FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[SagiB]

There are no slowdowns while you play.
There are slowdowns only in the Arena, when the game loads the stadium.

[serkanozen]

I played the Fifa 09 demo (PS3 version)and ı loved it.Player responsiveness is improved a lot, it has wonderful animations (i wish PES had this kind of animations), Artificial intelligence is improved it is hard to pass midfield especially while playing against big teams.Both aerial and ground play is well executed and most importantly it is very very fun to play.
I felt like the times ı played PES 10 years ago.Although PES demo was not released judging on the trailers of PES I am sure that this year Fifa is going to be better than PES.Anybody who loves football will certainly love Fifa.I recommemend to every one to play Fifa 09 demo.

[pbchillin]

I've just had Petr Cech let in an absolute howler! It looked so real though, I'm unsure if it's a glitch, or something proper.

Kaka had a shot from 25 yards, Cech dived on the floow as if to grab it, and he went under his body, and sort of bounced up into the roof of the net.

[Scorpio]

I agree with the headers. Finding it really difficult to win headers in this version. Well thats not entirely true. Offensive headers. I win most headers in defence, but have yet to have a shot on goal via a header. :SS Maybe im a crap crosser?

I've got the same problem, haven't scored any headers yet. And that's because my crosses are absolute crap. Any advice from the pro's would be appreciated.

I've fallen in love with a football game and it's been a long time coming...

[DaWolf]

Imo there are too many goals scored from one on ones. The variety seems to be lacking and that it what separates it from PES. Plus there are not enough animations for the keeper and the ball still feels to light.

But apart from that Fifa 09 is a great game.

[s33k3rgr]

Imo there are too many goals scored from one on ones. The variety seems to be lacking and that it what separates it from PES. Plus there are not enough animations for the keeper and the ball still feels to light.

But apart from that Fifa 09 is a great game.

To me that i havent played fifa 08 (i intend to buy a ps3 just for fifa09) this sounds a very negative point. And from the videos i always see that kind of goals.Should i be worried??

[DagsJT]

My brother has just scored from a free kick near the halfway line, totally shite keeping and the first time the keepers have let me down.

YouTube - Halfway line goal FIFA 09 demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7PJVMORgac)

[Nick Cave]

Would have been better if the keeper had made more effort but freak goals like that do happen I guess...

[DaWolf]

To me that i havent played fifa 08 (i intend to buy a ps3 just for fifa09) this sounds a very negative point. And from the videos i always see that kind of goals.Should i be worried??

Weell I see it that way: Both games have their pros and cons. Fifa got the presantation, graphics, licences and a great build a play but PES has the more exciting goals and better ball physics.

The reason I sold Fifa 08 because after weeks of playing I just saw the same goals happening over and over again. I think that coukld easily be happening with 09 as well.

[s33k3rgr]

Weell I see it that way: Both games have their pros and cons. Fifa got the presantation, graphics, licences and a great build a play but PES has the more exciting goals and better ball physics.

The reason I sold Fifa 08 because after weeks of playing I just saw the same goals happening over and over again. I think that coukld easily be happening with 09 as well.

What do you mean by saying that?

[Nick Cave]

What do you mean by saying that?

He was confirming your comment on the same goal's all the time ...

[Nick Cave]

Quite a bit of that was down to the way keepers were virtually unbeatable at certain points and angles though I think, hopefully this has been corrected...

[Geefiasco]

Anyone know if the player "running" animation has changed in a newer build of the game?

They run like spastics on the demo. The running animation on 08 was much better.

[BillyBoy]

I have been playing the game alot with friends and its just so much fun. I keep going back for more. The pace on Normal is good because I found 08's speed a bit to slow for my liking. In my opinion fast is just silly. The only problems I have noticed are the regular free kick ball physics which are a bit loopy. Penalties have become tiresome so I tend to quit the match before it ends. Overall though this is a definite day one purchase. Roll on October 3rd. :)

[chriscrocker]

That guys goals look good but it seems like he's on mostly assisted and normal game speed so it's like woopedy-do.

After a day of FIFA I'm playing on mostly semi/manual with only through balls assisted at the moment so I think I'm doing fairly well. :p

I am noticing a few issues with the game in general, the squad selection menus are extremely cramped, the little player pic in the bio looks shit and it's impossible to see how good players are overall unless you drill down and view the stats which is also a pain in the ass, there is no player comparison tools and no overview square thing. I really hope this is just a demo thing and will be better in the final game. Some of the stats and features are really cool but from a usability point of view it's a nightmare.

Must have played a hundred matches now and I'm still constantly seeing new things. For example last night I hit a shot with Lampard, it richoched of a defender, took a HUGE deflection, looked like it was going towards row Z but dipped like mad, SMASHED against the crossbar and bounced out made all the more impressive by the thudding vibration on the controller. Absolutely amazing that was.

[Nick Cave]

That guys goals look good but it seems like he's on mostly assisted and normal game speed so it's like woopedy-do.

After a day of FIFA I'm playing on mostly semi/manual with only through balls assisted at the moment so I think I'm doing fairly well. :p

I am noticing a few issues with the game in general, the squad selection menus are extremely cramped, the little player pic in the bio looks shit and it's impossible to see how good players are overall unless you drill down and view the stats which is also a pain in the ass, there is no player comparison tools and no overview square thing. I really hope this is just a demo thing and will be better in the final game. Some of the stats and features are really cool but from a usability point of view it's a nightmare.



Don't count on it, the whole menu and off field system for FIFA has always been awkward at best, the comparison thing is a big fault IMO and will not be corrected in 09... :((

[DaWolf]

What do you mean by saying that?

Oh I meant build up play - like everything that happens between the edge of the penalty areas. I just dont like how the goals are being scored which has to do with the ball physics and the keeper animations I think.

[chriscrocker]

That kind of sucks, the gameplay is good enough to make up for it but that is certainly something from PES I would miss badly. I love being able to go through the squad list and have the stats on the right.

[sweetkilla]

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=124151

[chriscrocker]

Reading between the lines I have come to the following conclusion:

That person is a fucking retard.

[Scutch]

The advanced skills are now up in the Video clip thread.

Some incredible moves are available, and I'm pretty sure there'll be plenty more to be found. Pulling them off during a game though, much more difficult.

[danhammer]

my first impressions after downloading the demo last night

IT'S FUCKING AWESOME

[sweetkilla]

Reading between the lines I have come to the following conclusion:

That person is a fucking retard.

yeah

[Nick Cave]

Really liking the heading but I am trying not top play anymore as I want to keep playing 08 till release, and even after just a couple of plays going back to 08 is a big step backwards in places...

[Trance_Allstar]

To be honest I'm more excited to play the game now that I've read some negative comments. I'm unsure as to where I will fall once I play the game.

Also I am looking forward to trying to do what no video has shown so far; playing it around the back 4, playing possession football, and seeing how the game responds to that sort of approach. I'll probably try and play possession for a full game, not even seeking to create chances, just seeing how well you can play "a la Barca".

Hoping my bro left his Xbox so I can take it for a whirl. :)

[chriscrocker]

I've seen some awesome passing moves put together, that is one of the things that really impresses me. I can play a very slow build up approach, interchanging between the midfield and defence until you spot an opportunity to launch an attack, or you can quite easily play a nice lofted direct pass to your front men or to the wings from one of your back four/keeper. I believe this will only be accentuated when you have full access to custom tactics.

Playing as Milan/Madrid you can really play neat passing triangles and the best thing is you can use through balls more comfortably than in PES as you have more control over it, so this allows you to utilise space in compact situations much more effectively. The first time passing seems very responsive to me and you can string passes together very well. I love the fact that when you hold L1 and pass the players make proper runs and scream for the ball, unlike PES where they invariably run a few paces then just lose interest.

[Chris Davies]

I really can't understand the violent negativity towards it at some websites, although admittedly, if it's widespread (IGN, MaxConsole, the EA forums) then quite a few people must have issues with it.

Playing it again though (couldn't help myself, even though I'm making the wait to October worse) it looks and feels like the perfect football simulation to me. I can't see anything like "you can't control your players" - I can control mine perfectly. Do these guys not understand momentum? They've played PES too much and got used to what Trance_Allstar describes earlier in the thread (i.e. players could turn "on a dime", or as my dad says, "on a sixpence").

The thing is, and I did it myself, when you play a game non-stop and all the magazines tell you it's a near-perfect simulation, you start to believe it. But players don't turn like they do in PES, you have to shift your weight and think ahead. You have to turn one way knowing that when you're facing that way you can easily knock the ball in a certain direction, where the opposition player can't imagine you knocking the ball to, and where he can't get you. Players aren't balls, they can't just roll in a new direction. Even the fastest and the most agile know they have to go one way to "set themselves up" to move to the spot they want to get to. You can't run backwards and flip around like you're magnetic to face a new direction.

The only criticism I could make is that it's a tad too fast for my liking, and yet at the same time shots could be harder. But you have to remember, we're playing Chelsea v Real Madrid, AC Milan v Marseille; I bet it's not fast when I play as Tranmere against bloody Huddersfield!! And I've still managed to score some screamers.

I scored a goal against a friend last night that was like the Bobby Charlton shots of old, like the one in that bio-yoghurt advert running at the minute in the UK where the cheeky kid asks for the ball back and he hits a hard, rising shot into the net. Absolutely beautiful goal to watch, and something the keeper would have saved every time in FIFA 08. Something that either would have rocketed over the bar in PES despite you tapping the button like that thing is on fire, or the goalkeeper would have palmed into the net like an idiot.

I really don't understand the negativity that's around...

[drekkard]

This demo is amazing. I've scored in many many many different ways, most of them very gratifying. Last night I scored a scissor kick and a rocket from 25 yards that went higher and higher until reaching the net. The goalkeeper stretched but couldn't touch the ball that went in in the corner. Very very impressive.

I also scored a volley (in Fifa it was very difficult, even in Euro) between a wood of legs in the area after a rebound.

I've scored many headers, most of them really really nice!

My only grip with the game right now is that all the teams do a lot of pressure to your back 4, when in the real world a weaker team would never do that kind of pressure all the time against a big one, but that can be treated and solved with the deep tactics.

I've been tweaking the customized tactics and they make big differences, I can't wait to have all the options enabled in the full game!

And finally, I clearly see big differences between big teams and weaker temas, and between the different kind of players. I find Madrid to suit better to my style (I'm a barça fan, so I try to think to myself I'm playing another team) maybe because they work better in 1-2s and triangles and through balls.

I LOVE this demo, I LOVE it a lot! Yesterday we tried with friends and were all of us very impressed. Some instant conversions from PES toi FIFA also, so I'm happy we finally have a unique and impressive game to play all of us.

ENJOY IT!!!!!

[winston]

Getting very bored playing against the cpu. Still too much cpu interference so you don't have full control all the time. I hate that.

Long (lobbed) manual passing seems to be 8 directional and that is getting on my tits. Also, too often, I play a long diagonal ball towards a team-mate and the cpu just doesn't register that the ball's going to him. It refuses to switch selection to him, and when it finally does, you still don't really control him, and end up having to use super-cancel, which makes the control all weird, and then the ball just bounces off him because the cpu still doesn't recognise him as a player who should be receiving that long pass.

It's not free, there's still this sense that you're trapped in an AI model...which, of course, you are.

Player switching is crap. Can't wait for be-a-pro so I don't have to switch ever again.

Also can't wait for 10v10 so I never have to play against the cpu again.

[imothop]

I'm sick and tired of penalty shootouts... :(

hmmm, strange - i still love it, i think it is really fun. But i am german and it is a penalty shootout, so you know the rest :DD

[Rob92]

About people wanting tips on crosses - I think you are too used to FIFA 08's where you just need a slight tap to get a good cross and PES where you have no power bar.
It takes getting used to, but:

1) Put more power in them, underhit ones are useless
2) Be careful where you aim with the analog stick - they are very sensitive to your aiming even on semi. You can choose to aim it between the defenders and keeper for one of your strikers to run onto or try to loft it up towards your strikers head. Power them accordingly with which you decide to choose, whipping them in between the defence and keeper would need less height.
3) Players like Drogba will be better at headers, obviously.
4) If the cross is behind the striker, you will struggle to get good contacvt on it and it is most likely going to be easy for the keeper.
5) Look for late runs from midfielders - Ballack is great at these and has got me quite a few headed goals.
6) Try different angles - if crossing from the byline isn't working then try crossing from deeper, or cutting inside and hitting an inswinger.

I have scored quite a lot of goals from crosses, I love them. The way you can whip them in, the way you can power the headers in, the animations, the keepers reactions, everything about them is good.

