FIFA 09 PS3/360 Discussion Thread

[sweetkilla]

Just been playing the nba liva 09 demo and say they have something called ''online team play clubs''

ranked be a pro matches so maybe there could be ranked be a pro games afterall with organised games :) for fifa 09! clutching at straws but I keep hoping

[Becanes]

Placebo - I picture you looking like that guy in your avatar since you never change it.

[Placebo]

Well that is me, but me of however many years it was since Flashpoint Elite came out for the Xbox1 ;)

I'll be updating it with a pic of me from ArmA2 when they fix the skin texture bugs and put our faces back in ;)

[jonneymendoza]

Just been playing the nba liva 09 demo and say they have something called ''online team play clubs''

ranked be a pro matches so maybe there could be ranked be a pro games afterall with organised games :) for fifa 09! clutching at straws but I keep hoping
nba comes with the online BAP league thingy though?

[sweetkilla]

nba comes with the online BAP league thingy though?

no it doesn't have ea sports league thats why I think it might be in fifa 09 also as online team play clubs

[gergerger]

I wonder if we'll be able to choose 45 minutes halves.

[jonneymendoza]

no it doesn't have ea sports league thats why I think it might be in fifa 09 also as online team play clubs
someone said that both NHL and NBA have it ? wtf lol

[Blaccat]

no it doesn't have ea sports league thats why I think it might be in fifa 09 also as online team play clubs

Imagine captain your country online :w00t:

[sweetkilla]

someone said that both NHL and NBA have it ? wtf lol


I think it was me :w00t:

but its not the case..

Ea Sports Leagues concept is using created players


Online Team play is exactly the same idea apart from you are still stuck with pro's and they don't use the name ea sports league :) and theres no prize for the no.1 team

[Sugarray]

I really hope that the ai in the latest videos is in amateur because it is ridiculous the CB just stopped whatching the CF run to score a goal.

[sweetkilla]

I really hope that the ai in the latest videos is in amateur because it is ridiculous the CB just stopped whatching the CF run to score a goal.

Amatuer for Lyon vs Marseille

and Semi Pro for Chelsea vs Arsenal m8

[Coopz]

I really hope that the ai in the latest videos is in amateur because it is ridiculous the CB just stopped whatching the CF run to score a goal.

It says what difficulty they are on at the bottom

one is amateur and the other semi pro

[Placebo]

Some people just don't read!

[gameklip]

http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/fifa-09.html#view:257792


http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/fifa-09.html#view:257794

2 new videos for placebo

wow @ the responsiveness. huge improvement. there's a bit where the player is just meandering left and right really quickly. that is impossible in fifa08.

first time passing and stretched passing is more accurate too.


so cool.

[Sugarray]

Some people just don't read!

Thats cause i whatch in youtube and the quality really sucks.

[gameklip]

the curved runs by the strikers are quality too.

[Placebo]

Aha, you should watch from FSB, HQ versions are embedded :)

[Sugarray]

Thats cause i whatch in youtube and the quality really sucks.

Sorry, now i see in the blog, my bad... :(

[adelante]

so maybe you guys've heard bout this but apparently the PES2009 demo is coming on the same day as FIFA09? Man, comparisons're gonna run amok in these parts

[Becanes]

It looks like you really have to time your through balls with the run of the other player. They seem to pull out of their runs pretty abrutly when they get even with defenders.

[Placebo]

Sorry, now i see in the blog, my bad... :(

It's ok, main thing is you get to watch the videos and enjoy them hopefully ;)

[Sugarray]

so maybe you guys've heard bout this but apparently the PES2009 demo is coming on the same day as FIFA09? Man, comparisons're gonna run amok in these parts

I thought that would be available in the same week of the full release.

[Bitter Rivals]

Just been playing the nba liva 09 demo and say they have something called ''online team play clubs''

ranked be a pro matches so maybe there could be ranked be a pro games afterall with organised games :) for fifa 09! clutching at straws but I keep hoping

surely we are close enough for release to get the hype train going in regard of features, holding back on great features this late in the day when the release is only a month away would be silly i think.

i would be very, very suprised if there are anymore treats in fifa 09

i have to say fifa 09 without either of these features is easily good enough as an upgrade from fifa 08

i wouldn't be suprised if these or similar features are in place and are being worked on, just not for fifa 09

they need to hold back something for future releases i guess

[gameklip]

just watching the vids on my tele.

the nets are sick and the new goalie and shooting animations are great.

there's a corner and the header misses by inches. looks so good.

also i noticed the goalies are more adept at saving previously cheap goals. (near post).

at the end you can hear sam sparro's Black & Gold. and man have they improved the nets!! the replays at the end (benzema's goal) highlights this!

watching the chelsea man utd vid now... lol @ gallas and terry arguing and lol @ the ref checking the nets. a dig @ the fans? ;)

nice camera angle for displaying the new slimmer player models btw.

btw there's a freekick early on and i see some weird tactics thing (block) being moved above players names... i'm betting it has something to do with custom tactics.

edit #879123: check 6:min 30 secs for an awesome hanging header in the chelsea game.

[evacuate]

Well PES never hold back anything, they released the same game after PES 3 and still made big bucks.

It's as easy as time limits. They have less than a year to add new stuff and even if some things seems simple, they take a long time to create and to eliminate all possible bugs.

[lo00o2]

I don't know but I didn't really like the new vids. i think the attacking pace is way too slow, i mean its nice you can build up your attack slowly but it seems to me that it's still the same pace as you get closer to the goal, and i think this really will decrease the level of excitement when scoring a goal. It almost seems like the player aren't running at their full potential and concentration. There wer also a lot of chances created by the attackers intercepting a dumb ball from the defence.

i dunno, i really liked all the other vids

[sweetkilla]

yes because he was playing the cpu.... when its player vs player and half decent players you won't see defenders standing still like they have just been frozen for life

[Sugarray]

yes because he was playing the cpu.... when its player vs player and half decent players you won't see defenders standing still like they have just been frozen for life

Thats really scared me, cause i play 90% of the time against the cpu.

[sweetkilla]

play the cpu on a higher difficulty than amatuer and semi pro then...

[Placebo]

Exactly, it was reported from GC that Amateur/SemiPro have been dumbed down even more to allow the noobs more chance to get into the game.

[Geefiasco]

Played the AI (Legendary) for the first time in a few weeks, after playing online for the past couple months.

It feels good to actually have a proper match, where the opposition (AI) actually TRY to play football. Rather than the "Ronaldo Whore" style 90% people use online. Run, run, run, run, cut-backs, closing down with 3 players at once, cheating etc...

I think i might stick to offline on 2009. I know the AI cheat every now and then, but so do these f**kers online. Cut-back goals are cheats imo, as is holding down square/X to get 3+ players to quickly close you down.

[gameklip]

Exactly, it was reported from GC that Amateur/SemiPro have been dumbed down even more to allow the noobs more chance to get into the game.

oh crap. i liked professional for just tooling about :(

looks like i'll be on world class now.

[gecko14]

Well PES never hold back anything, they released the same game after PES 3 and still made big bucks.

It's as easy as time limits. They have less than a year to add new stuff and even if some things seems simple, they take a long time to create and to eliminate all possible bugs.

Lol, you don't know what you are talking about, PES3, PES4, PES5, PES6 and even PES2008 were totally different games regarding gameplay. IF you want to critisize a game, do it good, say the gameplay isn't good, that the graphics don't look good, but don't say things that arent' true.

[Dr Force]

It looked great to me, it was just played on a shit difficulty by shit players.

The ball seems to be much more free, you can teel that by the way pinged passes from short distance tend to bounce off players who try and control it.

Nets are just fantastic, you can see they are reactive all around the goal now rather than just the back and a swinging animation from side to side.

Looks great

[WEtongelre]

I agree. Finally the physics are right! They now can add different shapes of nets for FIFA 10 (hopefully) Gameplay looks really awesome! You can see the difference comparing to EURO 2008 and that was very important for me. Also the camera-bug on dynamic camera is fixed. Thank you EA!

