them based on their performance) will be worse if a defender suddenly starts leaving holes in the defence and going on his own little missions elsewhere. Basically you need to play like Captain Your Country in Euro08, and not stray away from your designated position too much.
Ok I should've probably made myself a 'lil clearer. I guess by performance rating I meant their overall ability/attribute rating as defined by Michael Müller-Möhring - Football Data Manager in the IGN blog (http://blogs.ign.com/EAFIFA08/2007/09/26/67430/) Fifa08 where he states:

One of the most important aspects of creating an authentic football gameplay experience is to create players that look, move and play like their real-life counterparts. That’s why the database and the overall ability or rating of each player is so important. We use 35 attributes to calculate the overall ability of a player and every position has its own formula. Each attribute is weighted and its importance is based on the player’s position. For example, attributes like “Marking”, “Tackling” and “Heading” are more important to the overall make up of a centre back than a winger.

In most cases this calculation is a mix of physical attributes (Strength, Speed, Stamina, Agility etc.), mental attributes (Positioning, Vision, Tactical Awareness etc.) and the skill attributes (Crossing, Dribbling, Short Passing, Tackling etc.).
So there's that. And here is where Rutter explained how every overall attribute rating will be levelled for Fifa09 Clubs, essentially standardized across all players:


IGN: I hear that every player on the pitch in this mode is set to the same attribute level. Why do this? Shouldn't I be rewarded for building up my character in the offline Be A Pro mode?
Rutter: Linking your offline character in Be A Pro is a great idea and is something we are certainly looking at doing. But for this year, because it's a new concept and game mode, we didn't want to penalize people who supported lower tier clubs. We don't always want people to play as Barcelona or Real Madrid; sometimes we want them to play as Toronto FC. If Toronto FC had the same level of player attributes they I would be judged on my controller skills rather than the attributes of my virtual player on the pitch. So it is all about being a better player of the game then a better player in the game.


At which point I was wondering what that overall rating will be, until I came across the new Q&A yesterday (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=666)which explained:

Q: Will the strength of the goalie be the same in all clubs?
A: Yes, all players are levelled to an 85 overall.

Q: What kind of strength will the CPU controlled players have? Will a Rooney be stronger than a Pantelic or will all CPU players have the same strength?
A: All players are levelled to an 85 overall. The individual attributes have all been set to relative strengths of the player’s preferred position. So all CBs will have the same set of stats and all RWs will have the same set of stats, but their attributes will be different based on the needs of their position. If a user moves a player out of their preferred position, their overall rating may drop.

So...from what I can tell there will be two ratings:


The players' overall ability - which dictates the potential of the virtual player on the field according to the breakdown of attributes that differ depending on position. So players will control strikers, defenders, mids,etc that each has an overall 85 ability rating, to make it fair across the board. And the quote from the Q&A above seem to suggest that this overall rating might dip below 85 if he's not utilized properly, which in turn makes the virtual footballer less efficient to use.

The performance rating - post-match result. How well you make use of that 85-rating virtual footballer. Whether you're connecting passes, delivering accurate crosses, etc Essentially, your controller skills and how good you are as "player of the game" (as pointed out by Rutter)


And its the latter that contributes to your team's total points and in turn, the Clubs'.




Man, I'm just too hyped for the game so pardon my over-thinking/dissection of a feature none of us had the chance to even try. :-pp

[Tim7]

The CPU decides when to bring the goalkeeper up, but I'm presuming if there's ten minutes or less to go and you have the defence/attack bar on full attack, he will come up.

Me and CW were playing coop and were 1-0 up and the CPU got a corner in the last few mins, their keeper came up for the corner! :DD Even more pleasing was that from the first corner they got a 2nd corner and he stayed up :)).

[Rob92]

The overall rating dropping when out of position is natural - When you put a centre back up front as a striker in a single player game then his rating normally goes to about 50 but it doesn't make them weaker or worse in the air. The overall rating is taken from the stats of relevance to the position they are in. I don't think it would change the player's actual abilities.

[DagsJT]

Me and CW were playing coop and were 1-0 up and the CPU got a corner in the last few mins, their keeper came up for the corner! :DD Even more pleasing was that from the first corner they got a 2nd corner and he stayed up :)).

Yep, I posted about that earlier. And from my goalkick, their goalie was still on the halfway line sprinting back :DD

[kgulls]

Most of the guys on this forum are really looking forward,understandably,to playing on-line in some form or other.
For those who play off-line could this be the first football game to offer an experience equal to a challenge of a human opponent?
Manager mode is,to some,the most played part of the game.
Anyone getting excited?

[mjp]

Most of the guys on this forum are really looking forward,understandably,to playing on-line in some form or other.
For those who play off-line could this be the first football game to offer an experience equal to a challenge of a human opponent?
Manager mode is,to some,the most played part of the game.
Anyone getting excited?


Me, for one.

I only play on-line once I'm bored with the single player mode (or when I'm drunk).

I defo think the single player is going to be an unparalleled experience due to the changing/different tactics and playing style for each team.

Then on top of that you have "proper" subs by the CPU - oh yes!

Roll on the 3rd....

[andythom77]

Most of the guys on this forum are really looking forward,understandably,to playing on-line in some form or other.
For those who play off-line could this be the first football game to offer an experience equal to a challenge of a human opponent?
Manager mode is,to some,the most played part of the game.
Anyone getting excited?
i think it's getting very close, the CPU seems to be getting more unpredictable. which is good.

[jamxo]

Most of the guys on this forum are really looking forward,understandably,to playing on-line in some form or other.
For those who play off-line could this be the first football game to offer an experience equal to a challenge of a human opponent?
Manager mode is,to some,the most played part of the game.
Anyone getting excited?

I cant wait for a manager mode with Arsenal - will be good to have not only all the gameplay additions but also things like new kits, transfers and manual celebrations (little things that make it all the more sweet)

When you guys do manager mode - do you play matches in time with real life, i.e. make it last, or just play through at your own pace? Tempted to do the former this year!

[adelante]

Most of the guys on this forum are really looking forward,understandably,to playing on-line in some form or other.
For those who play off-line could this be the first football game to offer an experience equal to a challenge of a human opponent?
Manager mode is,to some,the most played part of the game.
Anyone getting excited?

haha damn right i'm excited! Been playing Manager Mode with couple of my buddies who come over every Saturday (offline co-op)... there's just that intangible feeling that can only be experienced when you and your friends fail to qualify for the ECC/EFA for like the upteenth time on Legendary mode. The disappointment quickly dissipates however, when we find gems in the transfer market like Ronaldinho or Robinho being listed as "Free Agent"...lol wtf.

[Placebo]

I think everyone who knows me knows I'm all about the manager mode and yeah I really can't wait to get started, probably do a 2x10 Sheff Weds manager mode and a 2x6 min Portsmouth or Newcastle manager mode :)


When you guys do manager mode - do you play matches in time with real life, i.e. make it last, or just play through at your own pace? Tempted to do the former this year!

Don't really follow you?

[andythom77]

any of you guys thinking of starting an online club?

if you are i'd like to get involved, cause most of my mates play pro evo.

[mjp]

I think everyone who knows me knows I'm all about the manager mode and yeah I really can't wait to get started, probably do a 2x10 Sheff Weds manager mode and a 2x6 min Portsmouth or Newcastle manager mode :)



Don't really follow you?


Think he means - only play one fixture a week - that's how I read it?

I couldn't do that!

[Chris Davies]

That's what he meant, yep.

In FM I do one fixture a day to make it last, in FIFA I can't help playing lots of matches because it's a different kind of game. If I only played it every match-day I'd be very frustrated from not playing the game often enough (and you'd have no opportunity to finish seasons, do transfers etc.)!

[wan_d7]

Manager Mode is definitely the crucial 1 for me as i spent most time in that mode when i play fifa08 on pc, even it such a BS. can't wait for this baby to came out!

[Trance_Allstar]

Ok I should've probably made myself a 'lil clearer. I guess by performance rating I meant their overall ability/attribute rating as defined by Michael Müller-Möhring - Football Data Manager in the IGN blog (http://blogs.ign.com/EAFIFA08/2007/09/26/67430/) Fifa08 where he states:

One of the most important aspects of creating an authentic football gameplay experience is to create players that look, move and play like their real-life counterparts. That’s why the database and the overall ability or rating of each player is so important. We use 35 attributes to calculate the overall ability of a player and every position has its own formula. Each attribute is weighted and its importance is based on the player’s position. For example, attributes like “Marking”, “Tackling” and “Heading” are more important to the overall make up of a centre back than a winger.