About people complaining about player styles - I think they have done a good job this time. I just said it earlier in the post but Ballack making his late runs into the box shows that the positioning and runs of players are lifelike - I never saw Ballack make any such runs in PES.

[juhu00[2]]

Hi guys.

I am playing Pes since the first game of the series, til Pes 2008 came out.
I was rather disappointed so i thought i will give Fifa a chance.
Now i played the Fifa 09 demo on the Pc but i think it's just crap but with huge potential.

Is Fifa 09 better on the console? I don't have a 360 or Ps3, but if Fifa is so much better on the console i might buy one?

[imothop]

@Rob92

Thank you. I am really bad at crosses and i am going to try some of your tips for sure. But again, 2 Mins Half are killing me :-(

[s33k3rgr]

;1442058']Hi guys.

I am playing Pes since the first game of the series, til Pes 2008 came out.
I was rather disappointed so i thought i will give Fifa a chance.
Now i played the Fifa 09 demo on the Pc but i think it's just crap but with huge potential.

Is Fifa 09 better on the console? I don't have a 360 or Ps3, but if Fifa is so much better on the console i might buy one?
the same here

[imothop]

;1442058']
Is Fifa 09 better on the console? I don't have a 360 or Ps3, but if Fifa is so much better on the console i might buy one?

It is a difference like day and night, really. You can't even compare both Games anymore (PC and Consoles). If you can get your hands on PS3 or Xbox360, do it - you will never ever regret it.

[psychstigma]

;1442058']Hi guys.

I am playing Pes since the first game of the series, til Pes 2008 came out.
I was rather disappointed so i thought i will give Fifa a chance.
Now i played the Fifa 09 demo on the Pc but i think it's just crap but with huge potential.

Is Fifa 09 better on the console? I don't have a 360 or Ps3, but if Fifa is so much better on the console i might buy one?

FIFA 09 on the PC is the old-gen console/previous PC gameplay engine, only with an overhaul of the graphics engine.Still plays a decent game of footy.

FIFA 09 on the PS3/360 is a totally different game engine. With the console price drops it is definately worth getting one just to play this years footy games.

[red_devils2k4]

Fifa 09 demo is the best football game out there. its so fluid, so real that sometimes i think im watching a real match. EA did a good job. The only negative point i can find with that demo is its 2min only!! wat the hell EA 2min!! I cant wait for the full game to come.

[FlawlessCowboy]

In FIFA 08 / Euro, you could hold down LB and then when you pressed the long pass / cross button, it would put the ball into the box from any area on the pitch, allowing you to cross the ball into the box even if your not in the 'crossing' area, where it automatically does it regardless.

This doesn't seem to work on the FIFA 09 demo? Am I missing something?

[s33k3rgr]

In FIFA 08 / Euro, you could hold down LB and then when you pressed the long pass / cross button, it would put the ball into the box from any area on the pitch, allowing you to cross the ball into the box even if your not in the 'crossing' area, where it automatically does it regardless.

This doesn't seem to work on the FIFA 09 demo? Am I missing something?

this is very serious...

[stahre]

I really don't understand the negativity that's around...

Totally agree. This is the most amazing football experience to date. No question about it. The more I play the demo the more I like it. I was expecting much from this game but this was even better than I thought it would be. :DD and this is just the demo with 2 minutes halves...:w00t:

One of the things that people find negative that I really like is that the referee shows more cards. I like that you get cards not only from sliding tackles. You should have to play a bit more cautious when you have got booked. That is realistic to me.

Overall, a lot of the things that people don't like, I find realistic. I just hope that EA don't get too much critique for creating a more realistic experience but I am afraid they do. People want arcade... :((

The midfield battles are just brilliant! Bring on october 3rd..

[astirling]

It might be serious......but it's not true. It's there. Have a look at the button configuration in case you're holding down the wrong button. The default configuration swapped a couple of the shoulder buttons for me.

[s33k3rgr]

It might be serious......but it's not true. It's there. Have a look at the button configuration in case you're holding down the wrong button. The default configuration swapped a couple of the shoulder buttons for me.

i am reliefed...

[s33k3rgr]

Totally agree. This is the most amazing football experience to date. No question about it. The more I play the demo the more I like it. I was expecting much from this game but this was even better than I thought it would be. :DD and this is just the demo with 2 minutes halves...:w00t:

One of the things that people find negative that I really like is that the referee shows more cards. I like that you get cards not only from sliding tackles. You should have to play a bit more cautious when you have got booked. That is realistic to me.

Overall, a lot of the things that people don't like, I find realistic. I just hope that EA don't get too much critique for creating a more realistic experience but I am afraid they do. People want arcade... :((

The midfield battles are just brilliant! Bring on october 3rd..

Some people want arcade, some people sim.

[stahre]

Some people want arcade, some people sim.

Sure, to each their own, I just want EA to continue working towards realism and I am a bit surprised by all the negative comments, but everyone has their own preferences and no opinion is wrong.

[Keith Houchen]

I really can't understand the violent negativity towards it at some websites, although admittedly, if it's widespread (IGN, MaxConsole, the EA forums) then quite a few people must have issues with it.

I've been reading all the major forums over the past few days and I'm fairly certain that a problem we've been seeing all year is still going on. People are still confusing the PC and next-gen console versions. On PES Gaming in particular (for some reason that place is the worst offender, IMO) on Thursday they seemed to love downloading the PC demo version of FIFA09, and dismissing it. I'd say this accounts for a lot of the negativity you still see out there.

Over on the official EA forums the line is clearly drawn between last-gen and next-gen versions, so the negaitivity there might be slightly more constructive and worth paying attention to. Well, if most of it wasn't from ADHD-afflicted 15-year-olds, it would be.

After a few days on the demo I'm not seeing many negatives. The 'Bobby Charlton' goals that I'm hearing about - and nearly scoring - are amazing. The PS3 graphics are a worry for me personally right now. Otherwise, I suppose I'll know in January if FIFA09 is the game it appears right now to be. If I'm still playing it then, it most likely will be.

[FlawlessCowboy]

It might be serious......but it's not true. It's there. Have a look at the button configuration in case you're holding down the wrong button. The default configuration swapped a couple of the shoulder buttons for me.

Apologies, yes it is there! I swear it wasn't working at first though but everything seems normal now :)

Thanks very much

[Rob92]

Uh oh, I just scored from kick off from the fully powered up long ball :-ll. I just tried it a couple of times to see if it would still cause goals/corners to see if they fixed it, and they havn't.

[airjoca]

Can anyone tell me how to utilise the 2nd man on freekicks? Can you lay it off and then hit it with the second man? Thanks

Press LT to call the 2nd man. If you want him to pass to another player hold LT and press A.

[luke909]

Is it possible to practise freekicks or penalties in arena mode?

[santiago]

Is it possible to practise freekicks or penalties in arena mode?

Just press the d-pad

[hitmanuk]

Is it possible to practise freekicks or penalties in arena mode?

yeah on the 360 decide where you want to take a free kick and press the dpad and it will set u up for a freekick (no wall though) do the same in the area for a penalty

[evacuate]

it has been well over 48 hours since the demo was released on Xbox Live and still Silver users can't download it. What is it three days exclusive to Gold members? So annoying, I would think 48 hours would be enough to get their point across that they want people to buy live...

[Geefiasco]

Anyone think the outside of the boot shots occur way to often?

Also, the ball hits the post/bar waaaaaaay too often.

[evacuate]

hitting the post and bar often is probably because you're not on manual shooting.

[Chris Davies]

Just had a couple of amazing games against a mate. Really flowing stuff. We experimented with passing the ball about and to my surprise the speed felt just right when we did; it's only when playing the CPU on the hardest difficulty that you feel it, because they press constantly throughout the match. I experimented just now by putting the CPU difficulty down a notch and the constant pressing wasn't as bad - but ironically I got beat 2-0, which is my biggest defeat so far!! :|

But yeah, I nearly scored the best goal of my life. I was dinking it about in midfield, real Barcelona stuff, sprayed a ball out to the winger (who started his run there on his own accord, very intelligent movement all around), who floated it in PERFECTLY to the near post. So satisfying when it's you that's powering it up and not the game. Van Nistelrooy started running (again on his own) into position to head it, and I managed to get up and put real power on the header... Only for it to go inches wide. It was gut-wrenching.

Also hit a screamer from 35 yards out (realising the keeper was out) and it went just a smidge over the bar. And after that, I did a cross from the midfield that Ronaldinho hit on the volley, we both said "what a great goal" ... until we realised it had hit the side netting, at which point I corrected myself; "what a great goal that would have been"!

Something else I just noticed, the first couple of games were cards galore - in fairness I think the tackles would have got cards in real life because they weren't well-timed, I think some of us are a bit stuck in the "gaming" world, by which I mean this; we press tackle to try and get the ball and if the tackle misses, we just get on with it (you do in PES anyway, apart from PES5 where the referee would blow if you so much as farted). In the real world, mistimed tackles earn yellow cards, because pros rarely mistime tackles.

But anyway, in the last game we had, there were a few bad tackles, and the referee gave free-kicks, but didn't get the card out once. Do you get different referees in the demo I wonder?

(By the way, I play on semi shooting and I haven't hit the post or the bar yet in-game; only in the arena)

[Geefiasco]

hitting the post and bar often is probably because you're not on manual shooting.
Every shot seems to hit the post or bar, its ridiculous.

I'll have to start practising on manual then :(

[Rob92]

What a goal!

After watching that tricks tutorial, I decided I would try that McGeady trick in a match - I was facing the sideline with a defender on my back, then I pulled off that trick which perfectly beat the defender, then I got a cross in and Van Nistelrooy heads across the keeper and into the top corner.

[depesser]

the last time i enjoyed playing a fifa game was fifa 98 road to the worldcup,since iss pro evolution soccer it was only the pes series for me,and until pes2008 i found pes superiour in everything but the licences.
pes 2008 was a disgrace compared to pes6 on ps2,i have good hopes for pes 2009 ,but after playing the fifa 09 demo i have to admit its a very good game that i am going to buy,i like that i can play the same way like pes through the buttonconfiguration,using the d-pad for moving and l1 for sprinting is so much more natural to me,and this way i can swith between pes2009 and fifa09 without adjusting.
i find the crosses and shooting,and also the high troughball not as good as pes6 on ps2,but the animations and collisions are beter in fifa09.
i like that you can choose gamespeed(slow for me),and camerahight and distance,the playermodels are much improved and the playerfaces look not as neanderthalers like in the past.
i dont know if in the retailversion you can customize this,but i find the dots on the radar not good enough,sometimes i cant see wich are from my teams,playing fairly closecam i need this for my passinggame.
hope pes2009 is also a good game than there are two good footballgames this year.
about the leagues in fifa09,i believe in fifa08 there were 30 leagues,but in the demo i see only 24 leaguelogos ,and i did not see belgian league,is the list not complete or are there 6 leagues less this year?

[Bobo21]

About people wanting tips on crosses...<snipped>

also vary your crosses - be sure to utilize double tap (low, in-swinging cross) and triple tap (ground cross) :thumbup:

[Chris Davies]

Just put Euro 2008 in for something to do (the two-minute halves are killing me)...

The faces, compared to FIFA 09, are unrecognisable. It's shocking, and I thought the faces were great in Euro! What a comparison. Look at John Terry on Euro 2008, then look at him on FIFA 09. It's like two different people!

[Mark]

Can anyone tell me how to change the gamespeed in the PS3 demo? Is it possible?

[bcass8]

I think this game is amazing. The more you play it the better it is. I'm learning new things all the time like the curled through ball for example.For me Fifa 08 was great but wasn't responsive enough but this is on a different level. I'm getting the same feeling I used to get when playing Pro Evo a few years ago !!

[Chris Davies]

Can anyone tell me how to change the gamespeed in the PS3 demo? Is it possible?
Go into the settings before the game, press R2 to access the "advanced" settings, and the game-speed option is the last option (you have to scroll to the very bottom).

[evacuate]

The curled passes are automatic for good players right?

[psychstigma]

When the Fifa 08 demo came out last year, the response was mixed, just like it is right now with this demo. Then the full game came out and on some level played a better game than the demo did, and reactions from people were somewhat better (just go back to last year in the forums to see what I'm talking about).

I see this year being no different. Although the final product is usually the same as the demos, we have to realize that this build is certainly a month or more old as the rosters are outdated (compared with the Fifa 09 PC demo)so there still may be a few tweaks to the final game before it goes gold.

[Matk]

I am loving the demo - cant wait for the full version to come out. Is anyone having problems when playing multiplayer on configuring the second controller? I mean you can set the controls for passing, shooting etc to manual however you can not change the second persons controller to Alternate configuration. Any ideas where I am going wrong?

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Really, really good. I could write an essay but I think it's all been said already.