[evacuate]

Lol, you don't know what you are talking about, PES3, PES4, PES5, PES6 and even PES2008 were totally different games regarding gameplay. IF you want to critisize a game, do it good, say the gameplay isn't good, that the graphics don't look good, but don't say things that arent' true.

Maybe you should take a look at what I was replying at. Sure gameplay was tweaked a little from version to version but basically no new features were added. THIS was the point of my post, but I'm not expecting a fanboy as yourself to understand this. :DOH:

[Rob92]

Lol, you don't know what you are talking about, PES3, PES4, PES5, PES6 and even PES2008 were totally different games regarding gameplay. IF you want to critisize a game, do it good, say the gameplay isn't good, that the graphics don't look good, but don't say things that arent' true.No, they were not totally different...

There were just a few little changes to things like responsiveness, physics, animations, game speed and so on.
That's not "totally different", that would be like rewriting the whole game from scratch, which PES has not done since PES3 (or before, as the PS1 games still play very similarly to the new ones).

[gecko14]

Maybe you should take a look at what I was replying at. Sure gameplay was tweaked a little from version to version but basically no new features were added. THIS was the point of my post, but I'm not expecting a fanboy as yourself to understand this. :DOH:

Well, you have been critising PES for a while now, and you're calling me a fanboy, that's funny. Especially when you consider that I own all copys of PES and FIFA since FIFA 98'. What's more funny is that EA hasn't done much good with their FIFA games until FIFA 2008. You even haven't played FIFA 2009 or PES2009, how can you even suggest one is better than another? Please wait till both games are available and then judge.

(Yea, you will probably now you say to me that you haven't said any of the things I think you said, but well, we have different opinions about that then)

No, they were not totally different...

There were just a few little changes to things like responsiveness, physics, animations, game speed and so on.
That's not "totally different", that would be like rewriting the whole game from scratch, which PES has not done since PES3 (or before, as the PS1 games still play very similarly to the new ones).

Ok, I agree, but I was referring more to the fact they just play differently, it's not that if you are very good at PES4 you wouldn't need to relearn how to play the game, you still needed to do that which indicates the gameplay is different.

[Trance_Allstar]

What I like alot is that they've added the 2-foot feint to the analog stick. That and the Drop Shoulder variations that were in PES5/6 etc were a big part of the gameplay, since the moves are not really moves that belong on the trick stick because of their nature, being a body feint and a quick ball shuffle.

For me the only really nice feature in PES2008 is the R2 dribbling system, which is very realistic in the way the player moves the ball with his feet when you change directions and such. You can do little shimmies and such with a natural flow.


I hope FIFA in the future, besides the 2-foot feint, also adds a drop-shoulder move executed similarly to in PES (where you just move the analog stick back and forth quickly to simulate the player starting to change direction but then moves in the other direction instead).

Similarly I would like it if they treated LT, apart from activating the trick stick, as a "dribble mode" like in PES2008. THat way if you hold Lt and move 90 degrees sideways, the player would automatically perform for example the sole drag to the side. That move is so easy to perform it doesn't really warrant a trick stick entry. Also it isn't really a trick per se, it is just moving the ball in a different manner, sidestepping rather than turning.

[sweetkilla]

according to wenb pes2009 demo same day as fifa

[jflores]

I would really like to see the team players approach the goal scorer and celebrate with him by jumping on top of him or something. I don't like how they just stand there. Also, the headers in all this vids still don't convince me. I hope that you actually feel the power of the headers as you do in PES. Oh well, everything else looks good though.

[WILDSTER180774]

just watched the french video. Looks very sweet. That bit with Terry and Gallas in the tunnel, Terry looks amazing. Some nice footage of the custom tactic screens.

[gators625]

I would really like to see the team players approach the goal scorer and celebrate with him by jumping on top of him or something. I don't like how they just stand there. Also, the headers in all this vids still don't convince me. I hope that you actually feel the power of the headers as you do in PES. Oh well, everything else looks good though.

Right. The celebrations look really poor. There's no excitemen to them. EA needs to do away with the cutscenes and interactive celebrations and just have the guys mob each other after a score or pump their fists to the crowd...just something more exciting.

[gameklip]

It looked great to me, it was just played on a shit difficulty by shit players.

The ball seems to be much more free, you can teel that by the way pinged passes from short distance tend to bounce off players who try and control it.

Nets are just fantastic, you can see they are reactive all around the goal now rather than just the back and a swinging animation from side to side.

Looks great

hehe yeh the nets are definitely much improved and a welcome edition. i like how the ball comes out and settles realistically on hard shots. no ones has tried the finesse shot yet though. would like to see that.

check out the crossing animation too. there's new ones! they pull right back and follow through with effort. looks quality.

(just noticing all the little details cause i'm watching it on my HDtv. hah

[WILDSTER180774]

I see everyone is going crazy due to pro evo getting th CL license with Arsenal being licensed in that mode.

[jflores]

hehe yeh the nets are definitely much improved and a welcome edition. i like how the ball comes out and settles realistically on hard shots. no ones has tried the finesse shot yet though. would like to see that.

check out the crossing animation too. there's new ones! they pull right back and follow through with effort. looks quality.

(just noticing all the little details cause i'm watching it on my HDtv. hah

Yes, finally the Nets are improved. They look beautiful!

And that Dynamic cam in the Chelsey vs Arsenal cam is also beautiful. I hope you can adjust it to pull it back a little more. That Drogba run and finish was very lifelike, and ofcourse, the realistic net animation together with the Cam angle and crowd behind the goal just made it look like a real match on TV.

Very nice!

[jonneymendoza]

I see everyone is going crazy due to pro evo getting th CL license with Arsenal being licensed in that mode.

come again? that dont make any sense. arsenal licence only if you play CL mode? so arsenal aint licenced when playing master league, online, and exibition mode

[WILDSTER180774]

come again? that dont make any sense. arsenal licence only if you play CL mode? so arsenal aint licenced when playing master league, online, and exibition mode

thats what i have been reading from comments on the wenb forum

[WILDSTER180774]

CL teams are licensed within the mode. So Arsenal become North London again when not playing the CL. Same for the other teams

[jflores]

CL teams are licensed within the mode. So Arsenal become North London again when not playing the CL. Same for the other teams

That is so piss poor..but oh well, at least you will have all CL licensed teams.

Thank goodness we have an alternative with great gameplay and fully licensed clubs this year.

One question, so when you speed up Fifa 09 with the sliders, does this also speed up the animations of the players in-game?

The reason I ask this is because in that Chelsey/Arsenal vid, I noticed some animations such as trapping the ball, heading, etc..look very sluggish.

[sweetkilla]

That is so piss poor..but oh well, at least you will have all CL licensed teams.

Thank goodness we have an alternative with great gameplay and fully licensed clubs this year.

first up, there will be a fully licensed Champions League mode featuring the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United!

[sweetkilla]

I hear there’s a decent chance the demo will be from a later build because it will have some added licenses i.e. proper boots, adboards etc. We’ll see.

I’ll get onto Konami tomorrow morning to try and get confirmation.

adam from wenb maybe he won't be using its the leipzig build excuse afterall

[Mart]

That is so piss poor..but oh well, at least you will have all CL licensed teams.

Thank goodness we have an alternative with great gameplay and fully licensed clubs this year.

The fully licensed alternative is the reason that you can't have more than two Premiership teams licensed fully in any other game. The exclusivity means it's a great license to have from EA's point of view. :)

[evacuate]

...

(Yea, you will probably now you say to me that you haven't said any of the things I think you said, but well, we have different opinions about that then)


I think we also have different opinions on what makes a good football game. I have no idea why anyone would by the old FIFAs... they were shit compared to PES.

But if someone bought the old FIFAs and enjoyed them, it makes sense that a person like that would enjoy the now more arcady PES.

[sweetkilla]

I am happy Konami got the license now EA will focus on 1 game for a whole year..... or we will see a Road To World Cup Game (I would prefer to see) as that means 100's of countries!

[sweetkilla]

I think we also have different opinions on what makes a good football game. I have no idea why anyone would by the old FIFAs... they were shit compared to PES.

But if someone bought the old FIFAs and enjoyed them, it makes sense that a person like that would enjoy the now more arcady PES.