In most cases this calculation is a mix of physical attributes (Strength, Speed, Stamina, Agility etc.), mental attributes (Positioning, Vision, Tactical Awareness etc.) and the skill attributes (Crossing, Dribbling, Short Passing, Tackling etc.).
So there's that. And here is where Rutter explained how every overall attribute rating will be levelled for Fifa09 Clubs, essentially standardized across all players:


IGN: I hear that every player on the pitch in this mode is set to the same attribute level. Why do this? Shouldn't I be rewarded for building up my character in the offline Be A Pro mode?
Rutter: Linking your offline character in Be A Pro is a great idea and is something we are certainly looking at doing. But for this year, because it's a new concept and game mode, we didn't want to penalize people who supported lower tier clubs. We don't always want people to play as Barcelona or Real Madrid; sometimes we want them to play as Toronto FC. If Toronto FC had the same level of player attributes they I would be judged on my controller skills rather than the attributes of my virtual player on the pitch. So it is all about being a better player of the game then a better player in the game.


At which point I was wondering what that overall rating will be, until I came across the new Q&A yesterday (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=666)which explained:

Q: Will the strength of the goalie be the same in all clubs?
A: Yes, all players are levelled to an 85 overall.

Q: What kind of strength will the CPU controlled players have? Will a Rooney be stronger than a Pantelic or will all CPU players have the same strength?
A: All players are levelled to an 85 overall. The individual attributes have all been set to relative strengths of the player’s preferred position. So all CBs will have the same set of stats and all RWs will have the same set of stats, but their attributes will be different based on the needs of their position. If a user moves a player out of their preferred position, their overall rating may drop.

So...from what I can tell there will be two ratings:


The players' overall ability - which dictates the potential of the virtual player on the field according to the breakdown of attributes that differ depending on position. So players will control strikers, defenders, mids,etc that each has an overall 85 ability rating, to make it fair across the board. And the quote from the Q&A above seem to suggest that this overall rating might dip below 85 if he's not utilized properly, which in turn makes the virtual footballer less efficient to use.

The performance rating - post-match result. How well you make use of that 85-rating virtual footballer. Whether you're connecting passes, delivering accurate crosses, etc Essentially, your controller skills and how good you are as "player of the game" (as pointed out by Rutter)


And its the latter that contributes to your team's total points and in turn, the Clubs'.




Man, I'm just too hyped for the game so pardon my over-thinking/dissection of a feature none of us had the chance to even try. :-pp


Cheers for that informative reply, makes everything crystal clear. :)

Though to be honest not really that hot for it, but since they seemingly hadn't the time to implement so that you train your virtual footballer offline and then play with them online, it will suffice for now I suppose.

I just think that it will be boring having all players running at the exact same pace, shooting as hard etc, unless the overall is 85 but the attributes are weighted differently, some players being better at shooting and some being faster or such.

[raffupperv12]

i couldn't care less when it arrives, im patient;))

fifa09 is a great game given from the demo. response times are spot on like you said but i remember alot of you guys praising euro08 demo and saying its miles better then fifa08 yet after a few days of playing it(full version), some of you hated it. could it be the case for fifa09?

if am still play fifa 09 come feb 09, then this game is something special. playing on Manual is great but hard and you don't have much of a chance if you play against someone who plays on auto unless your manual passing is spot on which takes a shit load of time to be passing the ball around as if you are playing auto

That was my experience as well with EURO, the demo seemed miles better than the actual release. However I never gave FIFA 08 a chance because I felt that the demo was poor.

[Nick Cave]

Manager mode is everything for me...

[jamxo]

Don't really follow you?

What I mean is I am thinking of playing fixtures in manager mode on the actual days that they occur in real life, and spend my time in between playing exhibition kick-off matches (which I can pretend are like training or something)

I think this could be really cool, and longing it out over an entire season means that if I actually win the league at the end of the season the build up will make it feel that much better!

In the past whenever in manager mode I play a couple of matches a day and it doesnt really feel like a long and challenging season!

[brunnoce]

Guys , is this confirmed:

b]Germany[/b]

1. Allianz (Bayern Munich)
2. Bay Arena (Leverkusen)
3. Deutsch Stadion (Generic Germany)
4. Nordbank (Hamburger SV)
5. Olympiastadion (Hertha BSC)
6. Signal Iduna (Borussia Dortmund)
7. Veltins (Shalke 04)

England

1. Anfield (Liverpool)
2. British Lane (Generic England)
3. Emirates (Arsenal)
4. Old Trafford (Manchester United)
5. St. James (Newcastle)
6. Stamford Bridge (Chelsea)
7. Wembley (FA)
8. Div 1 UK (Generic)
9. Div 2 UK (Generic)

Spain

1. Camp Nou (Barcelona)
2. Espanyol (Generic - Spain)
3. Mestalla (Valencia)
4. V. Calderon (Atletico)
5. Mediano Espanol (Generic)

Italy

1. Dell'Alpi (Juventus)
2. Italiano (Generic)
3. Stadio Olimpico (Roma, Lazio)
4. San Siro (AC, Inter)

France

1. Pars De Princess (PSG)
2. Gerland (Lyon)
3. Velodrome (Marseille)

Mexico

1. Azteca (Mexico)
2. Mexico (Generic)

Wales

1. Millenium (Wales)

Generic Stadiums

1. Div 1 EUR
2. Div 2 EUR
3. Des Las Artes (Generic)
4. Latin (Generic)
5. Brazil (Generic) Qual será o estádio?
6. Football Ground- looks like a division 3 stadium (Generic)
7. Africa (Generic)
8. Europe 2 (Generic)
9. Square Open (Generic)
10. Netherlands (Generic)
11. Olimpico Generic

Portugal

1. Estádio da Luz (Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
2. Estádio do Bessa (Boavista F.C.)
3. Estádio do Dragão (Futebol Clube do Porto)
4. Alvalade XXI (Sporting Clube de Portugal)

Coreia do Sul

1. Daegu Sports Complex (Daegu FC)
2. Seoul Sang-Am (FC Seoul e a República da Coréia)

Estados Unidos da América

1. Home Depot Center1,5 (Los Angeles Galaxy, Chivas USA e a Seleção)

Austria

1. Tivoli-Neu Stadion
2. Hypo-Arena
3. Wals Siezenheim
4. Ernst Happel

Suiça

1. St. Jakob-Park
2. Stade de Suisse
3. Stade de Genève
4. Letzigrund.

Ligas no FIFA 09:

1. A-League
2. Liga Argentina Primera Division - NOVA
3. Austrian Bundesliga Österrikiska
4. Belgian Jupiler League
5. Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A
6. Gambrinus liga
7. Danish Superliga
8. Barclays Premier League
9. Football League Championship
10. Football League One
11. Football League Two
12. Ligue 1
13. Ligue 2
14. Liga Macedonia 1 - NOVA!
15. Futball-Bundesliga
16. 2. Futball-Bundesliga
17. Eircom League of Ireland
18. Serie A
19. Serie B
20. K-League
21. Major League Soccer
22. Primera Division de Mexico
23. Russian Premier League 1
23. Ryska Premier League 1 - NOVA!
24. Eredivisie
25. Norwegian Premier League
26. Orange Ekstraklasa
27. Liga Sagres
28. Scottish Premier League
29. South-africa Premier Soccer League 1 - NOVA!
30. Spanish La Liga
31. Segunda Division A
32. Allsvenskan
33. Swiss Super League
34. Turkcell Super League
35. Rest of World


i found strange it lists argetninian league, while tehres no argentinian league logo in the demo entrance screen

also , i liked that we will have toons of generic stadiums and one for each contry almost.

[Placebo]

What I mean is I am thinking of playing fixtures in manager mode on the actual days that they occur in real life, and spend my time in between playing exhibition kick-off matches (which I can pretend are like training or something)

I think this could be really cool, and longing it out over an entire season means that if I actually win the league at the end of the season the build up will make it feel that much better!

In the past whenever in manager mode I play a couple of matches a day and it doesnt really feel like a long and challenging season!

Oh no I couldn't do that, I like to get a few matches in for each session, 2x10mins still takes plenty of time as it is :)

[Nick Cave]

Oh no I couldn't do that, I like to get a few matches in for each session, 2x10mins still takes plenty of time as it is :)
Wow 20Min games don't you end up with too many high score games?...