I understand what Thomas was on about though with the slow control of players, but to combat this I use the "trick/modifier" button and it gives you close control straight away. Helps a lot for turning with the ball quickly.

As for the pace of the game, we, I had this last year aswell. Not so much that the "pace" of the game was really fast, but that you ended up rushing everything to score. Made the complaints about responsiveness and all that seem all the more valid. Im seeing the same happen to me atm, games just seem a kick and rush-fest when you try to do the same amount as a normal match. Really you should "aim" to create one good chance/passage of play per half instead of scoring/winning. It calms it right down and makes it all the better. Oh well, 3 weeks till release.

[viniciusdcs]

it has been well over 48 hours since the demo was released on Xbox Live and still Silver users can't download it. What is it three days exclusive to Gold members? So annoying, I would think 48 hours would be enough to get their point across that they want people to buy live...
It sucks, Silver members have to wait 7 days to download demos. So we'll have to wait till' next week.

[Chris Davies]

Trying to play Euro 2008 (or FIFA 08 for that matter) is horrible after playing the FIFA 09 demo. Put the game on professional and Andorra play better than Real Madrid do on the hardest difficulty, your tackles fly around the player rather than at him, you find yourself pressing shoot hoping the ball will bounce loose (forgetting that it doesn't in the older games)... You can feel just how much the game has improved, it's like when the old PES games used to tweak things from release to release, except this is a massive step forward.

Just to show you what I meant by the faces in FIFA 08/Euro 2008 being a lot worse than I remember, and how much better they are now (taken with phone camera so apologies about the quality, but it's good enough to see the difference)...

John Terry in Euro 2008
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6808/terry1mr2.jpg

John Terry now in FIFA 09
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1618/terry2ae0.jpg

Look at the difference! They look like two different people!

[Bingham67]

Yep night and day difference :))

[wan_d7]

For me,this is the best football game i've played other than PEs6. if you say fifa08 is better,i don't know what you've been playing before cuz it's obviously by far better (i'm talking bout the demo thou). few minor disadvantages is still there like frame drop in cutscenes and replay,corner. and the goalie diving very late after the ball pass him,and obviously is the goalie didn't came out for the ball even it's just few steps away from him,resulting i' scoring a very nice goal. haha. overall 8.5/10. superb//.
Ps: i do think xbox version is much better. feel the ps3 less sharper.

[depesser]

mark,to change gamespeed,standard on game setting is basic on top of screen,push r1,now you see advanced and match on top screen.
use d-pad to go down under pitch pattern,there you gave gamespeed.

[Nick Cave]

I'm gonna have to stop lookin in here makes me want to play the demo more and that will kill 08 for me...

[Placebo]

it has been well over 48 hours since the demo was released on Xbox Live and still Silver users can't download it. What is it three days exclusive to Gold members? So annoying, I would think 48 hours would be enough to get their point across that they want people to buy live...

It sucks, Silver members have to wait 7 days to download demos. So we'll have to wait till' next week.


Why not create a new xbox live account to get 1 month's free gold? Assuming you haven't already got your 3x1 months free? Or you could buy a 48hr code off Ebay? Or you can download the demo off usenet and burn to DVD?

[pepper63]

I can't wait to play online,with these new tackles i'm gonna fuck someone up good and proper..:DD

[wan_d7]

nick,just create US account dude
u can get the demo right away
i even have 3 account,EU,us, and singapore :LOL:

[tuta]

A strange bug happened when my PKs was about to start.

My keeper was walking in circles inside the goal and the screens flashed.
Then I saw that I scored a PK without shooting since I was the keeper 5 sec ago.

And since then, the score was messed up. When I scored or missed, it was only visible at my next shooter's turn and not during the CPU's turn.

Weird...

[Chris Davies]

For those asking if the final version will be any different to the demo, Suff's just said this in the WENB podcast...

- Suff's played the final code a few days ago and says that the demo is not as good as the full game. He thinks the demo is an unfair representation, a lot of the animations have been cut out. It's like they have given you half the animations. With regards to how it plays it plays how you would expect it to, it gives a taster. The arena mode is 100% accurate to the real game. He agrees with us here, 2 minutes is just not enough time to get any sort of feeling for the game. Graphically it's almost on par, Suff's been focusing on the ps3 version this year as it's easier for him to play. In the final version the graphics are slightly advanced. He was told by EA that there is 3 weeks of work between the code he played and the gold code.

[WEtongelre]

That's good news. Can't wait for the game. Only 20 days left!

[Bitter Rivals]

For those asking if the final version will be any different to the demo, Suff's just said this in the WENB podcast...

cheers for that

thats what i was hoping for ;))

[wan_d7]

i'm relive by that comment CB. thanks

[Placebo]

Hope they don't do much to the gameplay, it's really solid right now.

[evacuate]

Why not create a new xbox live account to get 1 month's free gold? Assuming you haven't already got your 3x1 months free? Or you could buy a 48hr code off Ebay? Or you can download the demo off usenet and burn to DVD?

I think I have one more account to create so I thought I'd create that when I got the full release so I can try out the online part and see if it's something I would like to play more.

I had no idea you had to wait a full week, that's just silly, but I can wait thanks to nhl 09 being so good.

[kouroux]

Good to see black players (Ronaldinho ) having normally colored arms.I mean on FIFA 08 the arms of blacks players were awful ,kinda like half normal skin and half burned skin.

[kouroux]

I hope i didn't "disgust" you guys from posting here haha .

[hitmanuk]

it says on the podcast that animations have been left out of the demo..didnt think they would do this..I know you leave sounds out to keep the file size down as much as possible but didnt think they'd leave an essential part of the gameplay out..final version should be awsome..Im still struggling with shhoting on semi-assissted though..how do you place your shots..for example if im running at an angle toward goal I try to place it bottom corner but always seems to go straight at the keeper..any ideas what im doing wrong

[Nick Cave]

it says on the podcast that animations have been left out of the demo..didnt think they would do this..I know you leave sounds out to keep the file size down as much as possible but didnt think they'd leave an essential part of the gameplay out..final version should be awsome..Im still struggling with shhoting on semi-assissted though..how do you place your shots..for example if im running at an angle toward goal I try to place it bottom corner but always seems to go straight at the keeper..any ideas what im doing wrong
Probably an earlier build, I doubt they would take those things out just for the demo, the shooting thing sounds similar to 08's I hope that's sorted...

[CW]

Now the over analysis of the demo begins...

[jonneymendoza]

I'm gonna have to stop lookin in here makes me want to play the demo more and that will kill 08 for me...
08 was killed for me long ago:LOL: while PES was killed from teh start:DOH:

[Nick Cave]

Now the over analysis of the demo begins...

Just picking things out of the PC from earlier Cdub, they claim to have played a later build with more animation?

[Bingham67]

Probably an earlier build, I doubt they would take those things out just for the demo, the shooting thing sounds similar to 08's I hope that's sorted...

I think its more of time thing myself more then animation not there more time more likely going to see more animation in match.

But never know im sure they are tweaking the game all the time full version should be alot more polished hope solved blockyness on PS3 aswell.

[serkanozen]

After playing nearly 20 matches only drawbacks i can see are late responses of goalkeepers especially during one-on-ones (They don't rush out) and sometimes when you give an aerial through ball defensive players seem to respond late too

[kouroux]

I find this screenshot somehow very funny
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/9398/1683_0006.jpg
like Cech has some stomach ache
and by far my favorite screenshot
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/9398/1683_0008.jpg

Can anyone confirm that even in the demo players look THAT good ?

[jaygrim]

i'm gonna fuck Coopz up the bottom good and proper..:DD

:w00t:

[chriscrocker]

If Suff was saying the final build is going to be much better than the demo it's going to be not just the best football game ever but the best GAME ever LOL!

I'm 95% certain based on this demo I'll have to get a console. I just watched Chelsea v Man City and the likeness all round to FIFA 09 was shocking.

I have only scored one headed goal so far, it really seems to be a tough thing to get good at. I seem to cause more trouble with triple circle crosses but making sure you get enough power in the aerial crosses appears to be key.

Still hate the way the tactics and squads are presented though, and I hope there is a half decent edit mode in FIFA?

[viniciusdcs]

Why not create a new xbox live account to get 1 month's free gold? Assuming you haven't already got your 3x1 months free? Or you could buy a 48hr code off Ebay? Or you can download the demo off usenet and burn to DVD?
Exactly, I already created 3 different profiles, thus my Gold free trials are done.

I'd buy a 12 month Gold card as I do enjoy playing online multiplayer but my internet connection kind of sucks and I would get a lot of lagg. I'll buy Live Gold once I have a better connection.

[serkanozen]

i played the PC version and PS3 version they have common points but in general console version is better in every aspect

[Slobber]

Some thoughts...

FUCKING MILES BETTER THAN PES.

Super cancel should be like in ESPN NFL 2K5. In that game, you just have to move the stick, and the player will move where you want them to go. If you leave the stick neutral, then the computer will control the player.

There should be no button to hold down for when you want to position your player for a header. You should just have to move the stick to position your player.

Penalties should be like ISS on the N64.

Game is too fast. Real football is slower.

Dribbling should be full 360 degrees like off the ball movement.

Fantastic game though. Understand I am nit picking.

[uomini]

Go into the settings before the game, press R2 to access the "advanced" settings, and the game-speed option is the last option (you have to scroll to the very bottom).


I changed gameplay speed and no felt difference in the version ps3

[pepper63]

:w00t:Grim you are a silly twat!:-pp

[chriscrocker]

The speed is absolutely perfect on slow imo, but then I am playing on intermediate.

[SPMC]

I find this screenshot somehow very funny

like Cech has some stomach ache

it's as if he just saved a pk, but he doesn't have gloves on!

[danhammer]

have played the demo about 10 times and can safely say i have no gripes...it's perfect

can't wait for commentary and chants

[uomini]

The speed is absolutely perfect on slow imo, but then I am playing on intermediate.

PS3 or 360?

[mohoso]

I have been a big pesfan since ISS 98. Now i tested fifa09 demo (ps3) and I must say it felt really good, althougt I have a bit of complaining about how the game choose a player I want to control. There are a lot of situation where I can´t get the control to the player I want or it takes too much time. It might be that I´m doing something wrong, but it is just very annoying. I`m using full manual player change, because that´s how I have used to play PES.

[Chris Davies]

I've just moved all the off-topic posts into the appropriate threads. Jonney (and others), can you keep this PC crap out of here now? There is a specific thread for it. You've been warned.

Also, please don't resort to flaming when you disagree with someone. If you're going to call someone a "dumb clueless muppet" like jonney has done in aforementioned posts, be prepared to receive a warning.

Back on-topic now (I hope)...

[DagsJT]

Changing my teams mentality from balanced (or more defensive) to attacking (or ultra) REALLY opens up a lot more space for passes. Balanced just means I tend to struggle to find space.

[kobashi]

has this been posted?

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/fifasoccer09/news.html?sid=6197498&om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;story;5

[Bobo21]

it says on the podcast that animations have been left out of the demo..didnt think they would do this..I know you leave sounds out to keep the file size down as much as possible but didnt think they'd leave an essential part of the gameplay out..

From what WENB states they didn't take anything out, it was an earlier build - you can't just take the latest code you were working on this past Wednesday and create a demo overnight to be posted Thursday. The demo is a production itself and seemingly took 2 to 3 weeks to prepare (as there was 3 weeks of code between that and the final Gold according to WENB).

[SPMC]

has this been posted?

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/fifasoccer09/news.html?sid=6197498&om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;story;5

nope. thanks!

"a mad scramble will result as players pick the position they wish to play on the pitch" lol

[DagsJT]

The demo is frustrating me now. The more I play it, the more I enjoy it ... only to get cut off because 2 mins just isn't enough :brick:

I'm going to sleep for three weeks.

[YoungGun_UK]

I wonder what Adam thinks of the demo, I played the same build as him in the first place but the game has been improved so much since its amazing. I thought that was amazing and i only had 2 gripes which were response times and AI but they've literally changed everything in the core gameplay since. To be fair i can now see how people who play Beta versions can look like idiots when the full versions come out.

[Scutch]

Apologies if already posted, but taken from the WENB Podcast (I've limited it to FIFA info only) :

FIFA 09 Demo
- Suffs played the final code a few days ago, both agree that the demo is not as good as the full game. Suff thinks the demo is an unfair representation, alot of the animations have been cut out. Its like they have given you half the animations. With regards to how it plays it plays how you would expect it to, it gives a taster. The arena mode is 100% accurate to the real game. He agrees with us here, 2 minutes is just not enough time to get any sort of feeling for the game. Graphically its almost on par, suffs been focusing on the ps3 version this year as its easier for him to play. In the final version the graphics are slightly advanced.