When I was younger I loved buying FIFA + PES


Fifa for playing the cpu and manager mode and scoring 40 yard goals


and then PES with my mates for some serious competitive gaming and to fill that ego of mine

and as I was usually round my m8's for hours each day pes got way more play time

[jonneymendoza]

CL teams are licensed within the mode. So Arsenal become North London again when not playing the CL. Same for the other teams
fucking hell. that is bloody poor:LOL:

[WILDSTER180774]

sweetkilla, what did you think of that xbox review. It seriously was negative. Im asking as i know you have played fifa09?

[WILDSTER180774]

fucking hell. that is bloody poor:LOL:

this info is only stuff i have read on wenb forums so please dont take my word for it.

[sweetkilla]

sweetkilla, what did you think of that xbox review. It seriously was negative. Im asking as i know you have played fifa09?

As I said earlier it was a joke as far as I am concerned they think be a pro is a waste of time online and people will always ball hog etc there the idiots who play with randomers what else do you expect lol!

play with people you know and play competitively on gamebattles for example and that mode becomes the life source of fifa no joke!

as for their complaints like fifa not having nba's live season it tells you they were not even playing a finished build of the game! and probably had a month old build which will be nothing like the finished version so some complaints they felt/had may have been sorted already!

I still think their opinions were a joke and it was way way way better than the pes2009 build I played at Leipzig! Adam from WENB can say it doesn't show the game in its best light but that pes2009 build was at 70% the fifa build I played was at 80% and fifa was far far better for that extra 10% and with my above post where adam hints that the pes2009 demo may be a newer build it seems both demo's will probably be at the 80% mark#


decide for yourself I guess! but fifa is my cup of tea and I will be playing the pes demo alot also!

[WILDSTER180774]

As I said earlier it was a joke as far as I am concerned they think be a pro is a waste of time online and people will always ball hog etc there the idiots who play with randomers what else do you expect lol!

play with people you know and play competitively on gamebattles for example and that mode becomes the life source of fifa no joke!

as for their complaints like fifa not having nba's live season it tells you they were not even playing a finished build of the game! and probably had a month old build which will be nothing like the finished version so some complaints they felt/had may have been sorted already!

I still think their opinions were a joke and it was way way way better than the pes2009 build I played at Leipzig! Adam from WENB can say it doesn't show the game in its best light but that pes2009 build was at 70% the fifa build I played was at 80% and fifa was far far better for that extra 10% and with my above post where adam hints that the pes2009 demo may be a newer build it seems both demo's will probably be at the 80% mark

well i suppose we will all be able to judge next thursday for ourselves. cheers!

[sweetkilla]

yeah indeed.

PES fans will prefer pes2009

those who preffered fifa 08 will prefer fifa 09!

simple as that really nothing to really make you switch imo!


pesfans are too stubborn :P they wouldn't change if fifa 09 was exactly like pes 2009 with fifa graphics and commentarry etc and layout :P

[jflores]

You know what would be nice? to see the player run behind the goal to celebrate/hug with the fans. That woul be Ace!

Oh boy, next Thursday seems far, far away...

[Placebo]

I am happy Konami got the license now EA will focus on 1 game for a whole year..... or we will see a Road To World Cup Game (I would prefer to see) as that means 100's of countries!

Yeah I agree it could very well be a good result for Fifa fans :)

As for the review, as I wrote on the EA forums:

Those that can, develop games, those that can't, review them bitterly ;)

[gameklip]

fucking hell. that is bloody poor:LOL:

innit! :((

[sweetkilla]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.insidegamer.nl/xbox360/fifa09/impressies/22148&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[airjoca]

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.insidegamer.nl/xbox360/fifa09/impressies/22148&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Happy we were also there this week when a previewcode our office was able to find.

Is Yoda doing the translation? :lol:

[hanakuka]

i like the fact that you start out in the reserves team i also hope these reserves carry over to the manager mode

[Chris Davies]

The reason I ask this is because in that Chelsey/Arsenal vid...
Why do you keep calling Chelsea Chelsey?!

[gameklip]

one thing i give pro evo2008 are the goals and the way the celebrations are handled. Fifa's nets and shots have caught up imo but the slow mo replay of your celebration after couple of replays of the goal itself, is awesome.


love it.

saying that, i love scoring against a mate and doing the hush celo. :lol:

[Blaccat]

You know what would be nice? to see the player run behind the goal to celebrate/hug with the fans. That woul be Ace!

Oh boy, next Thursday seems far, far away...
The real FIFA wont allow EA to include that bcos its illegal in football, players get booked for it atleast in the EPL they do.

Same reason why they can't include diving

[jflores]

Why do you keep calling Chelsea Chelsey?!

That's a good question.:THINK:

Don't know what got into me.

[Chris Davies]

The real FIFA wont allow EA to include that bcos its illegal in football, players get booked for it atleast in the EPL they do.

Same reason why they can't include diving
You say that but the guys who have played FIFA 09 have said guys like Drogba go down "very very easily" and win a lot of fouls, so... I think they've found their own way of including it without pissing FIFA off.

[Rob92]

I think I am one of a very small group who actually likes the little celebration feature, I enjoyed doing some of the celebrations in the Euro 08 demo :).

[jflores]

I think I am one of a very small group who actually likes the little celebration feature, I enjoyed doing some of the celebrations in the Euro 08 demo :).

I actually don't mind it, I just wish the players would jump on you after I finish my celebration.

[sweetkilla]

you should do your celebration and once your celebration has ended in real time the closest players to you at that time just go nuts with you...

[Jamezinho]

I think I am one of a very small group who actually likes the little celebration feature, I enjoyed doing some of the celebrations in the Euro 08 demo :).

I think it's a really good feature. It's easily skipped past too, so I don't see why those that don't like it make a big fuss about it.

[Blaccat]

I think it's a really good feature. It's easily skipped past too, so I don't see why those that don't like it make a big fuss about it.

I guess if u are lossing 6 nil, custom celebration could be a bitch :LOL::LOL::LOL:

[gameklip]

i was losing 3-0 once and some guy was doing about 100 backflips and sh*t. i wanted to hit someone... or something. :lol:

[Jamezinho]

I guess if u are lossing 6 nil, custom celebration could be a bitch :LOL::LOL::LOL:

There should be an option where you can disable the celebrations completely, although I'll guess there wont be.

[YoungGun_UK]

I think thats probably one of the faults of the game I can think of, The celebration feature is a good idea IMO but has been poorly put together, for example Drogba doing the robot isnt something realistic etc, I would like they added actual commands for celebrations and even "signature" celebrations for some (Nani flip, Keane tumble) but my main point was were when you actually play football and you score a goal depending on the situation you would celebrate in different ways for example if I score the 4th goal in our 4-0 win at home i wont celebrate to much, but if I score a last minute goal i would then have a more exciting spontanious celebration with my team mates for example, others would be for a away day at Anfield for example your 2-1 down and the Anfield crowd is rocking and you smash in a 30 yard strike the perfect celebration would be the ":SHHH:SHHH" while taunting the home fans. I think EA need to make commands for situations so you now which command to choose for each type of goal you score to make it feel genuine and realistic.

[wan_d7]

I think thats probably one of the faults of the game I can think of, The celebration feature is a good idea IMO but has been poorly put together, for example Drogba doing the robot isnt something realistic etc, I would like they added actual commands for celebrations and even "signature" celebrations for some (Nani flip, Keane tumble) but my main point was were when you actually play football and you score a goal depending on the situation you would celebrate in different ways for example if I score the 4th goal in our 4-0 win at home i wont celebrate to much, but if I score a last minute goal i would then have a more exciting spontanious celebration with my team mates for example, others would be for a away day at Anfield for example your 2-1 down and the Anfield crowd is rocking and you smash in a 30 yard strike the perfect celebration would be the ":SHHH:SHHH" while taunting the home fans. I think EA need to make commands for situations so you now which command to choose for each type of goal you score to make it feel genuine and realistic.

indeed :-!