[jamxo]

I might give it a go, and like I said, spend the lead up to the game playing friendly "training matches" to try out new players/tactics/formations - think it could add alot of meaning/excitement to the MM matches.

And we are going to have BAP:Seasons to play with - this game is going to be too good.

[Placebo]

Nope never, I very seldom get more than 3 or 4 goals a game and usually only a couple, I play on all manual so it makes it far more realistic, plenty of chances but most off target or saved :)

[jamxo]

Nope never, I very seldom get more than 3 or 4 goals a game and usually only a couple, I play on all manual so it makes it far more realistic, plenty of chances but most off target or saved :)

Same here, makes those last minute 1-0 away wins the most exhilirating of matches!

[wan_d7]

the 1st week i play i use all manual and find it very hard yet realistic matches. but after 100+ matches, i now turn to semi as i did more miss passes to the opponent which i think got some problem with my hand. haha. now it's more realistic with almost accurate passing even there's some miss passes. i think the manual through ball in 09 is a bit hard cuz the gauge seems very slow to increase to the power that i want and the ball is already move off my feet. and the ball is very slow and inaccurate. i hope this is a bug not the actual ball cuz it makes the thru pass almost impossible. right now my thru pass all coming from the manual pass, which is more nicer and accurate. :)

[Geefiasco]

I'm looking forward to Manager Mode even more, now that the AI play good football and also make mistakes every now and then. Not the 'super human' AI that was on '08; i felt like i was being cheated all the time.

[Geefiasco]

IGN: I hear that every player on the pitch in this mode is set to the same attribute level. Why do this? Shouldn't I be rewarded for building up my character in the offline Be A Pro mode?
Rutter: Linking your offline character in Be A Pro is a great idea and is something we are certainly looking at doing. But for this year, because it's a new concept and game mode, we didn't want to penalize people who supported lower tier clubs. We don't always want people to play as Barcelona or Real Madrid; sometimes we want them to play as Toronto FC. If Toronto FC had the same level of player attributes they I would be judged on my controller skills rather than the attributes of my virtual player on the pitch. So it is all about being a better player of the game then a better player in the game.


At which point I was wondering what that overall rating will be, until I came across the new Q&A yesterday (http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=666)which explained:

Q: Will the strength of the goalie be the same in all clubs?
A: Yes, all players are levelled to an 85 overall.

Q: What kind of strength will the CPU controlled players have? Will a Rooney be stronger than a Pantelic or will all CPU players have the same strength?
A: All players are levelled to an 85 overall. The individual attributes have all been set to relative strengths of the player’s preferred position. So all CBs will have the same set of stats and all RWs will have the same set of stats, but their attributes will be different based on the needs of their position. If a user moves a player out of their preferred position, their overall rating may drop.

So...from what I can tell there will be two ratings:


The players' overall ability - which dictates the potential of the virtual player on the field according to the breakdown of attributes that differ depending on position. So players will control strikers, defenders, mids,etc that each has an overall 85 ability rating, to make it fair across the board. And the quote from the Q&A above seem to suggest that this overall rating might dip below 85 if he's not utilized properly, which in turn makes the virtual footballer less efficient to use.

The performance rating - post-match result. How well you make use of that 85-rating virtual footballer. Whether you're connecting passes, delivering accurate crosses, etc Essentially, your controller skills and how good you are as "player of the game" (as pointed out by Rutter)
Thanks.

That cleared everything up.

Does anyone know if we'll have to play with current players (ie. Drogba, Ronaldo, Gallas) or will we create out own player appearances?

[wan_d7]

i still feel cheated in 09 on world class. draw for another 30times. darn..

[airjoca]

Guys , is this confirmed:
*List of stadiums*


I'm guessing that's the PC/PS2 version list, because the Portuguese stadiums have been in those versions in the past...

But I hope and wish they're all in the PS3/360 version.

[brunnoce]

I'm guessing that's the PC/PS2 version list, because the Portuguese stadiums have been in those versions in the past...

But I hope and wish they're all in the PS3/360 version.

i c...
some guy posted this claiming its for ps3/360, he said it was confirmed in the oficial fifa forums...i couldnt find the original post there..
ima guessing its for the 360/ps3 becasue the pc version already has white hart lane stadium, and this one is not in that list...

i just wish this argentinian league confirmation is true! ive been waitin for that league for a long time.

[kgulls]

The one thing that was missing for me in FIFA08 was the option for you to control both teams in a league set-up,be it manager mode or a straight forward league season.
Used to annoy me that you could'nt play a league with a mate other than playing on the same side.
Does anyone know if this is possible in the new game.

[Joe]

The one thing that was missing for me in FIFA08 was the option for you to control both teams in a league set-up,be it manager mode or a straight forward league season.
Used to annoy me that you could'nt play a league with a mate other than playing on the same side.
Does anyone know if this is possible in the new game.

Yeh you could. You select another human next to the team at the start of the whole set up of the league

or was that just the cup

[Pviews]

Hey guys, ive read a fair few interviews on fifa09's online clubs mode but do any of you know do you dedicate yourself to a position when you sign in? Or is it a free for all when the game starts, i.e whoever is quickest can choose to take over the striker

Im asking because in one interview rutter says "as a manager you can scout for players by position" implying you choose a position and stick with it

[pepper63]

I gave Drogba a good kicking and he had to go to the sideline for treatment,it was about 12secs later he's waving to come back on and then you see the ref calling him on.Class.

[airjoca]

i c...
some guy posted this claiming its for ps3/360, he said it was confirmed in the oficial fifa forums...i couldnt find the original post there..
ima guessing its for the 360/ps3 becasue the pc version already has white hart lane stadium, and this one is not in that list...

i just wish this argentinian league confirmation is true! ive been waitin for that league for a long time.

I wish it's true also. Portuguese stadiums would make me very happy... :)

[Dr Force]

The demo is too fucking short to get any momentum going. Its a constant midfeild scrap at the moment, I wish they could have done a 6 minute game.

Anyway.I suppose it wets the appetite for the full version.

The only thing that is pissing me off around the FIFA series is the lack of a trainning mode.How the fuck can you practice variations on free kicks with just one player?? I dont like having to play a match to improve and the arena is only any good for tricks and shooting...........................shame.

[airjoca]

The demo is too fucking short to get any momentum going. Its a constant midfeild scrap at the moment, I wish they could have done a 6 minute game.

Anyway.I suppose it wets the appetite for the full version.

The only thing that is pissing me off around the FIFA series is the lack of a trainning mode.How the fuck can you practice variations on free kicks with just one player?? I dont like having to play a match to improve and the arena is only any good for tricks and shooting...........................shame.

I used to spend hours on PES Training back in the day, always completing every challenge... FIFA needs this. I bet it would help newcomers to the series adapt a lot faster...

[Rob92]

Can anyone who has played human v human answer this question:

Does holding down A and B (X and O on PS) still work way too effectively? Or is it better to stand off someone and nip in at the right moment and block passing lanes? 08 was ruined online because of the such easy defending where people could just double team you and give you no space.

[hitmanuk]

Just getting the hand of shooting on semi (does this make me shit..lol )
My settings are passing on semi , thru balls on manual, crossing on semi and lob passes on manual..Im also playing on normal although slow is ok too...

Some of the things I like is the way the ref does not forget to book people ..even several people at times after advantage has been played

I like penalties how u can chip holding the lob button and also im sure the right chip button places penalities rather than blasting them

People who are struggling using tricks they work more effectivley iff u take the ball on at pace..its easier to wrong foot people that way...very realistic

[Coopz]

Can anyone who has played human v human answer this question:

Does holding down A and B (X and O on PS) still work way too effectively? Or is it better to stand off someone and nip in at the right moment and block passing lanes? 08 was ruined online because of the such easy defending where people could just double team you and give you no space.

I have played loads of human v human games but cant say i ever use B to pressure

ill give it a go later and find out though

[brunnoce]

anyone knows a store that does EXPRESS(1-3 day) delivery overseas(brazil)??

thanx

[ozzie66]

seriously. how can anybody critise graphics of fifa now. before the players looked like orcs but what they have done is phenomenal to the players

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_204356.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_204355.jpg

http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_204354.jpg

Pro at one time was the best game but its just got silly lately. And graphically, they had the faces and now it seems ea have has taken their head outta their ass and improved not only the gameplay but also the faces.