- Adam thinks graphically the ps3 demo is shocking
- Some of the moves, skills and animations have been pulled out of the demo, suff was told by Ea that there is 3 weeks of work between the code he played and the gold code.
- There are alot of people on the forums talking about the ball physics, like pro evo this year, in fifa you have to be careful where you shoot and when, taking into account foot strength and who your controlling.
- The demo is still good though

[Chris Davies]

Already posted ;)

[Scutch]

In which case, my apology stands.

*Curses... that Bauer...

;)

[chriscrocker]

Dags I've noticed that, it seems the tactics make a real difference like you experience in FM for example, when I go to offensive players make more runs and quite a few times I've managed to make quick direct counter attacks to exploit space. I haven't experimented with the difference between organised/free form in the custom tactics as well.

I just found out by accident you can tap right analog in the direction you are running to do further distance sprint like (R1+R2) in Pro Evo, it's very useful. Also if you tap right analog you can do a heavier first touch to play the ball into space.

[s33k3rgr]

Dags I've noticed that, it seems the tactics make a real difference like you experience in FM for example, when I go to offensive players make more runs and quite a few times I've managed to make quick direct counter attacks to exploit space. I haven't experimented with the difference between organised/free form in the custom tactics as well.

I just found out by accident you can tap right analog in the direction you are running to do further distance sprint like (R1+R2) in Pro Evo, it's very useful. Also if you tap right analog you can do a heavier first touch to play the ball into space.

Nice post...
That kind of details we'd like to hear who have not played the demo....

[chriscrocker]

does anyone know if its possible to do the move in pro evo where you let the ball run across your body? i think on pro you just hold R1 in the direction the ball is running. It's a bit annoying when I don't WANT to take a first touch the player does it.

[Scorpio]

has this been posted?

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/fifasoccer09/news.html?sid=6197498&om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;story;5

Yes it has :p

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1439509#post1439509

[kouroux]

does anyone know if its possible to do the move in pro evo where you let the ball run across your body? i think on pro you just hold R1 in the direction the ball is running. It's a bit annoying when I don't WANT to take a first touch the player does it.

I wonder too because it seemed to be on the official trailer but it'd be nice to have confirmation

[Scorpio]

Playing it again though (couldn't help myself, even though I'm making the wait to October worse) it looks and feels like the perfect football simulation to me. I can't see anything like "you can't control your players" - I can control mine perfectly. Do these guys not understand momentum? They've played PES too much and got used to what Trance_Allstar describes earlier in the thread (i.e. players could turn "on a dime", or as my dad says, "on a sixpence").

The thing is, and I did it myself, when you play a game non-stop and all the magazines tell you it's a near-perfect simulation, you start to believe it. But players don't turn like they do in PES, you have to shift your weight and think ahead. You have to turn one way knowing that when you're facing that way you can easily knock the ball in a certain direction, where the opposition player can't imagine you knocking the ball to, and where he can't get you. Players aren't balls, they can't just roll in a new direction. Even the fastest and the most agile know they have to go one way to "set themselves up" to move to the spot they want to get to. You can't run backwards and flip around like you're magnetic to face a new direction.

The only criticism I could make is that it's a tad too fast for my liking, and yet at the same time shots could be harder. But you have to remember, we're playing Chelsea v Real Madrid, AC Milan v Marseille; I bet it's not fast when I play as Tranmere against bloody Huddersfield!! And I've still managed to score some screamers.


Very good post and should be read by all those who still don't understand "the beautiful game"!

Play the demo (on slow with semi passing and semi shooting) and then look at Match of the Day for example, it's exactly the same!!

Btw I found something new (don't shoot me if it was in Fifa 08)
When playing with a friend on the same team, the one who doesn't have the ball can ask for it! Triangle to ask a through ball and X to ask a pass.

[chriscrocker]

I wonder too because it seemed to be on the official trailer but it'd be nice to have confirmation

i wasnt aware of that. ive tried a few different buttons and timings and i havent been able to do it. surely if its in the game it must be easy enough to pull off. i hope its just missing from the demo or something

[Jamezinho]

does anyone know if its possible to do the move in pro evo where you let the ball run across your body? i think on pro you just hold R1 in the direction the ball is running. It's a bit annoying when I don't WANT to take a first touch the player does it.

I think it's the same as the dummy button (RB/R1) using the alternate control layout.

Also, I'm loving the shielding in this demo. It's great how you can hold off a player and spin with the ball at the same time, rather than just standing still on the spot with the ball while shielding like Fifa08.

[Rob92]

Just scored another beautiful goal - With Ronaldinho I beat 2 defenders with perfectly timed tricks and then lashed it in. It wouldn't have been possible on FIFA 08 because of the responses and it wouldn't have been as satisfying when scored on PES because it's too easy to skin defenders.

The full version is going to be incredible, I think with the 2 min halves we are rushing everything to try and get goals, it will be even more enjoyable when we can play proper football with longer halves.

[Dutfish]

I hope the AI is the same in the final game, they seem to be less 'perfect'. Like in FIFA 08 I would sometimes find playing the AI less fun and more of a struggle, but in this they seem to make mistakes more, they certainly foul you more. I can't wait to get a season mode going.

[danhammer]

admittedly the ps3 demo isn't as sharp graphically as i thought it would be

thought i would add to anyone who's interested, earlier in this thread somebody mentioned camera angle to try is tele and zoom it right out....looks and plays amazing....simular to the pro evo wide angle cam

[Jamezinho]

I think with the 2 min halves we are rushing everything to try and get goals, it will be even more enjoyable when we can play proper football with longer halves.

This is the main issue with the demo and hence why doubters shouldn't form too much of an opinion from it. It's natural to want to score a goal and therefore rush your play, but the whole beauty of this game is the build up play and flowing passing moves from defence to attack. Two minute halves don't allow for great build-up play.

As Trance Allstar and TikTik said earlier, it's best to try and enjoy the passing and knock it about and maybe only concentrate on one or two attacks per half. EA haven't done themselves any favours with a 2+2 minutes demo. It really doesn't give those who are new to Fifa much time to get a feel for what it's really about.

[wan_d7]

i think what i still can't do is do a fancy footwork in the middle of the field and score a screamers goal. even i just tapped the shoot button , the ball not scream towards the goal. just flying up and away. even in manual (which is more worst for me cuz i'm not good with manual shooting) the ball is very hard to be keep down. maybe,anyone could tell me the proper way.and.. the speed doesn't seem to change even i change the slider. feels the same normal or slow. fast i haven't try though

[Chris Davies]

Something I've just remembered I wanted to mention...

When that EA SPORTS logo came up between cut-scenes/replays (in gameplay videos and in the demo), I was a bit worried about it - I was thinking, does it not say EA SPORTS in enough places? On the scoreboard, on the adboards, on the radar, all through the menus...

But it's actually a really, really good thing. If you want to skip a replay and you press a button during the time that the logo appears, it seamlessly skips back to the game, whereas before you'd have to wait for the replay to start, then press a button, then wait a second for the game to skip it and return to the game.

I know it's a little thing, but it makes things flow that little bit more nicely.

[Jamezinho]

The EA logo is better than the black screens we had in Fifa08. It adds to the TV broadcast feeling of the game.

[Chris Davies]

True. Adds to the authenticity as well as making the skipping of replays easier. I just wish EA would get a Sky Sports license so we could see some other logo for a change...!

Something I really would like to see is club logos flashing across the screen, i.e. if Torres has a shot, just before the replay starts, the Liverpool logo shoots across with a screen-wipe. It does this in PES2008, but only with the league logo - although saying that, that would be a good enough start. It would just add a further touch of authenticity.

[beboq]

best way to play it is on setting Slow10x better than Normal or Fast-horrid

[Trance_Allstar]

Well, I finally got to play the demo on 360, and for a couple of hours no less.


To be honest, I wasn't terribly impressed. It is definitely better than FIFA08 and Euro08. I think playing the AI, especially on the higher difficulties, is not a good showcase for the game.



For me, while the game is realistic and all, there are constantly little things that take me out of the experience. I almost only notice the gameplay and physics, so tactics etc isn't an issue for me.



- I don't like the animations for running and dribbling, or should I say the "style" of the animations. Players move with too much urgency for me, even when holding LT (slow dribble, trickstick activator). And they don't keep the ball close enough to their bodies than I would want, and so you can't really do quick movements and direction changes. Usually it is ballmove-step-step-ballmove-step-step etc. So far nothing tops the R2 dribbling in PES2008 for me, when it comes to close control and immaculate directional changing. Not sure if anyone agrees with me, but the way PES20008's R2 dribbling mode is animated is almost perfect when it comes to just moving a ball around.

Also the problem of "urgency" in the way the players move could be helped by using the tilt angle of the analog stick to control the pace of the player. I recently noticed that in NHL08, if you are skating for example to take a penalty, and only push the analog stick halfway forward, the player has a much more slow and relaxed skating appearance. It really does so much to give some dynamic range to the movements. The reason I discovered it was that when I took penalties, when you just skate with the stick fully pushed in, the player reaches the goal too quickly, and you have no time to perform some drag moves to fool the keeper. So I just tried pushing the analog stick lightly, and the player responded in the way I wanted. Definitely should be used more. Also NHL08 is analog in directionality I think.


- The AI still reacts instantly to certain things. For example if I feint going to the right (LT + tap trickstick to the side of the player), and then move to the left, if a defender is in front of me, the millisecond my player touches the ball to 45 degrees left to past the side of the defender the defender will start moving to intercept the ball (like stick out a foot into the perfect place to intercept the ball, even though my player has touched the ball just an animation frame earlier. It was in Euro08 aswell. I don't see why it should be so hard to force a hard delay into the reactions of the AI players, that would correspond to the reaction times of humans.
Obviously this is AI so it's not really gameplay per se, but I don't like it at all.


- Shooting. Too much backspin for my liking. By that I mean, the backspin shots aren't really mixed with "normal" nonspinning shots. You constantly have rising shots that go over.
Obviously, if they did "mix" the shot-types more, it would mean that it would be very hard to predict when the player does a backspin shot and a more normal shot. In real life, you can do both just depending on how you shape the foot at the moment of impact, and what angle you give the foot. Still, right now it seems like they've just substituted the constant lobby-type shots from FIFA08 for constant shots with backspin. I would have liked to see a shotsystem that was alot more mixed and realistic. Balls constantly "float", which has been complained about previously I think. There's nothing wrong with it from a physics standpoint. Given alot of backspin, the ball will behave like in FIFA09, it will climb on the air and resist gravity alot more, thus seeming alot "lighter" in weight if you didn't notice how it spins. But it is wrong to have for almost every shot.


- Supercancel. Still takes a second to respond, and it is really clunky. In PES, it could be used just an instant before you receive a pass, just to shift the player in a very subtle way, which could make him radically change the way he received the ball (from trapping stationary to starting to move and thus trapping it in a distance). This definitely needs to get some work, I see no reason why I couldn't get complete control of the player movement the instant I press Cancel. The delay of a second just seems there for no apparent reason.


- Heading is really nice, players basically seem to jump when you press the button, so if you press to early, your player will already have landed once the ball reaches you.


- Goalkeepers. Not superhuman a la Euro08 anymore. Still some niggles left, particularly when the keeper could just stick and arm out to save a shot, yet opts for a really longwinded jump save, where the ball goes in at his armpit, as his arm is extended about 30-40 cm too far.
But definitely better.


- Why is the "Lane-Change" trick still bound to holding the trickstick to the side for a moment? It's a simple sole drag to the side, and it is only useful when it is really responsive, since you'd mainly want to use it in a very timed manner, just as a defender sticks his leg out or such. As it is now, you have to hold the trickstick to the side for a moment, and the delay usually gets worse when you are in a match and running, where the player sometimes waits 2-3 steps before doing it, when he really should have been able to do it almost instantly when you pressed it.



- Another thing about the general dribbling/movements. Why is there no "sidestep" move a la PES? In PES5 the sidestep was automatic when you pressed 90 degrees to the side of your player. In PES6 and 2008 (which had a better system) you held R2 and pressed to the side to have the player move to the side but still facing in the same direction as before.

FIFA08 had a really clunky system where you could hold LT + RT, and have the player move while facing the goal. But it was very unresponsive and unprecise and "big" in the movements, so it wasn't useful in most situations.



- You can trap a ball "dead", and have the player stop, when receiving a ball by holding either RT (trap whilst facing the same direction as before) or LB (trap and simultaneously turn to face the goal).
Why not just simplify the system, and have LB being the "trap" button, like in PES? That way the RT trap function (trap and face the same direction as before receiving the ball) would be performed by simply holding LB and pressing the direction you want to turn on the analog stick.