[gameklip]

i agree with that. but you can do the "Shhh" still on the run. i like doing that one most :lol:

[Oli]

They definately need more situation celebrations. Scoring a winner in the last minute for example. Totally agree with YoungGun

[Tim7]

:SHHH:

[evogerman10]

http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/fifa-09.html#view:257792


http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/fifa-09.html#view:257794

2 new videos for placebo

nice videos. also i dont know if this is only my opinion but doesnt the fifa 09 players look more fit to the field because in 08 the players looked big and the field small. also i noticed that in 09 if you make a close pass to hard the other player will not control it well.

[evogerman10]

Played the AI (Legendary) for the first time in a few weeks, after playing online for the past couple months.

It feels good to actually have a proper match, where the opposition (AI) actually TRY to play football. Rather than the "Ronaldo Whore" style 90% people use online. Run, run, run, run, cut-backs, closing down with 3 players at once, cheating etc...

I think i might stick to offline on 2009. I know the AI cheat every now and then, but so do these f**kers online. Cut-back goals are cheats imo, as is holding down square/X to get 3+ players to quickly close you down.

the only thing i consider cheating in online matches is when a player quits seconds before the match ends. but what you mentioned to me are different types of teqniques

[evogerman10]

yeah indeed.

PES fans will prefer pes2009

those who preffered fifa 08 will prefer fifa 09!

simple as that really nothing to really make you switch imo!


pesfans are too stubborn :P they wouldn't change if fifa 09 was exactly like pes 2009 with fifa graphics and commentarry etc and
layout :P

thats not really true because i was a pes fanboy until they came out with pes next-gen and had no problem admitting that fifa 08 was way better than pes2008. i did not even get pes2008. so now i just support the better game but only after playing it

[Blaccat]

Bro its called CUSTOM celebration

[Tim7]

I think it's called interactive celebrations ;)).

[Ernestito]

is it true that the argentinian league is available in fifa 09?

[andish2001]

Arent those jeuxvideo videos are on different camera?

[astirling]

thats not really true because i was a pes fanboy until they came out with pes next-gen and had no problem admitting that fifa 08 was way better than pes2008. i did not even get pes2008. so now i just support the better game but only after playing it

I think what he's suggesting is that if someone is still a PES fanboy after PES2008 then absolutely nothing is going to shift them. If PES2009 consisted of a pong type game complete with farting sounds whenever the ball is 'kicked' then they'd still claim that it was more 'fun' than FIFA with it's unresponsive controls and licensed kits which 'aren't as important as gameplay'.

[Placebo]

I think it's called interactive celebrations ;)).

I think it's called a silly gimmick feature put in so they have something to spam PR about and attract the kids.

As you gather it's something that I personally find pointless and silly :)

[OPM]

not only silly but annoying and stupid looking. worst new feature of the next gen fifa series so far.

[Radiation]

They should just make it optional instead of forcing their gimmicky shite onto everyone. It killed my flow in Euro 08 when I scored and then had to move someone around on the pitch waving his arms then I skip it and then I'd still be shown a canned celebration animation - what's the point of that?

And they haven't even added anything to it for 09 - they've just lazily copy/pasted the coding across.

Next year they'll add in pre kick off control where you can run around the pitch kicking the ball at the fans, circle the referee during the coin toss and move into line for international matches during the national anthems. After the match control will then be added the following year where you can run over to other players to swap shirts and shake hands with them.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Speaking of pre kickoff control, anyone remember the coin toss in iss/iss98? I found that a worthwhile element actually, especially now that we have visible away fans. It could be fun online if you play liverpool and choose to play the 2nd half towards the kop. Or that away/home crowds have different levels of noise depending on which way you are playing. And it breaks up the constantly kicking off first which makes teh games more generic imo, especially when its at the les artes for the 28th time that season.

Just a small element.

I would like Younggun's celebrations aswell, but then just make them contextual with the d-pad/analog tactics changing to this after scoring. Like he said winning 3-0 and scoring another would give a muted celebration, unless its a hatrick. While scoring an injurytime winner could have you running towards the bench and stuff like that. The could even make it slightly more random instead of the "do the robot" / do a flip" as it is now. Just assign "moods" to each direction; Agressive/Calm/Arrogant/Team/Signature/etc. Depending when the goal was scored (like the above examples) or if playing a "rival" it would do a "Random celebration" to coincide with the choosen direction/mood.

[gameklip]

they just need to copy pro evo2008's celo's.

the ones from PES2008 are perfect.

and why do they insist on having every cut scene film from below the player? are they trying to catch a glimpse of their nobs? that's the weirdest thing about fifas i swear..

[Jamie LUFC]

Id like to hear a different goal chant from the home fans and the away fans. At the minute if you score a goal away from home, you can hear a pin drop.

Instead it should be a feint (but noticeable) "yeaaaaaaah"

After that we should hear the away team chanting, whilst the home fans are more quiet.

Obviously this would all depend on the scoreline etc. but it could work.

Something small but it would be a welcome addition, to create more atmosphere.

[Placebo]

Id like to hear a different goal chant from the home fans and the away fans. At the minute if you score a goal away from home, you can hear a pin drop.

Instead it should be a feint (but noticeable) "yeaaaaaaah"

After that we should hear the away team chanting, whilst the home fans are more quiet.

Obviously this would all depend on the scoreline etc. but it could work.

Something small but it would be a welcome addition, to create more atmosphere.

Wasn't that already in Fifa08? I seem to remember a quieter cheer when you score away from home, maybe it needs to be made a smidge more subtle though.......

[Radiation]

I'd like to see a dynamic crowd that can react to the game as it happens.
Booing players who have injured one of their team or done a few too many nasty tackles. Quick example - Ferdinand hacks down Torres in the first 10 minutes of the match... for the rest of that game the liverpool fans would boo the crap out of him every time he has the ball.

I don't think it would be too hard to add - just add a simple positive or negative rating for each player that changed depending on what they do during the game.

[Cammey]

That celebrations thing is swinging me towards PES.

That's how much I hate the feature.

[WEtongelre]

not only silly but annoying and stupid looking. worst new feature of the next gen fifa series so far.

I totally agree. I'm a dynamic camera fan and it was superb in FIFA 08. In EURO 2008 with the celebration mode there were some bugs after score a goal. That is so annoying! In FIFA 09 that bug is fixed, but the camera still turns when hitting the net. It's painfull for me :((

[Mart]

I'd like to see a dynamic crowd that can react to the game as it happens.
Booing players who have injured one of their team or done a few too many nasty tackles. Quick example - Ferdinand hacks down Torres in the first 10 minutes of the match... for the rest of that game the liverpool fans would boo the crap out of him every time he has the ball.

I don't think it would be too hard to add - just add a simple positive or negative rating for each player that changed depending on what they do during the game.

I'd much prefer time was spent on audio aspects like this as opposed to commentary, so much more atmosphere could be generated with decent quality crowd audio that reacts realistically to events on the pitch.

Crowd noises are also more easily blended to sound organic unlike commentary, which can jar if the wrong intonation or trigger is used.

[Placebo]

That celebrations thing is swinging me towards PES.

That's how much I hate the feature.

LOL I wouldn't go that far, but I do hope that after the 10th time of pressing LB+RB immediately after I score the game will get the message that I want the user celebrations turning off permanently :)

[jonneymendoza]

one feature i would like is a seamless footy match where say if the ball goes out of play, instead of the screen going blank and all of a sudden all the players are in position to receive the ball from a throw in, why not have an animation where the player gets the ball from the croud or from the ball boy and then imedietly give u the option to do a quick throw in to keep the pace of the game the same?

NBA games have a seamless game of basketball with hardly any pauses during play and it makes the match more intense

[sweetkilla]

one feature i would like is a seamless footy match where say if the ball goes out of play, instead of the screen going blank and all of a sudden all the players are in position to receive the ball from a throw in, why not have an animation where the player gets the ball from the croud or from the ball boy and then imedietly give u the option to do a quick throw in to keep the pace of the game the same?

NBA games have a seamless game of basketball with hardly any pauses during play and it makes the match more intense

that would be gd nothing annoys me more than a break away and then your fouled and if it just went in real time I could take a quick free kick... and still be a threat to my opponent! resetting every players position is just BS

[BobbyBox]

Its true - it would add alot to the game. Hopefully it will be in future ones.