It fustrates me to actually say i like a fifa game over pro bt thats the way cookie has crumbled. Heck, i am actually looking forward to all EA sports game now which is wierd

[Tim7]

I gave Drogba a good kicking and he had to go to the sideline for treatment,it was about 12secs later he's waving to come back on and then you see the ref calling him on.Class.
:lmao: Trust you to post about injuring someone ;))

[Scorpio]

It fustrates me to actually say i like a fifa game over pro bt thats the way cookie has crumbled. Heck, i am actually looking forward to all EA sports game now which is wierd

Same here m8, it feels like I'm cheating on my wife.

[adelante]

Hey guys, ive read a fair few interviews on fifa09's online clubs mode but do any of you know do you dedicate yourself to a position when you sign in? Or is it a free for all when the game starts, i.e whoever is quickest can choose to take over the striker

Im asking because in one interview rutter says "as a manager you can scout for players by position" implying you choose a position and stick with it
It will be free for all...players will have to scramble for the position of their liking at the lobby screen...and I suppose what Rutter meant is that you're probably able to search for players and sort them according to the position they play most effectively

[ozzie66]

lol

even looking now at pro, the reason the players looked good was because it was like a digital picture but now it looks like an action man figure.

anyways playing fifa now is smooth. it could be improved but it wasnt as jarring as fifa 08. heck i would say its the best fotball game i have played ever.

its got a good pace, not too slow cause players dont just walk around when they play but also not as quick as pro and its pick one player and drive through midfield constantly. i mean how many times do we see that in real football.

they could tweak the shooting more and the crossing.

btw, the ai is amazing. Players making the itellegent runs. infact, running in general, i used to hate when u are with the ball and the players refuse to move giving u no option but to use the player u had with the ball (fifa and pro were both guilty for this). Players actually trying to beat the offside trap. even sometimes, the refree gets the decision wrong (a couple of times, i have been onside and they have flagged). and drogba (strong as hell but falls down sometimes too easily).


great game to be i say.

[Cammey]

Fifa 09 - Glamour model in seductive lingerie.

PES 2009 - Geoff Capes in a thong.

[ozzie66]

i swear i just did a no look pass in the arena.

[ozzie66]

lemme see if i can capture it

[wan_d7]

i accidentally do a no look back heel by joe cole to ballack...! sweet!

[ozzie66]

sometimes, players would raise thier hands up for an offisde decision but you get to play on. pretty cool, but i definately think i was marginally offiside lool

[ptfcdb]

Absolutely loving the demo and can't wait for the full game - just gets better the more you play it.
Up til now i have been pretty impressed with the keepers although i did have this happen in the arena earlier - hopefully Cech just had the sun in his eyes:LOL:

YouTube - Fifa 09 Demo - half volley from 50 yards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f7nZ-h30-w)

[Tim7]

LMFAO it actually hits him on the helmet!!!! LMFAO Brilliant!

[reddevils]

I just scored an overhead kick with drogba in the 90th minute, scoring a goal never felt better, the way the keeper gave up on it made it look ultra realistic too!!!

this is the greatest football game ever, and i am only playing the 2 minute a half demo lol

[stahre]

I posted this up on another board...anyone else notice this?

I think most people who are saying they blow shots way over the bar when shooting just dont have the right technique. I found that if you hold the sprint button and shoot that the shot will almost always fly way over. However if you let go of the sprint button just before you shoot, you will let off a cracker - which is very realistic in my opinion. How often do you see a player slow down just a little before he lets rip?

Try this technique out in the arena and I gurantee your shooting will improve.

Thanks Matk! That helped me quite a lot. Maybe it was obvious to most people around here but I didn't know this so thanks for the heads-up. Think it is realistic too so that made the game even better. I have made some nice goals from outside the penalty area now. :EASY:

[ptfcdb]

LMFAO it actually hits him on the helmet!!!! LMFAO Brilliant!

Cheers - it took me a couple of minutes to stop laughing long enough to hold the camera steady to capture it:LOL:

[imothop]

Absolutely loving the demo and can't wait for the full game - just gets better the more you play it.
Up til now i have been pretty impressed with the keepers although i did have this happen in the arena earlier - hopefully Cech just had the sun in his eyes:LOL:


:LOL:

find another one on youtube - the last goal, just brilliant lol

YouTube - FIFA 09 (PS3/Xbox 360) - Rabona, Goals, Free Kick, Tricks (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTxNrtSX8c)

[viniciusdcs]

Ah my 360 is still in the shop....:censor:

anyone knows a store that does EXPRESS(1-3 day) delivery overseas(brazil)??

thanx
Compra o Fifa 09 no camelo. Eu pago 20conto nos meu jogos de 360 no camelo.

[YoungGun_UK]

I told you lot this was the best football game ever :)) The demo is amazing but I cant wait for the full game now! :((

[brunnoce]

Ah my 360 is still in the shop....:censor:


Compra o Fifa 09 no camelo. Eu pago 20conto nos meu jogos de 360 no camelo.

ps3 m8

[matherto]

I think EA have made a proper Pro Evo here.

It plays like classic Pro Evo, only better, and it gives you the same feeling of joy when you play it.

Lovely stuff.

[gameklip]

played the demo with my mate a sec ago, it's now a must buy for him. He's a huge pro evo fan too.

we played with both on the same team like we normally do. it's so good. the midfield battle and then finally you pop a worked through ball through and you're giggling like a little girl. :)

[airjoca]

I'm such a cheeky bastard, check out Ashley Cole lending Ruud a hand:

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Blooper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTiqbPVkHI)

:lol:

[SPMC]

sometimes, players would raise thier hands up for an offisde decision but you get to play on. pretty cool, but i definately think i was marginally offiside lool

i've seen cannavaro gesturing another player(s) to drop back.
it was subtle, but I was like "holy shit" nice!

[RockyJJP]

I was just thinking and only 15 days to go! it feels like 15 weeks though, time is really dragging, the more i play the demo, the more i like it and the more I wish it could be longer than two minutes, I have a few minor gripes about the demo, but i'm sure these will be ironed out in the final version.

[shieldslfc]

2 mins you b*$turds !! And then to rub it in forcing us to pens. Apart from that I am now a Fifa Fan, and they deserve it, all their effort has finally paid off, this is now the best footy game.

I hope they fix the replays though, the frame rate is a bit shite, anyone heard any news on this. I know Fifa 08 was vastly tweaked from the demo, so heres hoping.

[Tim7]

I'm such a cheeky bastard, check out Ashley Cole lending Ruud a hand:

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Blooper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTiqbPVkHI)

:lol:
:SHOCK: That's incredible!!!

[evacuate]

The collision system is so impressive. I mean it could as well just clipped through the hand but no, it's so good it just had to be perfect.

[wan_d7]

it's really nice..but i think this game will full of with players falling cuz somebody sneezing :LOL:

[RockyJJP]

And let me just say, the nets are so impressive, i've never enjoyed nets like this since Football Kingdom. One thing I hated about PES 2008 was the small net area and that the nets just flopped down at the back, it was terrible and I hate the Hexagon nets. The big square ones in FIFA are so much nicer

[Tim7]

The collision system is impressive, but there is still a lot of limbs through limbs, I hope this is ironed out in the full version.

[ptfcdb]

YouTube - Fifa 09 Demo - half volley from 50 yards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f7nZ-h30-w)

Whilst i have also seen a few limbs through limbs and even 1 head through torso i do think that the collison system is indeed immpressive - what i liked in particular about the above video was the reaction from Cech when the ball hits him - he seems genuinely surprised which is i think the first time i have ever seen that in a footy game.

[adelante]

Limbs going through each other can't be helped, (and to date there aren't any game that offer that kind of solid polygonal collision detection ) because of the nature of each contextual animation...say for example a player in jockeying mode will have his arms spread out at a fixed length and they won't auto-adjust according to how close his opponent is.

They could implement the Euphoria animation engine into the game and in this case, program it such that how far a player's arm extend depends on the hands that make contact with the opponent's body. (EA already has implement this sort of inverse kinematics system since fifa 07 to determine how far a footballer's legs should extend with relation to the ball's position) But that would take a significant portion of computing power which I'm sure EA would have used for decision-making, tactics, etc...

And to their credit, EA has done great strides in the game's animation system, particularly with blending between different motion-captured animations.... something which PES has never focused on since... well since Goal Storm '97 really...