Also, the time it takes from trapping with RT or LB, to when you can move after, needs to be shortened alot. As it is now, the player needs to come to a complete halt after the trap and move, and he is completely vulnerable. In real life, the player would be able to receive the ball as he is turning his body, and immediately move the ball in a direction. Since he is trapping the ball with his foot, the ball is already on his foot, and he would be free to manipulate the ball with the foot even before he lands with his other foot (if he has done a little jump or spin to trap and turn himself in a certain durection), and perhaps flick the ball in a direction to avoid a defender even as he is in the air just after the trap. It's really clunky as it is now, and I really don't even want to use the trap buttons in tight spaces, where they should be the most useful to control receiving passes in tight spaces. There's just an unneccesary moment where the player is unresponsive when he really shouldn't be.



- Receiving a pass with the Right Analog Stick to flick it in a direction needs fixing. The ball sometimes gets a huge boost of speed, a reaction that isn't reflected in the force the player uses when he touches the ball), and it also stops abruptly after a few meters, like it has tons of backspin and suddenly grips the grass.



- Penalties really could be alot more fun than they are. The goalkeeper is extremely stiff to move on the line, you tap the RAS once in a direction and he keeps moving for what seems like an eternity. Also where are the "hold up to have the goalkeeper stretch up his arms" and "hold down to have the keeper lower his body and show his reach" animations? I liked those touches in previous games, made you feel like it was you on the line. Now you just bounce around without any real control and wait for the kick.

Also saving should be alot more fun. You could for example implement a system where the LAS controls the direction your keeper jumps, and the RAS controls his arms, so even if you jump "Right-low", and the penalty goes "right-high", you could make your keeper stretch an arm up with the RAS and perhaps save the ball.

And the penalties themselves could also need a new system, rather than the current simple "go past this mark on the powerbar and it is a sure miss". Even if you press Down on the LAS, to aim straight ahead and low, if you put the powerbar too high, it will always to OVER the bar. Now in real life, there is a certain correlation between power and height, as in, if a ball is struck in exactly the same manner several times, and the only variable is the power of the strike, the more powerful strike will usually get more height, not just because of the speed allowing the arch to become longer and higher, but also since the curl is different based on how much force the ball is compressed with and how far up the boot the ball can "roll" up in the compression phase before it shoots off, blah blah). Point is, why have such a one-dimensional system, when in real life it is completely possible to put full power into a penalty and both have it sniffing the ground, aswell as accidentally shooting over the ball due to a misshit, or hitting anywhere, really. If it would be too easy to score in the game if you could shoot really hard down the middle, then I'd think about introducing alot more inaccuracy as the powerbar fills up, and also change the goalkeeper controls so that you can throw yourself at any point, even after the ball is struck, so that you can wait slightly longer and potentially wait out any balls struck down the middle, but also have time to atleast make an effort to a side if you notice the ball going there. Goalkeeper controls should be more hands on and responsive, so that you can decide not just what direction the goalkeeper should jump, but also what moment he should jump, and also control the direction and such of his actual "save", whether that be arms reaching up or down to reach a ball, or trying to kick the ball with the legs etc.



- Freekick curling. I have to agree it should be considered a bug. It starts off good, but then the ball suddenly grabs the ball. Now that is sort of how real life balls react, they curl more at the end of the trajectory as the speed slows down, but this seems highly exaggerated.



- Very nice touch that you now decide not only that the freekick wall should jump, but you also control the exact timing of the jump. Makes freekicks against mates alot more exciting, since your timing of the wall jump can be the difference between a counterattack and a Freekick in the top corner. Such a small thing, but that is the type of thinking that makes a good game. Taking a thing like wall control during a freekick from a passive "hold a button" affair to a moment that requires concentration and timing.



- I really, really want some easy, responsive 2-foot feints and drop-shoulder type feints on the LAS. I managed one 2-foot feint before, don't know how I did it because when I tried the same move again he just did the standard dribble moves, no continuous 1-2 touch. You could activate them by moving the stick in a certain way when holding LT, which would still allow for non-skill movement when using just the LAS to move.



- Player switching seems awkward and a bit "off" in the logic that decided who to switch to next. It almost never seemed to switch to the player I was trying to switch to. Could be that I'm used to PES5 and thus an so used to the way it switches players. Still, I felt like the game wasn't switching to the player I felt was best for the situation.




Those are some thoughts I had from the demo. Might think of more tomorrow. Now you will have to excuse me, it's 2:19AM, and time for my nap. :YAWN:

[drekkard]

How do you shield the ball? It's automatic?

Doing controls with the right analog now is sick. You can really receive long passes and put the ball further to gain those meters from defense and reach the goalkeeper alone. Beautiful!

[Jamezinho]

How do you shield the ball? It's automatic?

Tap the sprint button (is use alternate controls so RT/R2) to stop the ball dead. The player will shield anyone behind him automatically but now you can turn while shielding the ball which you couldn't do in 08.

[reddevils]

on the 360 just hold the sprint button WITHOUT giving direction

[Kallinn]

Can the goalies get a red card in Fifa 09? i've been playing the demo but it never have happened to me, altought my friend tackledme twice with a goalie and didnt get a card for it.

[Jamezinho]

Something I really would like to see is club logos flashing across the screen, i.e. if Torres has a shot, just before the replay starts, the Liverpool logo shoots across with a screen-wipe. It does this in PES2008, but only with the league logo - although saying that, that would be a good enough start. It would just add a further touch of authenticity.

I always remember in Actua Soccer 2 when a player had a shot or did something of note there would be a close-up camera view of him tracking back to his position for the goal kick/throw-in etc and his name and stats would flash up below (eg shots on target, passes completed etc). I'm going back about 10 years now but that game was ahead of it's time in terms of presentation.

[Chris Davies]

Can the goalies get a red card in Fifa 09? i've been playing the demo but it never have happened to me, altought my friend tackledme twice with a goalie and didnt get a card for it.
Apparently so Kallinn, a few people have said so.

I had the goalie yellow carded today, and he gave away a penalty as well, the pillock.

I always remember in Actua Soccer 2 when a player had a shot or did something of note there would be a close-up camera view of him tracking back to his position for the goal kick/throw-in etc and his name and stats would flash up below (eg shots on target, passes completed etc). I'm going back about 10 years now but that game was ahead of it's time in terms of presentation.
Funny you should say that, I played it the other day and thought the same thing. Also, in one of the Actua Soccers, if you score a long-range goal it shows you the path of the ball and how far out it was/how fast it was, if it was a particularly impressive shot.

A lot of the old games could teach something to the new ones, PES needs to look at the amount of teams/manager movement in SWOS, and FIFA could still improve presentation even further.

[Jamezinho]

Funny you should say that, I played it the other day and thought the same thing. Also, in one of the Actua Soccers, if you score a long-range goal it shows you the path of the ball and how far out it was/how fast it was, if it was a particularly impressive shot.

I'd forgotten about that. It's all flooding back now. Even Trevor Brooking as the co-commentator talking about his days at West Ham.

Edit: Barry Davies was the commentator. I always preferred him to Motson.

[airjoca]

:lol:

YouTube - Fifa09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MC68blZCM)

[Chris Davies]

That reminds me actually, I have noticed one weird thing... Have you seen it when the team waiting for the kick-off all do the exact same warm-up routine at the exact same time?

It seriously looks like Riverdance, they need to have a look at that!

[airjoca]

Little compilation I made, nothing fancy... :)

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcq-L3otVw)

[beboq]

poor Toronto never had a chance eh airjoca :LOL: jk!!! nice demo vid

[EatonTJ]

Three points from the 360 demo from me:

1. EA needs to ramp up the "World Class" difficulty. Far too easy to go on solo runs straight from the kickoff and score. Either that, or someone should tell big Phil to just have real-life Drogba dribble a bit left on the kickoff then head straight toward the goal and curl a right-footed finesse shot far post around the goalie... The only reason it doesn't work every time, is because I make a mistake with my dribble angle. A little easy.

2. What happened to the L2+R2 (alt control scheme) "face the goal" slow dribble? I really liked using it in EURO 08, not sure why it's been removed... perhaps it's just remapped, but I can't find it in the control guide.

3. What is the deal with the crowd shot that happens before subs every time? I'm assuming it's a place-keeping cut-scene and something that makes sense will be there in the final version. As of now, very odd.


Those 3 points aside, I'm loving the demo (although it's hard to resist abusing 1 after a goal is scored against me) but I really wish EA had not forced (a very boring) penalty shoot-out on us and had given us more time to build up play. I'd have been much happier with the ability to just play a half and have it be 5+ minutes. I assume the time limitation is to prevent people from just playing the free demo and not buying the full version... but really, who is going to do that?

[SPMC]

^yeah, i'm misssing #2 (same in classic/default control scheme).
it was effective for me in FIFA08.

[Jedimaster1]

Little compilation I made, nothing fancy... :)

YouTube - FIFA09 Demo Compilation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcq-L3otVw)
Btw, what controller settings are you using? i.e. classic controls as well as Passing on Semi, shooting on semi, etc.

Just wondering as that was some fancy stuff -- contrary to what you stated:-pp. Thanks

[*** Nomis1 ***]

Scored a goal that i dont think would never of looked as good on ANY other football game, even it was possible at all!!. I saved a penalty in normal time and the ball bounced to the keepers left and the left back picked up the ball, a massive hoof up the field followed, followed by a flick on headed just past the half way line. Had an attacker fun onto it, held about 3 players off, made his way into the penalty box and slotted it into the far left hand corner! It looked and felt very real and immediately felt massive satisfaction! Sheer quality. I did record it, if it come out ok i will post on here. :DD

YouTube - Breakaway Fifa 09 goal (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdo0zevmdYM)

[Bobo21]

Something I really would like to see is club logos flashing across the screen, i.e. if Torres has a shot, just before the replay starts, the Liverpool logo shoots across with a screen-wipe. It does this in PES2008, but only with the league logo - although saying that, that would be a good enough start. It would just add a further touch of authenticity.

Could be a possibility that the screen-wipe logo would vary dependent on the league/competition. In NHL09 there are different logos that appear (such as NHL, AHL, etc.) when you play a league game - the EA one is used only for games like quick matches and international competition.

[Ferraritim]

:lol:

YouTube - Fifa09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MC68blZCM)

OMG, long time ago I laughed so hard watching an internet movie. That dance was hilarious, and the sliding out of the stadium.

:LOL:

[evacuate]

It looks so retarded in a funny way when all players run around celebrating.
YouTube - FIFA 09 XboX 10 vs 10 online ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YMMvLctTY)

[kouroux]

I have a question ,i noticed that FIFA 08 whether your player was right-footed or left-footed ,he would the same dribbles with the same right foot. I mean if Ronaldinho does the flip flap with his right foot ,it is obviously normal but when Messi does it with his right foot too ,it feels a bit weird. Has this been corrected in this demo guys ?

btw: Great compilation Airjoca, I really enjoyed it and specially the Drogba miss hahah

[chriscrocker]

lol thats hilarious

[kouroux]

hahah nice celebration ,everyone thinks he's a star

[Achillias]

Why are the graphics (especially the sharpness) on Fifa 08 PS3 better then Fifa 09 demo?

It doesn't make any sense at all.

[vondave]

I love the game but there is one huge flaw still not fixed.

Shots that are going in, miraculously stopped and parried by thin air. Watching a replay now, the keepers fingers are a good foot from the ball, and it gets parried out. No its a goal EA

[kouroux]

Why are the graphics (especially the sharpness) on Fifa 08 PS3 better then Fifa 09 demo?

It doesn't make any sense at all.

It's just demo, final build will surely be better in a lot of aspects including gfx

[Simcut]

I'm really impressed with the demo on the 360, the PC demo however is AWFUL

[Trance_Allstar]

It is impressing though, the only people that aren't impressed by it are twelve year old kids on the EA forums who don't like the fact they can't run round an entire team with Ronaldinho.

Not true, and a pointless thing to say because it isn't true.


Transcript

- There are alot of people on the forums talking about the ball physics, like pro evo this year, in fifa you have to be careful where you shoot and when, taking into account foot strength and who your controlling.


I need to call bullshit here. They say the Ballphysics aren't bad, and that people who complain about the ball being too floaty need to consider the balance, positioning of the player etc, since if you are off balance, the shot will go over.

Really? Because in real life, being off balance usually has the result of a "bad" shot, not a high shot. I don't understand why game designers still have some sort of love relationship with having the ball to over everytime you mistime a shot, whilst the general aim direction still is pretty much perfect.