[BillyBoy]

They definately need more situation celebrations. Scoring a winner in the last minute for example. Totally agree with YoungGun

Yeah man I agree. If you score in the last minute in a cup final the scorer should be able to fire lightning from his hand while fireworks shoot out across the stadium. Then by rotating the right analog stick you can make a young Chinese girl sing the club anthem but it will all be fake ala Beijing 2008. ;)

[Mr_Wenger]

few questions for anyone who can answer, would be appreciated..

i cant remember of the top of my head if you can do quick free kicks in fifa 08, or also will this be possible in 09, like basically similar to what you can do in pro evo.

and the one im desperate to have answered, when it says that you can play 2v2 online, is this 2 people on the same console, or can you play with a mate who is miles away, so your both on the same team against 2 other people in the same situation?

[Dutfish]

I totally agree with the seamless football thing, I hate the pauses and cutscenes whenever a ball goes out of play. I usually just hammer buttons trying to skip them and end up wasting the freekick, goal kick or throw in I was about to take.

[jonneymendoza]

i dont mind if it pauses when the ball goes out for a goal kick but the rest should be seamless.

btw has there been any mentioning of what online modes there is besides 10v10? are we going to have a proper online league structure or is it the same crap has last time where there is no points system and GD stats?

[Coopz]

I think it's called a silly gimmick feature put in so they have something to spam PR about and attract the kids.

As you gather it's something that I personally find pointless and silly :)

That celebrations thing is swinging me towards PES.

That's how much I hate the feature.

I take it you 2 aint played CYC then?

On that with your mates the Interactive Celebrations are brilliant because you score and you do you own celebration like you would in real life so it bring you more into the game

But when your in control of the whole team the whole realism element is lost so the celebrations mean fuck all

[Bingham67]

I like interactive celebrations (although be better if players had signature celebrations) as Coopz says good against friends but there should be option to turn it off for people who dont want it. :))

[tobi]

The celebrations work well in Madden although in online games some people feel like your rubbing salt into their wounds.

[Cammey]

When I have just been on the end of a fluky rebound goal what I don't want is some 10 year old screaming down the mic "Whoo Ah Bitch take that", and seeing Torres running around giving me the wanker sign for 10 minutes.

[Placebo]

I take it you 2 aint played CYC then?


I have played a few games of CYC yes. not a big fan, prefer manager mode :))

[TikTikTikTikTik]

and seeing Torres running around giving me the wanker sign for 10 minutes.

:lol:

That would be great wouldnt, two fingers up to the crowd, bend over and show your arse, etc. They should add those

[DagsJT]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_01/CeleFowler_468x578.jpg

[Becanes]

I like the celebrations. Skip em if you don't like them. When I score on Coopz, I need my man to do a little trash talking, celebration style.

[Sugarray]

is it true that the argentinian league is available in fifa 09?
I dont think so, cause as we can see in one of those videos, boca juniors is in the "rest of the world".

[Coopz]

I like the celebrations. Skip em if you don't like them. When I score on Coopz, I need my man to do a little trash talking, celebration style.

You aint gonna score ;))

I could do a flip in Euro but could never land it so he fell on his arse everytime :LOL:

[Chris Davies]

Speaking of sound, I noticed the crowd sound when you score is a lot better this year. In some of the videos it sounds exactly like the crowd noise in FM when you score - recorded in a real ground and really, really loud.

[Oli]

Speaking of sound, I noticed the crowd sound when you score is a lot better this year. In some of the videos it sounds exactly like the crowd noise in FM when you score - recorded in a real ground and really, really loud.

Got an example? I havn't really noticed that. Most of the videos seem to have background noise so you can't hear much from the game.

[Chris Davies]

I noticed it most in one of the last videos, I'll have a quick look, watch this post for an edit.

EDIT: The sound overall is much improved in this video, try turning the monitor off and just listening to it. It sounds exactly like it would on Match of the Day (bar the commentary after 30-odd seconds). But the bit I'm referring to is the Chelsea goal on 3:46 - that sounds a lot better than in FIFA 08 to me.

YouTube - Fifa 09 Gameplay Chelsea v Arsenal Jeux Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4djrNeuXk)

[Coopz]

Fifa and all football games lack that "go on" or kinda loud gasp part when your team is creating a chance

so its.

go/come on, then a bit of silence for the anticipation then yeahhhhhhhhhhh/ohhhhhhhhhh for a goal or miss

like from 3:30 here

YouTube - Derby County....comeback kings! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmUFInAv_Q&feature=related)

and here for the first goal, you may need the volume up

YouTube - derby 3 forest 0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y857L5w1XNs&feature=related)

[Chris Davies]

Fifa and all football games lack that "go on" or kinda loud gasp part when your team is creating a chance
Agreed, although annoyingly it's perfect in Football Manager. The game knows there's a chance coming - obviously FIFA can't see into the future because you're in control, so it's not as easy - and the crowd make that noise. The "everybody stands up and gets ready for a goal*" noise.

* - Does not apply to Tranmere

[Wowlman]

Fifa and all football games lack that "go on" or kinda loud gasp part when your team is creating a chance

I'll tell you something though - FIFA 96 on the Megadrive used to have that! Terrible quality of course, but it's the thought that counts.

I used to think the crowd sounds were great at the time.

[Jamie LUFC]

Another welcome addition I would like to see is a variation of attendance in the crowd from both the home fans and the away fans.

For example if Newcastle are playing away then traditonally they will fill it. If wigan are playing away then they may not fill the away end.

Further example being Wigan can't fill their ground at home.

This could then be linked in with the crowd noise to determine whether both sets of fans should be loud or not so loud.

Maybe im being too fusy, however I would love a football sim to be as real as possible :))

[jonneymendoza]

Another welcome addition I would like to see is a variation of attendance in the crowd from both the home fans and the away fans.

For example if Newcastle are playing away then traditonally they will fill it. If wigan are playing away then they may not fill the away end.

Further example being Wigan can't fill their ground at home.

This could then be linked in with the crowd noise to determine whether both sets of fans should be loud or not so loud.

Maybe im being too fusy, however I would love a football sim to be as real as possible :))
PES had that. you coudl chose how many supprters for the home and away side there could be

[Chris Davies]

In fairness I think that's a good point, PES lets you choose a few things whereas FIFA has it all "locked in" - which wouldn't be so bad if they got it absolutely right, but they haven't all of the time.

It would be good to have home attendances affected by your team's performance, which is what happens in the PES ML. So when you're in Tranmere's league position, you're getting Tranmere's attendances, i.e. a blind man and his dog. Covering his eyes with his paws.

[Oli]

The goal sound does sound a bit louder on that vid Chris, but why do they still have the stupid delay in the crowd cheering. When Drogba is running there should be the "COME ON" sound then surely the crowd should cheer as soon as the ball crosses the line. Stupid delay

[jflores]

The goal sound does sound a bit louder on that vid Chris, but why do they still have the stupid delay in the crowd cheering. When Drogba is running there should be the "COME ON" sound then surely the crowd should cheer as soon as the ball crosses the line. Stupid delay

lol! You guys are too picky, but I agree with you. The right ambience sound at the right time really makes a difference and sucks you more into the gameplay.

[andreberruga]

I just hope when a Spanish or any other country team apart from the Scotland, USA and Ireland ones score a goal, the crowd don't "say"* YEAH!


*I don't know a better word to fit in the sentence :-pp

[Ferraritim]

I'd like to see a dynamic crowd that can react to the game as it happens.
Booing players who have injured one of their team or done a few too many nasty tackles. Quick example - Ferdinand hacks down Torres in the first 10 minutes of the match... for the rest of that game the liverpool fans would boo the crap out of him every time he has the ball.

I don't think it would be too hard to add - just add a simple positive or negative rating for each player that changed depending on what they do during the game.

That's a great idea! You should submit it to EA :)

[YoungGun_UK]

EA need to try to replicate these type of last gasp, encouraging and boo'ing before the roar of the crowd :))
YouTube - Ronaldo Fulham Away (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2w9bnSYJ04)

[Placebo]

It would be good to have home attendances affected by your team's performance, which is what happens in the PES ML. So when you're in Tranmere's league position, you're getting Tranmere's attendances, i.e. a blind man and his dog. Covering his eyes with his paws.