[Coopz]

Do people know the teams in the demo have preset tactics?

i only found out a few days ago

you go to custom tactics, and press on the top text (forgot what it says) and you get a list of 4/5 preset tactics

[ZiqXx]

Could someone please help me out?

1) How do you take free-kicks in the arena ?
2) Is there a way to increase your chances of a bicycle kick/volley kick when the ball is in the air ? My players take way to often the weak header option instead of the volley.

[Coopz]

press up on the dpad to take a free kick or peno

and its all about positioning for a overhead kick, just get your player under the ball and if he has good agility he will attempt it

[Bitter Rivals]

Could someone please help me out?

1) How do you take free-kicks in the arena ?
2) Is there a way to increase your chances of a bicycle kick/volley kick when the ball is in the air ? My players take way to often the weak header option instead of the volley.

free kick press the d pad when outside the penny box

as for a volley it helps on the position of the player, but i find when a ball is at a volley height i just start tapping shoot for a quick shot

[Trance_Allstar]

Could someone please help me out?

1) How do you take free-kicks in the arena ?
2) Is there a way to increase your chances of a bicycle kick/volley kick when the ball is in the air ? My players take way to often the weak header option instead of the volley.


Press the D-pad at any moment in any direction, and the freekick will be taken where the ball was positioned at the moment you press the D-pad.

As for the volley question I've not played it enough to be of any help. :)

[ZiqXx]

Thanks guys for quick replies, much appreciated.

[Coopz]

haha 3 responses to 1 question :LOL:

[Shooto]

Does anyone know how to use the second player when you call him in for a free kick? I have tried various things but I cant get the second guy to knock the ball out for kicker one to hit.

[Coopz]

Hold the Skill button to call him over and the skill button and pass to tee it off

[mjp]

Do people know the teams in the demo have preset tactics?

i only found out a few days ago

you go to custom tactics, and press on the top text (forgot what it says) and you get a list of 4/5 preset tactics


Yep, of which only two you can change - the tendendancy for crosses and how high up the pitch you start pressing.

I change both to be 100 and then set my mentality (in-game) to be ultra-offensive just to try and squeeze a few goals out of the 2 minute halves!

It is very encouraging that these "sliders" do have a noticeable difference on how your team plays.

[hanakuka]

hi does anyone know how to do the rabona fake for ps3???

[Shooto]

ah, it was the second press of the skill button I didnt know.

One of the best moves has to be the mcgeady. I have managed it a few times and it is actually useful to lose a defender.

Cheers

[hanakuka]

ah, it was the second press of the skill button I didnt know.

One of the best moves has to be the mcgeady. I have managed it a few times and it is actually useful to lose a defender.

Cheers

thats my favourite move aswell as the new step over drag just gives you bit more space when you pull it off right

[airjoca]

hi does anyone know how to do the rabona fake for ps3???

Imagine you're going left to right... Hold L2 and Shoot and then flip the directional stick to the left at the same time as you press X to cancel the shot.

I also have a few explanations on comments on the video below:
YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Skills Double Rabona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0OtzjYoTY4)

[hanakuka]

thank you airjoca

[DagsJT]

Imagine you're going left to right... Hold L2 and Shoot and then flip the directional stick to the left at the same time as you press X to cancel the shot.

I also have a few explanations on comments on the video below:


Sounds like a Street Fighter combo!

[kellex]

I am not sure you could do this in fifa 08, but I remember I could not find out how.. Its about replays. I remember you could not skip the replays you wanted and if you pressed a button it would just end the replays. But in the demo(360) if you press RT, you can skip to the next replay witch is nice:)) Also some nice details/animation on the crowd this time around. The players look awsome, and hope the other teams have good looking players as well. It does look like a fantastic game where you find new things everyday that is pleasing to the eye:DD Not sure if I like slow speed or normal.. In slow its easy to pass the ball around but then I miss a little speed particularly when running, but on normal things may sometimes be a litlle to fast. Referees are a little to hard on the cards and do have some fault(thank god its just a demo)
Anyway, I love the demo it it does feel like we finaly have got the footy game we have been waiting for since pes 5!

[vondave]

Guys there is a review!

In the newsagents at lunch, think it was 360 magazine.

Saw the cover said it is reviewed and the tagline described it as a "PES-Beater"

I had assumed this info would already be on here hence not buying the magazine

[mjp]

I am not sure you could do this in fifa 08, but I remember I could not find out how.. Its about replays. I remember you could not skip the replays you wanted and if you pressed a button it would just end the replays. But in the demo(360) if you press RT, you can skip to the next replay witch is nice:))

You *could* do this on 08 but then they took it out for Euro 2008.

[Chris Davies]

Unless I'm going mental you could also press L2 & R2 / LT & RT together to change the angle of the replay in FIFA 08, but you can't in Euro 2008 or in this FIFA 09 demo. :(

[sweetkilla]

you have to tap x/square twice or 3 times to have the camera which allows you to pan about etc :)

[deathcab001]

hopefully that review should pop up around the forums in a bit so we can have a read. I also saw a mag earlier - official playstation magazine, but isnt that the review that got 9/10?

a few things i spotted in the demo

took a shot instead of passing to kuryani. shot flew completley over, i could see kuryani pointing at his feet as if to say..wtf were you doing!? :D
managed to slide tackle two marseille players with one slide as ronaldinhio. took both out and got a straight red! :D
and as a result of that foul, when marseille were taking the freekick, one of the lpayers were sitting on the sidelines injured!.

i took a photo of that, but its on my home machine so i'll upload it later if no one has seen it before.

[vondave]

any news on review guys?

[Chris Davies]

you have to tap x/square twice or 3 times to have the camera which allows you to pan about etc :)
No Sweetkilla, not in-game replays, the replays you get at the end of a half. Unless you can do it then as well? But there's no prompt to tell you that you can.

[vondave]

my bad

[deathcab001]

i've seen cannavaro gesturing another player(s) to drop back.
it was subtle, but I was like "holy shit" nice!

:w00t: so i didnt imagine that then! i've only seen it the one time, but it happened so quickly i wasn't sure if i saw what i thought i saw!

[vondave]

cool.

I had two instances with Pepe. One he charged in Vidic style for a header, missed, landed on his knees with his arms out then slapped his palm with his other hand, as if to say, where is my free kick?

On another he hit Kuranyi with a tackle, Kuranyi stumbled, Pepe got up, and it looked as he got up it was like a headbutt/ ram that knocked Kranyi over. Straight Red. I do think it was just a coincidental animation and not actually putting a nut on him

[vondave]

and when arguing a conceded penalty the italians do the sort of begging animation to the ref.

[gameklip]

Imagine you're going left to right... Hold L2 and Shoot and then flip the directional stick to the left at the same time as you press X to cancel the shot.

I also have a few explanations on comments on the video below:
YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Skills Double Rabona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0OtzjYoTY4)

i did that in the game. it was so awesome. i did it with robinho too! :lol: i was on the wrong and just wanted to cancel a cross and run the other way. the moves kinda make sense if you know what i mean. so cool.

[SPMC]

:w00t: so i didnt imagine that then! i've only seen it the one time, but it happened so quickly i wasn't sure if i saw what i thought i saw!
yeah, when I noticed it, I had to instant replay it.
at halftime, I rewound the whole 1st half and noticed he did it a few more times, and Pepe did it once.
I think it usually occurs when L2+R2 jockeying.

[airjoca]

So I'm guessing on the PS3 you can rewind the whole match on replay because of the default HDD?

[shieldslfc]

Guys there is a review!

In the newsagents at lunch, think it was 360 magazine.

Saw the cover said it is reviewed and the tagline described it as a "PES-Beater"

I had assumed this info would already be on here hence not buying the magazine

I got that mag Xbox World 360, its says "Pes Beater" to suck you in. They give it 81/100 but I dont think they can be trusted, because they gave Pes2008 92/100, need I say any more.

Also they say its not that different from Euro, which is absolute crap. I cant see they have had the finished version, because what they say I completely disagree with.

I suppose they sucked me into buying the mag, but it will never happen again.

[wan_d7]

haha. mate u suck the mag now and burn it. waste your money better use it to buy FIFA09 dude

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Sounds similar to one of the other reviews we had, same score aswell I think. Totally showed themselves up by moaning that the live league (player DNA, or whatever it's called) wasn't in the game.....when it is.

[smurf1020]

I cant wait for the full game! The demo is out of hand!!!!