Also, the floaty balls are there constantly, including when you are just jogging straight at goal in the arena, completely on balance and unpressured. It has nothing to do with balance, it is a combination of constant big amounts of backspinning aswell as what I would say is a slightly too lightweight ball that could use some more mass. Like I wrote before, there is very little variation in the shooting and the ball behavior, and the only times I saw some really different physics was when I volleyed the ball for some reason, and the ball could get that top spin (not saying the ball should top spin from normal shot).


And, I really miss some kind of way to visually gauge what balance the player has. The podcast constantly refers to the balance of the player, the timing of the shot etc. But there is no way to know the balance of the player at any moment, nor is there any way to know the best timing to press the shot button. What do they even mean when they say "timing of the shot"? Does it refer to the difference that might occur if you press the shot button at a certain point, or 1 millisecond later (seems like there shouldn't be a practical difference there). Or do they mean the timing as in "wait one more step before shooting so that your player can get all his balance back, or atleast I think so since I've no way to know what balance the player has at the moment".

I mean, if you are playing football and are going to take a shot, you yourself feel how well balanced you are, obviously. Thus you can take special care with power and such if you feel that putting too much power into the shot will make you mishit.

I'd like some way to know what the player is feeling in terms of balance. Maybe just some indicator above his head that changes color depending on how composed he is or something.



The best system, for me, would be to simply have a simple "balance" meter, that tells you how balanced or composed the player is at a given moment. Shooting when he is more unbalanced/uncomposed introduces much higher inaccuracy (not just in the "shooting over" sense, but mishits in general, whether that be the ball flying high, or flying wide, or just gracing off the side of the boot for a completely botched shot. The current system has no real basis in reality I feel. That together with a good system for randomizing the general shot accuracy based on the player stats would be the most realistic system imo. Basically, you have a base inaccuracy for a player with the potential for mishits which is controlled by the shot accuracy stat. The composure system then goes on top of that and so if the player is uncomposed, it will severely lower the accuracy stat even more. And shots taken while uncomposed will not just go high, but the dispersion of the mishits will be all over the place, groundrollers, the player almost missing the ball completely causing a very angled weak shot, etc.
The "timing" aspect would simply be to aim to shoot while the composure meter is on "green" as opposed to "red". If you are unbalanced and still want the most decent shot possible, the solution would be to use little power, since using more power would introduce even more inaccuracy to the already inaccurate unbalanced shot.


Obviously there are so many nuances to real life shooting, the subtle shape of the foot etc etc, that it would be impossible to give you all the control at the tips of your fingers. But that doesn't mean that a "unbalanced shots always go over" should be the norm. And seeing how we have analog sticks aplenty, theres no reason we can't have separate power (forcefulness of the leg swing) and height "shape of the foot" controls, if realism is the true goal.

[Ogami]

They need to sort the radar badly, I can't see anything. It's a nightmare when you want to change wings with long balls.

[evacuate]

It sounds like the new shots are like in PES. This is very bad news if it's the case because in PES there are only one type of shots. You can't hit top spin shots unless you volley the ball. In real life you shot with top spin very often and I would say Euro 08 almost nailed the shooting.

I really hope it's not as bad as you guys make it sound. If it's anything like the unrealistic PES shots I'll be so disappointed.

Ogami: The radar was really bad in 08 and Euro too. It's a bit hard to adjust to for PES players because we (most of us) would look at the radar all the time to know where our teammates are. I find it a little bit easier when choosing the radar to be 3D, but it's still a mess. And when the ball is close to the radar and it fades away you can't use it at all.

[proxi]

They need to sort the radar badly, I can't see anything. It's a nightmare when you want to change wings with long balls.
Agreed, the radar is indeed pretty bad. I can't see shit.

[chriscrocker]

Yeh the radar is awful, the discs are just outlines they need to be completely filled in and brighter colours.

The ball physics aren't perfect, but they are vastly better than PES2008 and I have seen quite a lot of variations, more so than in PES. Trance how long did you play it for? How many matches, at four minutes per match I think you need to play at least 40 matches (a couple of hours) before you can guage this aspect of the game. I think the organic nature of the game is second to none so your appraisal is flawed because you aren't viewing the game in perspective.

It will be interesting to see though if PES2009 really nails the ball physics but even if it does, it will inevitably be let down by the predictable, scripted, robotic player physics.

[Coopz]

After reading suffs comments i have mixed feelings

i really like the demo and it will be awesome to see double the animations we are now but im not keen on them changing the gameplay because i think they have it bang on as it is

i saw a fifa 08 style goalie error yesterday for the first time in... well i wouldn't like to guess how many matches i have played on the 09 demo because me and my mates have well and truly hammered it :LOL:

[Nick Cave]

Arrgghh said I was not going to play the demo anymore as it would kill 08 for me and I could not resist having another bash... I had the defence AI turn to clear an over hit long ball, slip miss kick and fall on his arse, I snuck the ball hit a shot to the top corner it hit the bar keeper no chance and another defender lunged to head the ball safe... I was gob smacked... Roll on release and PES demo too, I feel the bar is actually moving up, not sideways this year... :DANCE:

[BillyBoy]

Like I said previously there are some issues with FIFA 09 but compared to the huge improvements that have been made im extremely pleased and impressed.

[reddevils]

Agreed, the radar is indeed pretty bad. I can't see shit.

get a HDTV?

[lo00o2]

I think the demo is very good but the game needs to be much faster when your close to the goal and the strikers should have better accelerations it seems like something is holding them back and maybe the game needs to be a little slower in midfield and defense . I also would like to have some more close control with the ball at some times.

But it looks like a great game with stunning animations.

[WILDSTER180774]

where can i find the skills vid thats been posted please?

[Placebo]

where can i find the skills vid thats been posted please?

Video thread ;)

[WILDSTER180774]

cheers

[mjsmith2k]

Guys, about the poor radar. Change it from 2D to 3D in game settings, that was the first thing I did, the 3D radar is a lot clearer than 2D.

[Coopz]

I just don't like the fact that is fades out at certain times and when it does the players on the pitch move into it so you cant see diddly squat

that's when i struggle to see it and i have a massive screen

[Bitter Rivals]

I just don't like the fact that is fades out at certain times and when it does the players on the pitch move into it so you cant see diddly squat

that's when i struggle to see it and i have a massive screen

yea i have noticed that to, add the fact you have shade from the stadium sometimes..

[danhammer]

always been a pro evo fan up until fifa 08, i honestly can't find a fault with the fifa 09 demo.....it ticks every box for me...can't stop playing and it's soooooooo addictive

[Mr_Wenger]

i wasnt sure when people were saying all the players feel the same, and i was starting to feel that way myself, and was getting a bit frustrated, i play on the medium difficulty, and 2 mins is not usally long enough for me to score or break them down, i do win occasionaly. so i decided to play as ac milan and played kaka and ronaldinho behind pato, and gave the ball to kaka who felt alot different to other players, his control was great, he burst through the defence before composing himself and finishing. it felt great, and i know i couldnt have done this with flamini or gattuso for example. i captured it if anyone wants a look.

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/F3BepWu_90A"> </param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/F3BepWu_90A" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"> </embed> </object>


ok, so that didn't work, so i have the clip, i just cant get it to work on here, lol.

[WILDSTER180774]

i hope the radar fault i have with euro2008 has been fixed for fifa09. That is the selected colours. On euro sometimes when i am playing as england Vs portugal and portugal are in their black strip my colour icons on the radar are black. Very confusing. At the moment i find 09 demo radar OK. Could be better.

[DagsJT]

i wasnt sure when people were saying all the players feel the same, and i was starting to feel that way myself, and was getting a bit frustrated, i play on the medium difficulty, and 2 mins is not usally long enough for me to score or break them down, i do win occasionaly. so i decided to play as ac milan and played kaka and ronaldinho behind pato, and gave the ball to kaka who felt alot different to other players, his control was great, he burst through the defence before composing himself and finishing. it felt great, and i know i couldnt have done this with flamini or gattuso for example. i captured it if anyone wants a look.

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/F3BepWu_90A"> </param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/F3BepWu_90A" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"> </embed> </object>


ok, so that didn't work, so i have the clip, i just cant get it to work on here, lol.

Just paste the actual Youtube link/URL here and it works fine :))

YouTube - Fifa 09 Kaka Goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3BepWu_90A)

[drekkard]

After my first 2 days playing the demo human vs human, I've got the chance to play the CPU intensely. I play all on manual except shooting and passing (on semi) in my PS3. I expect to go full manual in the full release. Here my thoughts:

0- Pace
I find the gameplay a tad fast against CPU. Maybe because of the 2 mins. stretching of things, maybe because of the AI model. 10% slower would be perfect to me. Putting the demo on slow doesn't seem to make too much.

1- Through balls
No one is complaining about the slow fill up gauge for through balls? When you play manual through balls, it takes an eternity to make good passes, and it's really difficult to adjust the power, sometimes it goes 3 meters aways, sometimes 30 meters. I would like it to be faster, just like long balls and shooting are.

2- Single player cheats
It was something exepcted. At first it seemes far better than the Maradonas of Fifa 08 and the messed uop Euro, but when you put World Class difficulty it relies on cheats too much (we knew it would jhappen anyway) and slow players catch up your strikers and outmuscle your strongest players. I know that will irritate me the whole year. Said that, the AI is far better than last tear's, CPU does a lot of mistakes and makes funny plays sometimes.

3- Goalkeepers
I found them very very good. Punching the ball is impressive. My only concern is that on 1 vs 1 they are almost impossible to dribble. They catch you up too quickly and that kills a lot of the finishing play, because the game forces you to do finesse shots. They go in a lot, but in real football it's quite easy to score on 1 vs 1 if you are balanced and skillful. Maybe the keepers should rush out more (thus reducing angle and covering the possible finesse shot) but at the same time be more prone to be dribled.

4- Tactics
I find putting pressure up on the back 4 is far too effective. Even if you're Toronto, you can really add a lot of pressure, and there's little risk involved because the opponent midfielders also appear to be under pressure. That could be countered by other aspects, but as of now, I find a big big difference between having the team with high pressure up or not having it, and no risks involved. That also happens in human vs human.
Those and the fact that the goalkeepers are almost impossible to dribble are my only concerns with the gameplay.

[Mr_Wenger]

nice one dags, thanx

[matt1288]

To be honest drekkard I find it very easy to finish without the finess shots, I just aim to the corner put medium power and it slips right in the corner, However, I do agree with your point about the through balls which they seem to always go about 1 meter and hit the opponent which pisses me off.

And the pace of the game, is just to fast but I think I can bare with it to be honest, I hope they have adjusted it though for the final version.

[cb7]

I don't know if this was in fifa 08/euro 2008 but i just noticed you can control/fix a player to recieve the ball during throw-ins by pressing LB once.

[evacuate]

Yeah that was in those versions too.

I wonder if you can still use the "cheat" to slide tackle with your forward a lot towards the keeper when he holds the ball. And then when he kicks it out he will hit you so you can take the ball and score. I could see this might be a problem in 10 vs 10 if someone can't control the keeper. If the team has someone playing "Any" it's ok, because that player could just move the keeper.

[Chris Davies]

The things I'm finding out about now that were in FIFA 08/Euro 08 and I had no idea, it's shocking...

[WILDSTER180774]

yes it was in euro. L1 i think for ps3. does make a difference too

[Radiation]

I just had some crappy moments.

1 - The AI hoofed the ball from the halfway line into my box. In the box was my keeper, just ahead of him on the edge of the box were 2 of my defenders and 1 ai attacker. I held Triangle to bring my keeper out to grab the ball as my DF were a tad too slow at running and i knew the attacker would get there first. The keeper runs forwards... runs past the X where the ball is about to land and then steps backwards, jumped and punches the ball... it ended up going BEHIND HIM and the ai player ran on and scored in an open goal.

2 - The AI did the, run down the wing - cut inside - run up the goal line... the keeper moves OUT OF HIS GOALS leaving the front post open - the ai slam the ball home. Happened twice in 1 game without me pressing Triangle to bring the keeper out.

:(

[Treetopp]

More info regarding the fifa clubs mode:

http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=666

[stuartyd]

Anyone know how to do the super cancel? The only way i can get it to work is by holding all 4 shoulder buttons. Is this right?