That's already in Fifa08 dear boy ;))

Be mid table and below and your ground is half empty, be doing better in the league and thus higher up and your ground is fuller :)

[Cammey]

The nets look brilliant this year.

I bet the net fetish people are creaming themselves. :-pp

[kgulls]

Do we know if the option exists in manager mode for a mate to take control of a team or is this still locked to the computer?
I don't suppose its gonna be possible to set up a league with your mates controlling other clubs either.Thats the one mode that I wish could be made available.

[jflores]

The nets look brilliant this year.

I bet the net fetish people are creaming themselves. :-pp

Don't know about the creaming part, but I am glad to see EA's realization of the importance of replacing Brick Walls with actual realistic net animations.

[Dr Force]

The nets look brilliant this year.

I bet the net fetish people are creaming themselves. :-pp

I've knocked a few off since watching the latest net physics;))

[Tim7]

:lmao:

[paddyknight]

um... not sure anyones pointed this out, but remember the uproar when pes took out the fans when the ball was in play because it was affected the gameplay/graphics.... well look at the crowd in chelsea arsenal vid. no front row, and when they get near the corner and in one of the replays its a bit in and out.

to be honest the game looks great but 2 concerns i noted were, on drogbas goal defenders are doing that thing when they dont try and cut an angle across to a player running through, they just run straight across then when he goes past they kind of face back up to the pitch and break off that way, 2 or 3 of the defenders do it and it looks ridiculous, regardless of if its on semi pro.

also the celebrations look pretty ludicrous, one man runs off with 4 behind him, then they stand 5 metres behind to watch, then all just jog off. i still dont feel like a game really has recreated the ecstasy of scoring an important goal, its got to be an instant eruption/reaction from the crowd and a seamless link into the animation.

[evacuate]

Would be great if they let us pick difficulty level in the demo so we can see if the bad AI in the videos is because of Semi pro or if it's just general bad AI.

[Achillias]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1967/fifa09uc7.jpg

PS3 boxart.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

The nets look brilliant this year.

I bet the net fetish people are creaming themselves.

Shut it MotherTucker!

:D

[Chris Davies]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1967/fifa09uc7.jpg

PS3 boxart.
That's not official is it?

The 360 boxart would be the same as the PS3 surely, and the official one is all over the place now in the UK (see FSB (http://www.fifasoccerblog.com) for a picture of it).

It doesn't have the Premier League logo on the bottom right either.

[JayD]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1967/fifa09uc7.jpg

PS3 boxart.
Fake.

[Achillias]

That's not official is it?

The 360 boxart would be the same as the PS3 surely, and the official one is all over the place now in the UK (see FSB (http://www.fifasoccerblog.com) for a picture of it).

It doesn't have the Premier League logo on the bottom right either.

Most dutch shops use this template for on there website. It might be fake because of the old shirts on it.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Isnt Ronaldinho on all of them aswell? Won't be looking at those two w@#$ers much anyway.

[Jamie LUFC]

Does anyone else think EA should make the pitch a little bit bigger?

I have just been playing FIFA 08 offline and Im finding it difficult to exploit width for my wide players (playing the old 4-5-1, 4-3-3 when attacking system). I just think it needs to be stretched a tad.

I've been thinking this for a while but never give any thought because playing online gives you more space around the park, but reverting back to offline has made me think about it a little bit more.

[sweetkilla]

Gametrailers.com - FIFA Soccer 09 - PAX 2008: Gameplay (Cam) (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39550.html)

pax gAMEPLAY!

[hanakuka]

nice

[Chris Davies]

I love all the different scoreboards, nice touch!

There's something about the knockaheads in that though that look a bit... Off?

[evacuate]

The stumble animation looks as irritating as always. Every time someone stumbles it looks exactly the same, stumbling forward a couple of steps. They should make them different, sometimes only a much shorter stumble and not such a long irritating scripted one, but one were you can turn back again faster. I mean just because you lose the ball in real life you don't have to stumble, you should be able to win it back faster unless you get shoved away.

[Coopz]

FFS why get wank people to play it?

Hes in the clear for a shot at the end and the tit presses cross instead of shoot

I like that video alot more than the other 2 vs the CPU though, less chances and harder to break down. I feel for the people who play the CPU if them other vids are anything to go by

[BillyBoy]

Very nice. Looks better and better.

[Bingham67]

FFS why get wank people to play it?

Hes in the clear for a shot at the end and the tit presses cross instead of shoot

I like that video alot more than the other 2 vs the CPU though, less chances and harder to break down. I feel for the people who play the CPU if them other vids are anything to go by

The other 2 videos were on Amateur and Semi Pro level though.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

There's something about the knockaheads in that though that look a bit... Off?

Yep, at one point it looked like the video was missing a couple of frames.

Hopefully it was, as it was far too fast and far for my liking.

[baisti]

the vid looks very well

[stuartyd]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1967/fifa09uc7.jpg

PS3 boxart.

gotta say, this cover looks better than the official one

[stuartyd]

Love the grass in the new vid, just hope they get rid of those daft FIFA ads from either side of the goals.

I.m one of those net lovers and i like the look of the new net physics, but on watching the Lyon v Marseille & the Chelsea v Arsenal don't you think the nets just suddenly stop moving rather than gradually go back to their original shape?

[jflores]

I love all the different scoreboards, nice touch!

There's something about the knockaheads in that though that look a bit... Off?

What I find strange and off about the knockaheads is that you don't see the player actually pushing the ball forward ahead of him while on the run. In other words, there doesn't seem to be an animation for this execution as the player knocks the ball ahead of him. Hence the odd look.

[Chris Davies]

I was thinking more the way that the ball stops really quickly, like a cueball with lots of backspin. It does look a bit off. People are saying you see this in the PES videos when a player simply sprints with the ball, that the ball stops dead after each knock forward. It just looks weird.

[Cammey]

I think the speed of the game looks good.

It feels like running through treacle a bit now with Fifa 08.

[SPMC]

I love all the different scoreboards, nice touch!

EA taking it's cue from the editing community, albeit WE/PES editing.
it was just last year that hex-editing scoreboards for WE/PES was big.
Konami take heed.

btw, for MM enthusiast, hopefully EA at least added or improved the cup winning celebration/cut-scenes from EURO 08. it was anti-climactic in FIFA08.
and hopefully the celebrations are shown at the point when you mathematically clinch the league, instead of at the end of the season :DOH:

[Dr Force]

I was thinking more the way that the ball stops really quickly, like a cueball with lots of backspin. It does look a bit off. People are saying you see this in the PES videos when a player simply sprints with the ball, that the ball stops dead after each knock forward. It just looks weird.

Except it seems more prominent in PES.I noticed it on the general running animation when they are just running with the ball, you can see its got that old football tied to the boot animation.

At least FIFA has the feeling of it being alot more free whilst running and controlling it, however, I do agree that the knock-on looks weird.

I dont tend to use the knock on that much anyway, apart from the odd time when you need to create space in a tight situation. Its always going to look shit playing someone who continually just knocks it down the line for 60 yards for the cross.

played correctly and the game plays like real footy, despite its little offline and online niggles.

[Jamie LUFC]

I was thinking more the way that the ball stops really quickly, like a cueball with lots of backspin. It does look a bit off. People are saying you see this in the PES videos when a player simply sprints with the ball, that the ball stops dead after each knock forward. It just looks weird.

Funny you should say that because I feel the ball runs more free now. There is more chance to mis-place a pass and I really like that.

Maybe I will notice more about the ball physics when I get my hands on the demo.

5 more days to go.....ouch.

[Beattie]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1967/fifa09uc7.jpg

PS3 boxart.

No one noticed the most obvious thing to make this fake?

That's an old Chelsea shirt.

[Placebo]

For me the most obvious thing was that Cronaldo is contracted to Konami.....

[sweetkilla]

and for me the most obvious thing was Ronaldinho and Rooney were not on the cover they always will be until their contracts run out!