[gameklip]

The fact they gave PES2008 92% and say FIFA09 is no different from Euro08, is enough to justify that they are a bunch of konami shills. I needn't say more.

The demo alone batters Euro08, PES2008, FIFA07 etc etc. Infact this demo, had it been 4minutes, would have beaten every football game i've played apart from Pro Evo 5. It's packed full of detail. If you're good you can score some truly awesome goals and create some inventive moves. I've not played a football title with cleverer A.I yet. Players make runs off the ball by themselves. Drogba runs up and down the back-line causing mayhem while Lampard or Deco is looking for a pass for example.There is no debate for me that with Be-A-Pro Season, Manager mode, Lag free online, Clubs mode etc etc the game deserves ATLEAST a 87%. That's without even looking at the gameplay. It simply offers the most value for any football title out there.

Anyways, about the replays. I was ranting about this earlier and on the Official Fifa forum too. PS3 version has full match replays while 360 owners are relegated to scratching around 6 second clips that completely ruins the upload feature. All 360 owners get to see is the throughball/cross/pass and then the goal. PS3 owners can watch their 20-30pass arsenal move from the start. Thanks EA.

Even though i own both, i'll be playing most of my offline on 360 version of the game due to the clear graphical difference. I dunno what EA's problem is regarding this. My 360 has a hardrive. I shouldn't be forced to watch snippets of a goal instead of a fullly worked build-up. I don't see the point in uploads on the 360 if that's the case in the final version.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Yeah I hope the replay fucntion is present in the retail version. Tried it the other day and it's really good.

Is the demo available for 360 silver users, cant remember if it was a week before us paupers get it? Want to see what the difference is as playing the ps3 version it looks like a nice upgrade from euro08 360. Nice and smooth and detailed. Its only during certain replay's that the framerate takes a hit. And from time to time a goalkick has a very, very slight stutter.

[Dr Force]

Is anyone noticing the same flaws on the higher difficulty??

The magical turning from the opposition turns it back into a frustrating affair.The space seems to be tighter when you are in posession as my players dont make the sort of intelligent runs the opposition make when they are in posession.

I just wonder if this is one of the reasons PES still has the appeal to alot of poeople as its more rewarding short term where as FIFA needs alot of time to master, which us full time family folk dont have.

Dont get me wrong, its a great game but I just find there to be a lack of space and hardly any time on the ball when you up the difficulty thus its very scrappy in almost every game i play.

I am still finding it a tad unresponsive and its not made huge strides in this department IMO.

Everything else is wonderful but will i get tired of it after 3 months like 08?......................maybe.

there is even pressure along the back line now, when you make 3-4 passes which i dont find too realistic when the play is quickly squeezed into the centre circle.

I hope I dont fall out of love with it:ROLL:

[Chris Davies]

Dr Force, have you played PES recently? I have PES2008 on the PSP and the pressure is on all game from the CPU, it never stops. I've posted it a few pages ago so I won't repeat it again, but I had to stop playing it on the PSP now that I've played the FIFA demo (and I was playing it for a few months, was enjoying it too).

It's less responsive in certain situations and the CPU cheating is far worse. You notice it as soon as you kick off; if a defender is near you it takes two seconds to register your button press so that they can get the ball off you, and if you're sprinting your player will magically decide to knock the ball ahead 15ft if you're anywhere near the goalkeeper, who will then pick it up.

You probably will get fed up of it after a month - that's no disrespect, that's just how it is, especially when you're playing the AI. No AI can be completely original and surprise you 100% of the time, it's programmed, it can't develop itself to be different every game. But the AI is far superior (team-mate wise and opposition wise) than PES and with far less cheating. IMO, of course, but I've played PES2008 on the PSP solidly for a while now.

[Dr Force]

Dr Force, have you played PES recently? I have PES2008 on the PSP and the pressure is on all game from the CPU, it never stops. I've posted it a few pages ago so I won't repeat it again, but I had to stop playing it on the PSP now that I've played the FIFA demo (and I was playing it for a few months, was enjoying it too).

It's less responsive in certain situations and the CPU cheating is far worse. You notice it as soon as you kick off; if a defender is near you it takes two seconds to register your button press so that they can get the ball off you, and if you're sprinting your player will magically decide to knock the ball ahead 15ft if you're anywhere near the goalkeeper, who will then pick it up.

You probably will get fed up of it after a month - that's no disrespect, that's just how it is, especially when you're playing the AI. No AI can be completely original and surprise you 100% of the time, it's programmed, it can't develop itself to be different every game. But the AI is far superior (team-mate wise and opposition wise) than PES and with far less cheating. IMO, of course, but I've played PES2008 on the PSP solidly for a while now.

Thanks for the reply matey.

I am guessing this is going to be an online game only for me, thats where the fun is at, especially in the organised leagues without cheating idiots etc.

I know what you mean about pressure aswell in Pes but due to the sharpness (unrealistic) turns i can get myself out of a hole quicker and therefore retain posession. FIFA (due to response but very realistic) does not allow me to do that.

I can see why offline it could be judged at a lower score and i can see the comparisons to 08 in that regard, but the game engine has definately been fine tuned to outshine anything thats gone before it. I enjoyed 08 online so i know i'll love this but the demo has shown the usual problems playing against the CPU and thats a shame for the offline peeps.

Oh well here's hoping i'll love it;))

[sweetkilla]

FIFA vs cpu I would stop playing after a week to be honest I only put up with it because of the demo!

friends over/live

thank god I had a m8 over all day 2day or i would have gone nuts after 4 days vs the cpu

[Dr Force]

FIFA vs cpu I would stop playing after a week to be honest I only put up with it because of the demo!

friends over/live

thank god I had a m8 over all day 2day or i would have gone nuts after 4 days vs the cpu

Thats cheered me up a bit, thanks Sweet:))

I thought it was just me but its clearly aimed at the human v human aspect of the market because CPU is a brain musher.

[Chris Davies]

I've enjoyed playing against the CPU so far, I think it's the best football game so far in terms of playing against the CPU; but even so it's not perfect (it's a game after all, there's only so much programming you can do) and against a real person it will always be ten times better.

The online FIFA league was the most fun I have ever had with a football game in my life, it was just brilliant. I was hoping they would build on that, with promotion/relegation, transfers etc... Ah well, next year...

[pepper63]

You are all doomed, Doomed i say, Doomed! that has naff all to do with anything i just felt like posting it..

[hitmanuk]

Out of interest does anyone play with the assissted mode...im a bit shit..i struggled with manual mode so switched to semi but got a bit frustrated..i knocked the skill level up for the challenge left shhoting and crossing on semi and the rest on adjusted....feels really good now and a lot less crowded on the pitch as the ball is going where i want :O) ....any thoughts

[sweetkilla]

Thats cheered me up a bit, thanks Sweet:))

I thought it was just me but its clearly aimed at the human v human aspect of the market because CPU is a brain musher.

yeah it definetly isn't just you. I feel the cpu cheating etc just as much and it does do my head in on world class difficulty they always press and clog up the midfield and feel 10-15% quicker than your players.

hopefully you will be playing against friends/online alot more than offline and you will find the game amazing! no doubt about that I had alot more fun with the game while at leipzig and they have closed off all the tactical aspects I wrote about which is a shame as editing your formation/attackin/defensive runs really does help you out and gets rid of some of that cpu advantage even more

[gerd]

I've just played a couple of matches with the demo (probably the last one in the world) and i must say i was mightely impressed.
I've had FIFA08 and quite enjoyed it (in fact i played it more than PES) but this one seems much better, more "fluid", the headers seem better...i will definitely buy it once again this year...

[gameklip]

we'll see how great the cpu is when i'm allowed to use my wingers effectively in the full game. SWP and ROBINHO could do some serious damage on either flank :) can't wait to try the custom tactics in full.

[danhammer]

love it when players go up for headers and just hang in the air...looks so good

[Nick Cave]

love it when players go up for headers and just hang in the air...looks so good


The heading is the biggest and best difference from 08 to 09 for me...

[Placebo]

we'll see how great the cpu is when i'm allowed to use my wingers effectively in the full game. SWP and ROBINHO could do some serious damage on either flank :) can't wait to try the custom tactics in full.

You support Tottenham but play as Manchester City? :confused:

[Jamezinho]

love it when players go up for headers and just hang in the air...looks so good

Timing seems to be an important factor when heading in this game. I love the animations when players miss headers.