[kevano22]

its run and finese/pace control button together

[WILDSTER180774]

just been reading some comments on wenb and man is fifa09 demo getting a hammering. Is this just fanboyism at its highest eschelon or is my view of the game so wrong. Im not a fanboy, actually change that. I am a fanboy - of football, so i have no particular alliegance to developer/game. But i did feel so let down by Konami last year. I cant agree with the vast majority of the criticisms this demo is getting. I really am loving it. Reaction times still getting a mention but again i cant understand this. I think it responds very well. Even the graphics getting slated. I spent some time on the replays last night zooming in on all the player faces and they look fantastic. No waxy like skin textures. Far better than the pro evo scrennies i have seen to date. One guy said how the players all look fat and short. Well that to me says he hasnt even played the demo or maybe the 08 one instead. Why cant people just give an honest account of what they see and play. Everybody will have different opinions on whats good and whats not in a footie game but a lot of stuff i am reading is just so far of to what is true its a joke. And thats not just limited to forums. Some of the proffesional reviewers journalistic qualities really do need to be questioned. That 'maxdrive' review i read was incredible. They should seriously think about another career or past-time. Come on guys, lets just be honest!

[Geefiasco]

get a HDTV?
I've got one, but i still don't think the radar is very good. Especially when it turns almost invisible when the ball is near the bottom of the screen.

[Ogami]

Play Chelsea v Milan, then go in the shade at the bottom of the screen. Radar becomes completely unreadable.

[shieldslfc]

I would just like to say I really like this now. Didnt realise most of the options were enabled, and so after turning on manual passing, zooming in the camera a touch and turning the game speed to slow, it is a much better game. So I will be buying. Just a quick question, how do you curl the ball when crossing the ball or from corners?

[Bingham67]

just been reading some comments on wenb and man is fifa09 demo getting a hammering. Is this just fanboyism at its highest eschelon or is my view of the game so wrong. Im not a fanboy, actually change that. I am a fanboy - of football, so i have no particular alliegance to developer/game. But i did feel so let down by Konami last year. I cant agree with the vast majority of the criticisms this demo is getting. I really am loving it. Reaction times still getting a mention but again i cant understand this. I think it responds very well. Even the graphics getting slated. I spent some time on the replays last night zooming in on all the player faces and they look fantastic. No waxy like skin textures. Far better than the pro evo scrennies i have seen to date. One guy said how the players all look fat and short. Well that to me says he hasnt even played the demo or maybe the 08 one instead. Why cant people just give an honest account of what they see and play. Everybody will have different opinions on whats good and whats not in a footie game but a lot of stuff i am reading is just so far of to what is true its a joke. And thats not just limited to forums. Some of the proffesional reviewers journalistic qualities really do need to be questioned. That 'maxdrive' review i read was incredible. They should seriously think about another career or past-time. Come on guys, lets just be honest!

I gave up reading there some of comments were shocking but oh well each to there own not much surprise really being Pro Pes forum.

To be fair a few have praised it there and some Mods but most of it just straight fanboy crap.

[evacuate]

Did you guys see this? What kind of ball physics is it really... I hope this is just scripted shit for freekicks that they can easily change and not something that could happen on normal shots.

YouTube - Fifa 09 Ronaldinho Free Kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCqb3cGf1A)

[Placebo]

Did you guys see this?

Have you read this thread at all? 99% of people who've played the demo have commented that freekick curl is buggy. It's commented here, it's commented in the EA forums, hopefully will be fixed.

[WILDSTER180774]

I gave up reading there some of comments were shocking but oh well each to there own not much surprise really being Pro Pes forum.

To be fair a few have praised it there and some Mods but most of it just straight fanboy crap.

ddoesnt explain some game reviewers though. They should be unbiased.

[evacuate]

Have you read this thread at all? 99% of people who've played the demo have commented that freekick curl is buggy. It's commented here, it's commented in the EA forums, hopefully will be fixed.

Woah, easy now... I just found it interesting because I hadn't seen it in action. I thought the whole thing was about to much curl and not that you can curl the ball after a while. I mean it goes in a straight line to the goal and then starts to bend.

Sorry to offend you mate but I thought people that hadn't played the demo might be interested.

[ronaldo10]

[QUOTE=
3- Goalkeepers
I found them very very good. Punching the ball is impressive. My only concern is that on 1 vs 1 they are almost impossible to dribble. They catch you up too quickly and that kills a lot of the finishing play, because the game forces you to do finesse shots. They go in a lot, but in real football it's quite easy to score on 1 vs 1 if you are balanced and skillful. Maybe the keepers should rush out more (thus reducing angle and covering the possible finesse shot) but at the same time be more prone to be dribled.
.[/QUOTE]

i was going to write the same thing about the goalkeepers,
good to know i am not the only one on this.
gk don't rush fast enough, out of the box to clear important balls, or miss tackle the player and get a red card. this kind of atmosphere, is missing in the game badly.
it is so annoying, when u are 1 on 1 with the gk,
u can't dribble them, especialy with the amount of the tricks we have, none of them work against the keeper:DOH: i would have espected, the fake shot to be useful, like it is in real life, but no:( gk will react the same no matter what skill u are using:ROLL:
that's something pes have it right for years and always was a big part of the game.
i know that was always a problem in the past fifa games, but seeing all this improvments, on fifa09, i thought that would have been fixed, as ea said they improved the goalkeepers,
which i think they did, but not in 1 on 1 situations, which is a shame really as that would give more scoring varieties, and would simulate todays football, as players now days, would try to beat the keeper 70% of the time, if he (gk) rush out to get the ball.

other then that still loving the demo:))

[Placebo]

Woah, easy now... I just found it interesting because I hadn't seen it in action. I thought the whole thing was about to much curl and not that you can curl the ball after a while. I mean it goes in a straight line to the goal and then starts to bend.

Yes the curl's buggy, that's what we've all been saying ;) I keep likening it to one of those cheap 50p plastic footballs that curl in very strange ways once they slow down and the wind start to affect them :)


Sorry to offend you mate but I thought people that hadn't played the demo might be interested.

Grrrr ;)

[winston]

I just had some crappy moments.

1 - The AI hoofed the ball from the halfway line into my box. In the box was my keeper, just ahead of him on the edge of the box were 2 of my defenders and 1 ai attacker. I held Triangle to bring my keeper out to grab the ball as my DF were a tad too slow at running and i knew the attacker would get there first. The keeper runs forwards... runs past the X where the ball is about to land and then steps backwards, jumped and punches the ball... it ended up going BEHIND HIM and the ai player ran on and scored in an open goal.

2 - The AI did the, run down the wing - cut inside - run up the goal line... the keeper moves OUT OF HIS GOALS leaving the front post open - the ai slam the ball home. Happened twice in 1 game without me pressing Triangle to bring the keeper out.

:(

The cpu played a long diagonal ball which landed out of the edge of my penalty box, rolling towards the goal-line. I press triangle and the keeper doesn't move. I keep holding triangle. An AI attacker runs into view and gets to the ball. Finally, my keeper starts moving towards the ball. Stinks of PES style cheats.

I've lost count of the number of times I'm in the oppostion box and play a perfect low pass across the face of goal, perfectly weighted for my striker, and the ball just rolls right through him and I cannot even sitch selection to him until such time as the ball has rolled about 3 yards past him, by which time a cpu defender has moved in to challenge.

I blast a shot from about 20 yards. It goes straight towards a cpu defender, who has about 0.000001 milliseconds to react, but his instantaneous reaction consists of swinging his leg and plasying a pixel pefect 50 yard pass straight a cpu attacker over the half-way line.

Why do so many of my manual passes go straight to a cpu player? Script, anyone?

AI instantaneous reactions and pixel-perfect one-touch passing is really getting tiresome. The super-fast way the cpu goalies dive at you feet is ridiculous. It's like the they move at 1000 mph. The more I play against the cpu, the worse this games seems. I need 10v10....soon!!

Think I'll go play some FIFA08 5v5 to restore my faith.

[riboflavin]

Where do you control the game speed? I cant seem to find it...any quick help?

[BillyBoy]

THIS GAME IS GREAT!

[sweetkilla]

Have you read this thread at all? 99% of people who've played the demo have commented that freekick curl is buggy. It's commented here, it's commented in the EA forums, hopefully will be fixed.

100% correct

[Coopz]

Where do you control the game speed? I cant seem to find it...any quick help?

From CB

Go into the settings before the game, press R2 to access the "advanced" settings, and the game-speed option is the last option (you have to scroll to the very bottom).

[sweetkilla]

Where do you control the game speed? I cant seem to find it...any quick help?

when your about to play the match go to game settings press R2/RT

then scroll all the way down it allows you to select the speed I set it on fast when I am playing on world class and slow on the other difficulties :)

[Placebo]

LOL we should have a bet about how many more times people will ask how to change the game speed, I mean not like searching finds it or anything ;)

[riboflavin]

when your about to play the match go to game settings press R2/RT

then scroll all the way down it allows you to select the speed I set it on fast when I am playing on world class and slow on the other difficulties :)

thanks!

[Coopz]

even though i said it first :LOL:

[Ogami]

Why do so many of my manual passes go straight to a cpu player? Script, anyone?


I had the same feeling today. In FIFA 08 when I was doing manual through balls it went exactly where I wanted it to. In the demo, the ball sometimes goes in a straight line, or at least not where I aimed. I hope I'm wrong here, but it feels like there are fewer directions in which the ball can go.

But then again, maybe I'm wrong and I'm just less accurate that in FIFA 08.

[riboflavin]

even though i said it first :LOL:

haha, yes, you are right, but when i loaded the page, i didnt see yours because it auto scrolled to the last post. But thanks Coopz! :EASY::LOL:

[Coopz]

i was only joking mate no worries ;))

[riboflavin]

i was only joking mate no worries ;))

haha I know, just wanted to give your props.

[BumperMan]

Impressions...

camera height and zoom make this game LOOK great now it's just like past gen fifas etc!

The overall gameplay feels tweaked from what we saw in Euro 2008 but like many have said the ball curl is sometimes very buggy and absolutely game breaking.

graphically it's better but the grass still looks the same and hasn't had any major change to it since 07:(

Goalies are better passing is good BUt the occasional and frustratingly first step moves look off and animate poorly this year for some reason.


improvement overall seems to be about 20 percent. i want to see weather effects and different stadiums now

[heraldo7]

[QUOTE=Trance_Allstar;1442842]Not true, and a pointless thing to say because it isn't true.


It is true, the EA forums are full of kids that want to dribble and score goals galore. It is worrying that EA will listen to these guys in the future and make changes to the game that aren't necessary for the best interests of the series.

I have only switched to FIFA in the past 4 months and absolutely love it, FIFA 09 has built on 08 and more.

I love the simulation side of FIFA as it resembles real football.

I like this thread/forum as I guess the guys are the same age as me and not the 12/16 year old EA forums.


ps I would like to thank Placebo for the mirror videos he has produced recently. Cheers mate, much appreciated.

[TG1011]

hey guys does anybody know if theres a way to get the game here in the US before the oct 14th release date??(i know you can for the ps3 but this is for the 360)cause 11 days is long time..

[danhammer]

one tiny thing that grates me...a few times iv'e played a perfect chipped through pass...and the forward seems a little reluctant to take it on and i end up getting the ball taken off me when it seems easier to take the ball on and get a shot away...not sure if this is me or the game

this happened to anyone else?

[heraldo7]

Placebo, Chris Bauer and Jay D are you guys going to contribute towards the future podcasts on FSB?

I appreciate the efforts of Suff but would like to see one of you guys contributing to the podcast series instead of Adam who constantly contradicts Suff at the slightest opportunity. I would like to see FIFA guys speaking about the series instead of a PES fan.

Can you confirm

[Placebo]

ps I would like to thank Placebo for the mirror videos he has produced recently. Cheers mate, much appreciated.

You're too kind :)

hey guys does anybody know if theres a way to get the game here in the US before the oct 14th release date??(i know you can for the ps3 but this is for the 360)cause 11 days is long time..

Well the question is whether or not Fifa09 will be region free on the 360, Tiger Woods 09 and Madde 09 for the first time were region free, so if Fifa is also region free you could just order it from the UK and get it before the US release.

Placebo, Chris Bauer and Jay D are you guys going to contribute towards the future podcasts on FSB?

I appreciate the efforts of Suff but would like to see one of you guys contributing to the podcast series instead of Adam who constantly contradicts Suff at the slightest opportunity. I would like to see FIFA guys speaking about the series instead of a PES fan.

Can you confirm

Yeah we do plan to contribute to the podcasts, we're currently planning a demo roundtable discussion but just need to get organised on that one :)

[heraldo7]

Placebo

Thanks for the confirmation. I wish you all the best and the team in the future

[TG1011]

Well the question is whether or not Fifa09 will be region free on the 360, Tiger Woods 09 and Madde 09 for the first time were region free, so if Fifa is also region free you could just order it from the UK and get it before the US release.

I see.. so does anyone know if it will be region free? and if so, is there a good site to order it from or will any do??

[SPMC]

one tiny thing that grates me...a few times iv'e played a perfect chipped through pass...and the forward seems a little reluctant to take it on and i end up getting the ball taken off me when it seems easier to take the ball on and get a shot away...not sure if this is me or the game

this happened to anyone else?

it happened to me alot, with regular through passes.
the receiving player just sidepedals a few seconds before reacting properly.