[Retri]

judging by these videos players don't seem to have any inertia even when they're running at max speed, which is just mind-boggling and makes the graphics fall into a disappointing uncanny-valley'ish realm; they can just switch direction, swirl, stop or turn back pretty much instantly and with no repercussions whatsoever on their balance and ball control which shouldn't be allowed if they're aiming at keeping our disbelief effectively suspended. This is something that has always bugged me in sport "simulations" such as NBA Live, FIFA and the likes and what ultimately made games like J League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship and JWE6 the superior choices at the time they were released, at least for me.

Aside from that everything looks in place (besides faces 3D modeling but that's a given), I wonder why they haven't been able to get the inertia thing right yet considering they've been developing football inspired games for more than a decade.

[Dr Force]

judging by these videos players don't seem to have any inertia even when they're running at max speed, which is just mind-boggling and makes the graphics fall into a disappointing uncanny-valley'ish realm; they can just switch direction, swirl, stop or turn back pretty much instantly and with no repercussions whatsoever on their balance and ball control which shouldn't be allowed if they're aiming at keeping our disbelief effectively suspended. This is something that has always bugged me in sport "simulations" such as NBA Live, FIFA and the likes and what ultimately made games like J League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship and JWE6 the superior choices at the time they were released, at least for me.

Aside from that everything looks in place (besides faces 3D modeling but that's a given), I wonder why they haven't been able to get the inertia thing right yet considering they've been developing football inspired games for more than a decade.

Its a football game!!

Your asking for too much IMO.In effect what you want is the programmers and hardware to be able to calculate human biomechanics in real time.

Just stop and think about that for a moment....................

-The hardware is not powerful enough at the moment to be able to do this

-The programmers have limited time and budget to put something as complex as that together in a relatively short space of time.

-10 years has little to do with the dev cycle as PES & fIFA last gen have pretty much used the same calcs and animation across the PS2 for that time.

-I think it may well have an adverse effect on the fun factor, rather like the explanation as to why they do not include 360 degree movement, with players losing controls far too often.

Its just a step too far, there is no way they are at the stage to be able to implement such complex movement, where calculations are made in a split second dependant on the move implemented by the joypad, which is implemented as fast as proprioception in a human being.

Of course they could remove the cerebellum and plant it into a plastic box;))

[evacuate]

In FIFA 08 the players don't just switch directions. Moving a player in 08 is like trying to navigate a big boat and it doesn't feel realistic at all to me. I think it's pretty good in Euro, it's only the response times that still are a little sluggish.

[Radiation]

Are the different scoreboards available to us all or are the region specific so the German copy gets a scoreboard that sort of matches their own TV broadcast and the UK gets a sky sports lookalike one and so on?

The problem with them adding inertia as well would be response times would take a huge knock - if you're running and you wanted to change direction you'd press left then right and have to wait for them to slow down and then spin around.

[Jamezinho]

I think the scoreboard changes depending on what league you are playing in.

[Geefiasco]

Anyone know what features in Manager Mode will be improved?

I know EA have stated that they have not made any major changes, as they were focusing on general game-play. But does anyone know what changes there will be? if any at all?

[Cammey]

Anyone know what features in Manager Mode will be improved?

I know EA have stated that they have not made any major changes, as they were focusing on general game-play. But does anyone know what changes there will be? if any at all?

I hope they have changed the transfer system.

I hate how you can buy any player for any team if you have the money.

[Oli]

I'm guessing Manager Mode will be unchanged.

[Nick Cave]

I'm guessing Manager Mode will be unchanged.
Yep...:(( It's the old "we did not have time" crap Konami usually pull...

[Retri]

Its a football game!!

Your asking for too much IMO.In effect what you want is the programmers and hardware to be able to calculate human biomechanics in real time.

Just stop and think about that for a moment....................

-The hardware is not powerful enough at the moment to be able to do this

-The programmers have limited time and budget to put something as complex as that together in a relatively short space of time.

-10 years has little to do with the dev cycle as PES & fIFA last gen have pretty much used the same calcs and animation across the PS2 for that time.

-I think it may well have an adverse effect on the fun factor, rather like the explanation as to why they do not include 360 degree movement, with players losing controls far too often.

Its just a step too far, there is no way they are at the stage to be able to implement such complex movement, where calculations are made in a split second dependant on the move implemented by the joypad, which is implemented as fast as proprioception in a human being.

Of course they could remove the cerebellum and plant it into a plastic box;))

Inertia was handled just fine in those 2 PS2 games mentioned above...

When you started running very fast the ball would get pushed progressively further away from your feet as your speed increased (up to a point, of course, giving your adversaries a chance to get it off you with a perfectly timed tackle or contrast) whilst switching direction, let alone turning back, would get increasingly harder and could require pretty large portions of field especially if you were cruising at max speed.

Needless to say that controlling both ball and players in these games was extremely challenging and very rewarding and dribbling could get done only with perfect timing and skill, as opposed to these special move-happy, so called "simulations" characterized by dumbed down controls and sketchy physics software houses are handing out these days and no, I don't think hardware is a limiting factor in this instance.

[BillyBoy]

I hope they have changed the transfer system.

I hate how you can buy any player for any team if you have the money.

That sounds like a load of crap. :(

[TikTikTikTikTik]

I hate how you can buy any player for any team if you have the money.

Sounds like ManCity.........

I think the scoreboard changes depending on what league you are playing

This was in 08 aswell, Im sure I noticed it when playing friendlies.

[Nick Cave]

I hope they have changed the transfer system.

I hate how you can buy any player for any team if you have the money.
I hope the other teams buy and sell more and change their squads around too... :DOH:

[chriscrocker]

Haven't played FIFA for many years but I'm more and more impressed with every video I see. Chelsea/Arsenal game, even though the player was a complete nub, was enough to make me believe that this year could be the turning point and the final nail in the coffin for PES. Just hope it plays as well as it looks on screen and I'll certainly be trying the demo next week if it arrives.

My biggest gripe is still the nets, why do the posts have that shadow behind them, looks wrong, and the animation is a bit better but not realistic at all, it doesn't ripple correctly and as it returns to it's default state it does so too quickly making it look very fake.

[evacuate]

Imagine how great different modes would be if they all had different teams assigned to it. So it would be like an internal battle in the whole FIFA team to make the best and most liked mode.

It feels like no one is working on MM at the moment.

chriscrocker look at the nets Chelsea have, they pretty much behave like the ones in FIFA, they are very tight. So it's not unrealistic to me, but that doesn't mean you can't prefer loose style nets.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1521440/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1521468/

[chriscrocker]

Well that is true but the point about the animation not being smooth enough I think is still a problem. For example if you look at the chelsea nets, even though the main net reaction which you can see from a distance is very short, there is a slower secondary ripple effect as the net loses it's energy and returns to default state.

I am slightly compulsive about that and it ruins the feeling of scoring somewhat. I think I could live with that small problem though if the game is high quality. Also, at least they have listened and made improvements where as Konami came out and said the nets would have a more "european feel" which turned out to be a load of bollocks.

[Coopz]

Bitch please!!!!!!

[chriscrocker]

Leave Konami alone!

[Coopz]

:LOL:

[jflores]

Well that is true but the point about the animation not being smooth enough I think is still a problem. For example if you look at the chelsea nets, even though the main net reaction which you can see from a distance is very short, there is a slower secondary ripple effect as the net loses it's energy and returns to default state.


After examining the nets on Drogba's second goal, I see exactly what you mean. The net abruptly goes back to default where the ball hits instead of a more slower reaction. It's very minor and hardly unnoticable. Don't worry, besides, this might just be on certain stadiums/nets only.

EA dramatically improved the nets in my opinion. Having them go back and tweak them again might lead to a screw up that will leave us net freaks very unsatisfied.

Relax mate, the nets are much improved and fine the way they are.

;-)

[chriscrocker]

Yes I agree, as I said if the game is as good as it seems it could be, then these nets are fine and at least they are the right shape!!!

[Dr Force]

After examining the nets on Drogba's second goal, I see exactly what you mean. The net abruptly goes back to default where the ball hits instead of a more slower reaction. It's very minor and hardly unnoticable. Don't worry, besides, this might just be on certain stadiums/nets only.