[Coopz]

You support Tottenham but play as Manchester City? :confused:

you don't have to play as the team you support :LOL:

I will start a MM as Arsenal i think

[Beattie]

I know this has probably been mentioned before but anyway..

I was 1-0 up in stoppage time against Real and they get a corner. Cue a cutscene of Casillas legging it up the pitch. Low and behold he wins the header in the box due to my poor defending and hits the post only for Raul to tap in the rebound.

It was brilliant.

[drekkard]

[QUOTE=Dr Force;1444943]Thanks for the reply matey.

I am guessing this is going to be an online game only for me, thats where the fun is at, especially in the organised leagues without cheating idiots etc.
[QUOTE]

Hey, you can do as I did, I just play intermediate and play not for win but to enjoy it... and after some hours in the demo, I'm really impressed and enjoying every bit of it! In intermediate difficulty you can really play "real", slow, and see the effects of custom tactics (when the cheats kick too much in World Class, all the good things in the game get lost a bit).

I don't mind playing an inferior difficulty. What I want is to enjoy the game. In Fifa 08 I ended up playin Semi-Professional full manual and enjoying it a lot!

Of course, nothing beats Human vs Human. I've had really brilliant moments in this demo. Yesterday the cpu keeper jumped to punch the ball but collided with Dorgba and a defender and just deflected the ball. The Ballack did a very strong volley and the keeper managed to save BY STRETCHING THE LEG! The ball when to the back of a defender and went for a corner. That's quality.

This game suprasses all the competition of sport games in terms of unpredictability. Honestly, I'm having laughs, emotions and fun playing it, and every day I learn new movements, new things and see new details. It's so deep...

And thanks to Rob, that told me about protecting the ball. It's quality, I got between 2 defenders by protecting the ball and then knogking it off. I have no words for it...

[quiet_riot]

You support Tottenham but play as Manchester City? :confused:

To be fair, SWP and Robinho shit on Lennon and Bentley!

[brunnoce]

love it when players go up for headers and just hang in the air...looks so good

sometimes i think its a bit overdone...
tehre are ocasions where they literally stop in the air..looks to MATRIX for me.
but the animations are top notch i agree with that.

[evacuate]

It's been mentioned before but the through ball on manual isn't hard enough. It should be like in Euro 08, it was perfect in that game. It's like you have to hold down twice as long to get the same power as in Euro.

[Tim7]

Sorry, but I still don't like the shooting :((. I really hope it's tweaked for the final build. EVERY shot outside the box is just floaty and crap.

[evacuate]

Same here. I liked the shooting in Euro. The Euro shooting with the possibility to shoot those ever raising shots in 09 would be good to me.

[brunnoce]

Sorry, but I still don't like the shooting :((. I really hope it's tweaked for the final build. EVERY shot outside the box is just floaty and crap.

im with u tim...
u gotta press way to quick for the shoot be on target...that way u cant really decide if u want a high shoot or a low one..since all u can do is tap it otherwise the ball will end up in mars.

i have scored some top corner bombs just by taping the button..whe i was actually trying to hit a low shot

[Geefiasco]

Sorry, but I still don't like the shooting :((. I really hope it's tweaked for the final build. EVERY shot outside the box is just floaty and crap.
Agreed.

It's bloody annoying!

[shieldslfc]

Cant wait to bang one in from range with the best midfielder in the world, like hes just done against Marseille tonight....oohw yes

[stahre]

Sorry, but I still don't like the shooting :((. I really hope it's tweaked for the final build. EVERY shot outside the box is just floaty and crap.

Same here. I liked the shooting in Euro. The Euro shooting with the possibility to shoot those ever raising shots in 09 would be good to me.

I like the shooting. Since I learned to let go of the sprint button just before I shoot I have scored quite a few nice long range goals. It's different than Euro for sure but to me it seems good. With that said I hope that EA have tweaked shooting even further in time for the release. I am more worried about the swirl from freekicks and corners.:((

[stahre]

u gotta press way to quick for the shoot be on target...that way u cant really decide if u want a high shoot or a low one..since all u can do is tap it otherwise the ball will end up in mars.

i have scored some top corner bombs just by taping the button..whe i was actually trying to hit a low shot

Agree with this though. It's the opposite of the through ball where you have to keep pressing too long when you want a hard through ball. When shooting it's always just a tap and it's difficult to pick the right power.

[Placebo]

you don't have to play as the team you support :LOL:


I understand that when someone supports a shit team like Derby or Sheffield Wednesday, but to support Tottenham and play as Manchester City is just ridiculous to my mind :)

[Placebo]

Cant wait to bang one in from range with the best midfielder in the world, like hes just done against Marseille tonight....oohw yes

Don't post fucking football spoilers outside of the football threads please, some of us watch matches on delay.

[Jamie LUFC]

I really really hope EA don't over value Jermaine Beckford, again this season. Beckford is not known for his pace, it's his ability to finish clinically that makes him what he is.

A superhuman Beckford really will ruin all Manager Mode experience for me, when playing with my dearly beloved.

[74ND4 8E42]

"I don't mind playing an inferior difficulty. What I want is to enjoy the game. In Fifa 08 I ended up playin Semi-Professional full manual and enjoying it a lot!

Of course, nothing beats Human vs Human. I've had really brilliant moments in this demo. Yesterday the cpu keeper jumped to punch the ball but collided with Dorgba and a defender and just deflected the ball. The Ballack did a very strong volley and the keeper managed to save BY STRETCHING THE LEG! The ball when to the back of a defender and went for a corner. That's quality.

This game suprasses all the competition of sport games in terms of unpredictability. Honestly, I'm having laughs, emotions and fun playing it, and every day I learn new movements, new things and see new details. It's so deep..."

im right there with you bro. once i got the settings right i felt the game really came to life. world class and legendary (on 08) in fifa are like pes 6 star to me.....its all a little numbing and grating. but when i put 09 on all manual on professional theres this perfect balance and the game really shines.

[gameklip]

You support Tottenham but play as Manchester City? :confused:

aha, i try all teams. :) i may just nick their players for my spurs in manager mode. lets hope i'm better with negotiating with Dubai firms than Ashley of newcastle. (low blow :P) :D

[gameklip]

To be fair, SWP and Robinho shit on Lennon and Bentley!

oI!

[74ND4 8E42]

also have to totally disagree with the complaints about the shooting....i mean its sensitive no doubt and you have to tap quite a bit quicker than in 08 but i still feel like i can choose between top and bottom corners most of the time (hitting the target on manual is another discussion hahaha)
i wish on fouls and off side calls that players would react instead of just running around. its a small thing that would make a big difference for me. so much of the game is done so well that i feel like im watching a real match but its little things like this that snap me out...

[74ND4 8E42]

aha, i try all teams. :) i may just nick their players for my spurs in manager mode. lets hope i'm better with negotiating with Dubai firms than Ashley of newcastle. (low blow :P) :D

ye me too. whats the fun of playing the same guys all the time? ....especially when the variety of playing styles in the game is so well represented?

[Placebo]

ye me too. whats the fun of playing the same guys all the time? ....especially when the variety of playing styles in the game is so well represented?

For me the fun is in playing the team I support, making them better, getting them promoted, winning things, getting into Europe, all with my team....

[WEtongelre]

The camera still turns after scoring a goal in dynamic camera. The game is awesome, no doubt about that but I hate to score because of this! :-( I hope EA will make a patch to disable celebration mode... It's really THAT poor!

[Coopz]

Don't post fucking football spoilers outside of the football threads please, some of us watch matches on delay.

Your fighting a losing battle mate

CB tried and failed to get a similar rule going

[74ND4 8E42]

For me the fun is in playing the team I support, making them better, getting them promoted, winning things, getting into Europe, all with my team....

i feel you and im the same way with manager mode.....but do you always play with your supported team online as well? perhaps you only play offline?
i really like improving my team by signing all the players i wish the team would (or could haha) sign. after a bit im always most excited about new signings and how they will change the dynamic of my team. man i sound like a nerd. oh well...

[airjoca]

About shooting:

I've only had problems of shots balooning over the bar when:

- I'm sprinting with RT and shoot at the same time.
- I shoot with the players weak foot.
- My player is under a lot of pressure
- When my player is unbalenced/not aligned with goal.