[reddevils]

I've got one, but i still don't think the radar is very good. Especially when it turns almost invisible when the ball is near the bottom of the screen.

well i can see it easily and i use the radar alot as i play on dynamic camera

are you playin on the PS3? i am on the 360, maybe the PS3 radar is poorer?

[Placebo]

I see.. so does anyone know if it will be region free? and if so, is there a good site to order it from or will any do??

No way of knowing until it comes out, I don't think I ever remember EA answering questions about regionality, I'll ask Suff to ask his EA contact, you never know :)

[TG1011]

No way of knowing until it comes out, I don't think I ever remember EA answering questions about regionality, I'll ask Suff to ask his EA contact, you never know :)

o ok i guess ill check it out on the 3rd see what happens..and yea thatd be great for him to ask but if he cant no biggie..thanks a lot man

[Trance_Allstar]

Not true, and a pointless thing to say because it isn't true.


It is true, the EA forums are full of kids that want to dribble and score goals galore. It is worrying that EA will listen to these guys in the future and make changes to the game that aren't necessary for the best interests of the series.


Well, the reason I responded was that the poster claimed that "All" the people who criticised the demo were 12-year olds. I'm not 12 and I've criticised it. Generalizations like that are just lazy.

Also I seriously doubt that the majority of people on the EA forums are 12. Unless everyone of them have entered their birthdate and someone did a survey, or if there is a poll on the forums where the majority have answered that they are 12 years old. Feel free to direct me to your info. ;)


Obviously the post was just a post on a forum, but I don't like someone dismissing a whole forum because of some, to me, unverified claim that they are all 12 years old and thus their opinion should be ignored.
That doesn't even have anything to with their views. Why not just say, perhaps more truthfully and with a less dismissive tone, that the FIFA forum crowd tends to prefer a more arcade game experience, because those types of objections are the ones made towards the game over there. :)

[wan_d7]

everything is almost perfect with this demo, but for me i got problem with world class level. for me it doesn't feel that i'm facing a harder team, it just feel i'm facing a superhuman who take antibiotic and manage to get their speed increased by 10%! and this usually happen to lower side like Toronto. try to play 10+ match(which i rematch over and over again cause i can't win) and it's so annoying that the striker,no. 9 is more stronger than ricardo calvarlho. he even drag calvarlho all the way until reaching in front of the goal. and the other striker could jump so high, higher than terry and ballack and head the ball to the goal. and this Edu, i was more shock that he was even faster than essien! he just run from the back of essien and collect the ball pretty easily. that's the difference i feel between level. it's more reasonable in professional level though even the AI slightly stupid.

[kevano22]

I love the game. But I hope the speed is toned down a notch, players have a bit more weight to them, and the throughball is tweaked so you can hit a hard one. They all currently stop dead too quick.

If they fix them things (and the FK bug), then we're onto a winner :)

[airjoca]

Could someone ask EA to develop an easy tool so that the community can help them with kits and fonts?

If they asked for help (since they seem lazy to work on them), I bet the community would have the kits ready in no time, with pinpoint accuracy...

Maybe for FIFA10?

[gameklip]

btw with freekicks you can't hold the curl down from the start. you have to star after the bar is charged. they changed it. otherwise you ge banana shots. i suppose you can score with them... but its very hard. i can get gentle curl on my free kicks from messing around in the arena now.

give it a shot.

[airjoca]

Jesus Christ, just played a bit of FIFA08 for comparisions sake, and it sucks ass. I'm never playing it again. Whoever says that 09 is almost the same as 08 should have Materazzi kick him in the balls. :lol:

[EatonTJ]

everything is almost perfect with this demo, but for me i got problem with world class level. for me it doesn't feel that i'm facing a harder team, it just feel i'm facing a superhuman who take antibiotic and manage to get their speed increased by 10%! and this usually happen to lower side like Toronto. try to play 10+ match(which i rematch over and over again cause i can't win) and it's so annoying that the striker,no. 9 is more stronger than ricardo calvarlho. he even drag calvarlho all the way until reaching in front of the goal. and the other striker could jump so high, higher than terry and ballack and head the ball to the goal. and this Edu, i was more shock that he was even faster than essien! he just run from the back of essien and collect the ball pretty easily. that's the difference i feel between level. it's more reasonable in professional level though even the AI slightly stupid.

I don't see the speed increase problems at all in World Class. I have many breakaways and get plenty of 1v1 chances in the short time allowed in the demo. I find the World Class level to be far too easy, I'm consistently winning with Toronto v Chelsea/Milan/R.Madrid either 1-0, or 2-0. I haven't managed to score 3 yet, but the CPU AI is pretty ineffective on offense. I'm hoping EA toned the difficulty down for the demo to make it easier for people trying the game to succeed and that the final version is much tougher.

[Matk]

I posted this up on another board...anyone else notice this?

I think most people who are saying they blow shots way over the bar when shooting just dont have the right technique. I found that if you hold the sprint button and shoot that the shot will almost always fly way over. However if you let go of the sprint button just before you shoot, you will let off a cracker - which is very realistic in my opinion. How often do you see a player slow down just a little before he lets rip?

Try this technique out in the arena and I gurantee your shooting will improve.

[gameklip]

yeh, i knew this. PES players are used to holding run and then "wham".

really, in fifa09 you have to think like a real player would. when play is too fast you have to slow it down. there simply is no time to explore the possibilities of moves with this demo. i can see some goals coming from 10+ passes.

[andish2001]

Topspin shots are in. Just did several in a row in the arena with the ball ON the ground. Unfortunately im not entirely sure how i was doing it. I know for sure i was holding up as i shot. btw these are normal, runnning shots on right foot. no outside of the boot/finesse stuff.

Anyway, i like the new shooting physics, but agree that with a bit less weight they could be brilliant.

Through balls take too long to power up, i agree.

What controller settings is everyone in here playing on? Ive currently got it all on manual and its quite good, but obviously im misplacing a few passes which is annoying in a 2min demo. I tried passing on semi but its just terrible. Dont even have to do anything, it was just PES style diagonal passes down the pitch. Pathetic.

[Sugarray]

Jesus Christ, just played a bit of FIFA08 for comparisions sake, and it sucks ass. I'm never playing it again. Whoever says that 09 is almost the same as 08 should have Materazzi kick him in the balls. :lol:

Indeed, i try it today too. Its really impossible, even uefa euro is so boring now. Dont know what to do.

[wan_d7]

I don't see the speed increase problems at all in World Class. I have many breakaways and get plenty of 1v1 chances in the short time allowed in the demo. I find the World Class level to be far too easy, I'm consistently winning with Toronto v Chelsea/Milan/R.Madrid either 1-0, or 2-0. I haven't managed to score 3 yet, but the CPU AI is pretty ineffective on offense. I'm hoping EA toned the difficulty down for the demo to make it easier for people trying the game to succeed and that the final version is much tougher.

well it's easy for you but not to me. it's moderate if you're against big club, but it's hard against toronto. :LOL: well i'm a newbie with FIFA nextgen, so maybe i find it's a new thing to learn. just play again for i don't know how many time, and win 2-0. sweet. :EASY:

well i think the cpu a bit cheater cuz they seems to know when i was about to pass, move, shoot etc. That's annoy me in PES. Hope it won't be too obvious.

[EatonTJ]

well it's easy for you but not to me. it's moderate if you're against big club, but it's hard against toronto. :LOL: well i'm a newbie with FIFA nextgen, so maybe i find it's a new thing to learn. just play again for i don't know how many time, and win 2-0. sweet. :EASY:

well i think the cpu a bit cheater cuz they seems to know when i was about to pass, move, shoot etc. That's annoy me in PES. Hope it won't be too obvious.

Trust me, you are the lucky one. I've cut back on playing sports games over the years because it got to the point where the CPU offered no challenge. Playing with friends was the only way to get any real enjoyment out of the game. You should enjoy the challenge that FIFA presents for you, I think it makes winning really satisfying when it takes some effort.

So far, I've really enjoyed FIFA 09... I'm definitely going to purchase it this year. I hope that my lack of familiarity with the FIFA games (coming from playing PES for years) will make it challenging for me as well. If not, at least EA seems to make multiplayer more than just a bit part in the experience so I can get a lot of play out of it as well.

... But I'm really hoping for a challenging manager mode. I'd absolutely love to not finish in first place every season as I have in the Master League for years. I hope it's as hard as Football Manager can be... although I don't want to see the CPU "cheat" as they do in some games.

But, I'm trying not to get my hopes too high.

[heraldo7]

Why not just say, perhaps more truthfully and with a less dismissive tone, that the FIFA forum crowd tends to prefer a more arcade game experience, because those types of objections are the ones made towards the game over there. :)

I am sorry you took my post as a dismissive tone towards the EA Forum, I expect there are many good posters on there. Yes, what I should have said was that IMO they prefer a more arcade game and not generalised the whole forum. No hard feelings :TU:

[CW]

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq16/AntrAcsA/Animation2.gif

That's interesting, thanks...

[andish2001]

heraldo you are one funny dude.
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:


Most polite forum member award goes to you.

[Tim7]

WTF....? :LOL:

Back on the demo, I am going to go back to assisted or semi shooting tonight. The shooting has been revamped in fifa09 and going manual from the start is not the best option for me imo. And after seeing the WEpeeler compilation it makes me want to score more goals! :DD

[evacuate]

I don't see the speed increase problems at all in World Class. I have many breakaways and get plenty of 1v1 chances in the short time allowed in the demo. I find the World Class level to be far too easy, I'm consistently winning with Toronto v Chelsea/Milan/R.Madrid either 1-0, or 2-0. I haven't managed to score 3 yet, but the CPU AI is pretty ineffective on offense. I'm hoping EA toned the difficulty down for the demo to make it easier for people trying the game to succeed and that the final version is much tougher.

Are you playing with assisted controls? I mean it would be pretty unique if you're new to FIFA, playing manual controls on world class and win every match. The game gets pretty easy with assisted controls, so if you haven't changed it you should try out manual controls.

Edit:
I can also say that MS won this time. Got myself some Live Gold and played a couple of matches. Not sure what to think of everything yet, because I haven't played normal singleplayer since the day Euro 08 was released and I only played like one game and the rest of the time CYC. Not used to controlling every player.
Some first expressions:
- Header system seems amazing
- The game plays nothing like 08 or Euro
- Pretty fast playing even on slow but it might be because of 2 min halves
- There is a big difference in ball control when jogging with the ball (no LT or Sprint). In Euro I could dribble without holding down a button but it feels impossible in 09. It seems that if you want to dribble past someone you have to hold down LT, perform some directional change and then release LT to get your speed up again. I can clearly see this being something PES players hate because if you're not aware that you have to press LT to quickly change direction you will think the game is very unresponsive.
- Corners and freekicks like people said they are weird. I held UP on a corner and the topspin on the ball looked really weird starting high and then super topspin kicking in shooting it straight down the ground.
- Finesse shots are pretty hard (as in powerful) without also holding down LT. This was needed because they were so amazingly slow in 08/Euro.

Well I only played 4-5 matches but the game seems good to me. I just have to get used to it because it plays nothing like Euro. And again the headers... nice one EA. Oh right, finally the CPU tackles! If they just add some skill tricks to the AI sometimes it would feel pretty realistic I would say.

[Skylight]

anyone else notice the CPU GK throwing out the balls in front of the attackers quite frequtently?

[Tim7]

Yeah, I've noticed that, looks like they've got rid of the annoying bug where the CPU GK won't release the ball while there is an attacker in the penalty area. This could lead to quick CPU counter attacks :)).

[DagsJT]

I love how quick it is to throw a long ball to the full-backs :DD

[Mart]

Back on the demo, I am going to go back to assisted or semi shooting tonight. The shooting has been revamped in fifa09 and going manual from the start is not the best option for me imo. And after seeing the WEpeeler compilation it makes me want to score more goals! :DD
Tell me about it. I thought I'd whack everything to manual as I'm pretty hardcore (yeah right). 50 (I lost count, stupid length matches) penalty shoot-outs later and I think I should probably tone down some of the manualness.

I do remember once when I ran through with Van Nistelrooy, thought I'd try powering it into the top corner and did, just the top corner of the pitch as opposed to the goal.

[Bitter Rivals]

10v10 is going to be the best gaming ever

[Nick Cave]

The comments on the radar being poor are you 2D or 3D, I use 3D and it's very similar to 08 I find...

[shieldslfc]

Has there been any mention of the replays being fixed in the final release, as the frame rate is a bit crap, a bit like Pes2008 but obviously not as bad.