If I shoot under none of the above conditions, I usually shoot pretty well... :)

[Coopz]

Yeah shooting is so different this year because so many factors are taken into account

I like the fact that alot of shots are high wide and handsome because you see more of them than you do crackers in real life

[Placebo]

i feel you and im the same way with manager mode.....but do you always play with your supported team online as well? perhaps you only play offline?
i really like improving my team by signing all the players i wish the team would (or could haha) sign. after a bit im always most excited about new signings and how they will change the dynamic of my team. man i sound like a nerd. oh well...

I only play offline yes, and I don't like making a stupid fantasy team by signing Gerrard and Ronaldo and Messi and all that rubbish, I take the real players and make them better by experience then add a few <23 year old free signings to build on :)

[shieldslfc]

Don't post fucking football spoilers outside of the football threads please, some of us watch matches on delay.

If you are really interested in a team, or a result you watch the game live, you can watch any game live no matter what country you are in, so dont give me that shit, and I didnt exactly spoil it, didn't mention the score.

[74ND4 8E42]

I only play offline yes, and I don't like making a stupid fantasy team by signing Gerrard and Ronaldo and Messi and all that rubbish, I take the real players and make them better by experience then add a few <23 year old free signings to build on :)

ye i dont get pumped on big stars either. i think i got in the habit of always searching for cheap young players from the master league in pes because it kind of forces you to do that (on the higher difficulty levels).
i suppose its all relative though....do you consider agbonlahor a fantasy player? its guys like him and jefferson farfan and giovanni dos santos that im always looking to sign.....

[hanakuka]

ye i dont get pumped on big stars either. i think i got in the habit of always searching for cheap young players from the master league in pes because it kind of forces you to do that (on the higher difficulty levels).
i suppose its all relative though....do you consider agbonlahor a fantasy player? its guys like him and jefferson farfan and giovanni dos santos that im always looking to sign.....

i'm definately with you on the the dos santos or young players with huge potential but i also like to scout for players cos its always like a lucky dip you don't know what your gonna get and you can sell them off at end of the season if they're crap for double the price:SMOKIN:

[74ND4 8E42]

i'm definately with you on the the dos santos or young players with huge potential but i also like to scout for players cos its always like a lucky dip you don't know what your gonna get and you can sell them off at end of the season if they're crap for double the price:SMOKIN:

i actually never worked that option in 08 maybe in 09 ill give it a shot. i know back in the day in nhl 95 i used to build an entire team of fictional game designed young dudes and that was always a lot of fun.

[gameklip]

About shooting:

I've only had problems of shots balooning over the bar when:

- I'm sprinting with RT and shoot at the same time.
- I shoot with the players weak foot.
- My player is under a lot of pressure
- When my player is unbalenced/not aligned with goal.

If I shoot under none of the above conditions, I usually shoot pretty well... :)


just like real life then eh? well whaddayaknow? ;))

[stilts1844]

OK first off I'm really liking what I'm seeing mostly. And since we've heard most of the positives, just a few things I'm worried about:

Are the arrows that you can set for each individual player gone? If they've taken this out because of custom tactics I will be upset- custom tactics effects the whole team but what if i want to set something for just one player? what if i want zambrotta going forward and jankulovski staying back? I hope this is just cause of the demo. I'm holding out hope it is cause I also can't see the 'player traits' screen, which I assume they haven't removed.

Also, as I've mentioned before, attributes. I'd like someone to test this out since i've only been able to test it against the computer. Try putting your most offensive minded player who is still fast/strong (ronaldinho, kaka etc) as a central defender... does it make a difference? I'm trying it out now and so far..... not so much. with ronaldinho and boriello at the back, they still maintain pretty good positioning and tackle well. Does anyone notice a difference in tackling skills separate from just strength? Also are we noticing a big enough difference in passing skills? Trapping?

To me the game plays such a great game of football, if attributes still don't really matter it would be a real shame as I think it's a huge part of the game... someone who can play multiplayer (and is willing) test this and tell me what you think :)

[gomito#10]

If you are really interested in a team, or a result you watch the game live, you can watch any game live no matter what country you are in, so dont give me that shit, and I didnt exactly spoil it, didn't mention the score.

dude be respectful. some people work and cant watch the games live. welcome to reality my friend

[gomito#10]

Yeah shooting is so different this year because so many factors are taken into account

I like the fact that alot of shots are high wide and handsome because you see more of them than you do crackers in real life

coopz do you know what that avatar is? ohhhhh oh ohhhhhhhh ohhhh oh ohhhhhhh oh

you tyring to piss off becanes?

[brunnoce]

dude be respectful. some people work and cant watch the games live. welcome to reality my friend


co-sign...
theres 100% no need to spoil these kind of things in THIS thread..theres a specific thread/section for that talking and people that cant wacth the games live(like me and placebo for instance) dont go there at macth times for a reason.

anyways i think he didnt do it conciously...so, no harm taken.

[Blaccat]

My Transfer list for 09

Uche - Getafe
Mikel - Chelski
Obodo - Udinese
Wilshere - Arsenal
Fabianski - Arsenal
Chrisantus - Hamburg
Zidan - Dortmund
Guiza - Fenerbahce
Senderos - Arsenal
Lucio - Bayern
Traore - Arsenal

lol

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Don't know if it was mentioned, but when using the modifier (l2 on new alternative) shots have far more dip. Was in the arena with Niang from marseille and tried them and his shots really had some dip in them. Try it with ronaldinho and its far less obvious.

[Blaccat]

My first 09 compilation is here!!!

enjoy

click on title to watch high quaity
YouTube - FIFA09 - GOALS, GO GOALSSS!!!! GOALISIMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8xsD3MLUi0&fmt=18)

[damianpadden]

sweet compilation, best so far, love the skills.

[WILDSTER180774]

Gave the demo a real good session last night. Still loving it immensly. Just a couple of negatives that i took from last night.
- OFFSIDES : Had 2 occassions last night when my forward was given offside when he was still inside my own half.
- REFEREE ADVANTAGE : A few times when the ref has let play continue and my player has the ball and is in a good forward position the ref then blows for a free kick.

Also why does the white kits have a pinky look to them. Is it because the match is played at DUSK or perhaps just my TV.

And do you think we will ever see the player name graphics on the shirts corrected. Kaka for example is way s t r e t c h e d. Looks crap. All that hard work ea do on graphics and yet they seem to let that go by the wayside time after time.

And lastly do you think that the harshness of the refs will be turned down a little for the final version? Think i remember Suff saying on his podcast from Canada that the game was delibrately harsh to give a taster of the fouls/referee physics. Hope so.

[Blaccat]

sweet compilation, best so far, love the skills.
Thx bro

[WILDSTER180774]

i think when i get the game on release my first match will be AC Milan Vs Chelsea in the FIWC Stadium, 2 min half :DOH:

[DagsJT]

:LOL:

[Achillias]

Thx bro

How did you done that celebration dive with landing on you're belly.

[Coopz]

coopz do you know what that avatar is? ohhhhh oh ohhhhhhhh ohhhh oh ohhhhhhh oh

you tyring to piss off becanes?

Yeah its Florida State my new team and Rivals to Becanes :))

[Andreas]

Just noticed a nice detail. A player on the CPU team was in offside, but received a pass. So he just slips it through his legs, without touching it, and the player behind him takes it instead, and is through on goal. Don't know if this was just random or whatever, but it was cool to watch.

[Coopz]

that should have been given offside because he was interfering with play ;))

[Blaccat]

How did you done that celebration dive with landing on you're belly.
I dnt know m8, i was attempting something else but i loved it tho

[Blaccat]

that should have been given offside because he was interfering with play ;))
Not really tho if he was stopping an opposing player from getting to the ball refs might allow it

[Coopz]

But he's putting the oppo off by letting it run through his legs

[DagsJT]

You see players walking away from the ball loads of times, letting the ball roll passed their legs. As long as they don't touch it, or stop the opposition, then they're fine.

[Treetopp]

Coopz is right.

Fifa says:
Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

A player that lets the ball pass between his legs, is clearly intefering with play.

[Nick Cave]

Coopz is right.



A player that lets the ball pass between his legs, is clearly intefering with play.

I have to say if it happened in a real game lines... er I mean assistant ref's and ref's would flag or blow up for offside...

[Andreas]

Probably, yeah. But it was a nice detail, though it was probably just random.

[drekkard]

I wish they don't tone down the refs for the final release. In real life when you take down someone with a sliding tackle it's a yellow card most of the times. I love this, and love the way the CPU fouls you again and again and they earn yellow cards. I love the balance of fouls / cards right now, it's just so spot on.