EA dramatically improved the nets in my opinion. Having them go back and tweak them again might lead to a screw up that will leave us net freaks very unsatisfied.

Relax mate, the nets are much improved and fine the way they are.

;-)

Agreed

For the first time In FIFA's history the actual sides of the nets move realistically:DD

It gives the impression that the ball is now not hitting a heavy duty carpet covered in wall paper paste. the ball behaves at it should when you hit the net also so the whole thing is vastly improved on 08 & Euro 08.:SMOKIN:

[Jamezinho]

I think the nets look decent in Fifa09. Ok, maybe they return to their original shape a little too quickly, and they could be a bit looser, but it's an improvement on last year.

Also, from the recent clips I've seen I have to say I'm impressed with the player faces (Gallas and Terry look fantastic). Dare I say it, but in some instances the faces look better than in PES? They are full 3D which gives them a more real look in my opinion, although they are not brilliant across the board.

[chriscrocker]

Why doesnt someone take football kingdom, reverse engineer it and work out how they did their nets.

[evacuate]

Because you can't reverse engineer magic!

[BillyBoy]

I still think Football Kingdom's nets are better but FIFA 09's are not that bad now.

[gergerger]

12 posts in a row about nets.

If EA released a game called "net physics 2009", consisting of only a net and a ball, maybe some people here would buy it instead of buying Fifa 09. :)

just kidding

[Jamezinho]

"net physics 2009"

:-...

[reddevils]

I think the nets on FIFA 09 look superb, not perfect but it is the best net in FIFA's history :|

also LOOKS better then PES09's nets, on PES09 the design is just awful

[lons_pl]

I think the nets on FIFA 09 look superb, not perfect but it is the best net in FIFA's history :|

also LOOKS better then PES09's nets, on PES09 the design is just awful

Agree with you!I think that nets in Fifa 09 looks decent,much better than Fifa 08.The nets are more realistic now.:EASY:

[tenebral]

This fake has been done last season it's normal.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

If we continue to post enough Im sure we will be able to manipulate SB into saying the following:

This year's next gen versions still seem very much based on the PS2 version of the game. Will we see a big overhaul in graphics and game engine over the next couple of years in the next gen versions?

Seabass: Well I can already promise you that next year's version of PES will have a lot more new nets as you would expect because we're already working on these new nets right now. With the release of the PS3 we now have all the basic nets of the next gen at a starting stage finally. Now I don't have to worry about creating the basic nets for the next gen versions for next year, meaning I have already been able to start working on new nets. Now I'm able to promise new nets and a complete overhaul in every aspect of the nets.

We haven't seen many changes in PES's game modes for a while - are you planning new game modes for next year's version?

Seabass: For the game modes I understand that we haven't added many new nets which is quite problematic for us, even within the team. But actually all the new nets which we are going to put in the game for next season are already finished. Obviously I'd like to be able to tell you what these are, but you'll understand I can't tell you about the new nets for next season, when we haven't even released PES 2009 yet!
But it's not just the new nets which are important, but changes to the breezeblocks are even more crucial, so I don't want to forget about that aspect as well.

[gameklip]

judging by these videos players don't seem to have any inertia even when they're running at max speed, which is just mind-boggling and makes the graphics fall into a disappointing uncanny-valley'ish realm; they can just switch direction, swirl, stop or turn back pretty much instantly and with no repercussions whatsoever on their balance and ball control which shouldn't be allowed if they're aiming at keeping our disbelief effectively suspended. This is something that has always bugged me in sport "simulations" such as NBA Live, FIFA and the likes and what ultimately made games like J League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship and JWE6 the superior choices at the time they were released, at least for me.

Aside from that everything looks in place (besides faces 3D modeling but that's a given), I wonder why they haven't been able to get the inertia thing right yet considering they've been developing football inspired games for more than a decade.

you do realise that is what caused the delay in fifa 08 right? they just spent all their time taking that stuff out due to everyone complaining. lol

the whole inertia thing would work if the pitches were bigger. the space is far too tight to run and stop, then pull a trick or turn.

[gameklip]

new vid:

http://tv.multiplayer.it/3176/fifa-09-filmato-2-videoanteprima-gc-2008

thanks to MiXdBrEh9 @ FIFA09 forums forum finding it.

[Sollito]

new vid:

http://tv.multiplayer.it/3176/fifa-09-filmato-2-videoanteprima-gc-2008 (http://tv.multiplayer.it/3176/fifa-09-filmato-2-videoanteprima-gc-2008)

thanks to MiXdBrEh9 @ FIFA09 forums forum finding it.

Nice!

Tkzz ;))

[kobashi]

Was that Vid against CPU or Human? if it was CPU then I gotta say they played some good football in that video.

Plus I see misplaced passes.. :)

[evacuate]

That guy actually makes the game look bad. He made it look so boring. I was thinking to myself that this kind of person must hate the new FIFA and love PES.

kobashi he was playing against the cpu, probably semi pro or lower because the cpu was really bad and so was the player.

[SXFuzz]

That guy actually makes the game look bad. He made it look so boring. I was thinking to myself that this kind of person must hate the new FIFA and love PES.

He was terrible.

There are two instances in the Italy vs Argentina clip (both in the first 30 seconds) that concern me; where a ball is not going to the player with the cursor above his head - instead, it's going right to the feet of a cpu controlled teammate, yet they just stand there like lemons. It happened in FIFA 08 as well.

[fantomas23]

new vid:

http://tv.multiplayer.it/3176/fifa-09-filmato-2-videoanteprima-gc-2008

thanks to MiXdBrEh9 @ FIFA09 forums forum finding it.

why does san siro have a pitch with a circular pattern? shocking

[Sugarray]

In the video the guy confirm that we will have the option to choose the speed of the game!!!! Thats brilliant!!!!

[BumperMan]

the new video from gametrailers?

Game looks just like last years.....

[Blaccat]

the new video from gametrailers?

Game looks just like last years.....

Sorry, come again?

[evogerman10]

im never again going watch fifa 09 gameplay videos because the people that play are so fucking ass

[Bingham67]

Oh well 4 days now then everyone can make own minds up. :DD

[chriscrocker]

Great vid again, very impressive. Guy playing as Italy was a bit of a dick though...yeh let's get from within shooting distance every time then pass to a defender, because that's what people want to see on a recording!

Really need to try this for myself now. Any of you guys that moved from PES to FIFA have any tips? Like I know it will take a bit of patience, is it best to dive straight into full manual?

[TikTikTikTikTik]

I tried full manual with 08 but it was just too much/hard. I think it was also due to the reaction speeds but I found it hard just to pass the ball about in an accepted manner. A lot in here think its the way to play and to have full control, but for me the challenge should be the AI / opposition, not your own lack of control. Although one of the main reasons Im really looking forward to 09 (having enjoyed both 08 and euro) is the comeback of the d-pad control. Played fifa05 (poor game, but 07 kept locking up) on the ps2 at a mates the other week and being able to use the d-pad again made me feel in so much more control. Im a bit of a dinosaur in that regard so for me having assisted makes the game mroe playable and enjoyable. Ive also always played pes with d-pad.

So with that I went assisted passing, assisted/semi shooting, semi crossing, assisted throughball and manuel long ball.

That allowed me to play with the speed I wanted and to help me with my analog handicap :D

But probably more then the controls is how you play the game. One bsic difference Ive noticed was that in PES you determine what you teammates do, i.e. you pass/throughpass and they run towards/after the ball. In fifa its the other way around, you have to look for the runs your teammates make and then pass. That makes a huge difference.

[evacuate]

chrisrocker if you want to play the game as you play PES you should play assisted. If you're up for a challenge and want a feeling of simulating real football you should go manual. If you do man up and play manual I would suggest you might go semi on normal passes to be able to hit quick and longer passes without the need to fill up a meter. This way you can use through balls for most of your passes and only use semi passes when you're under heavy pressure.

It takes time to master fully manual because we're used to just aim at the side and let the cpu do all the work for us. It's really rewarding when you get the hang of it though. Almost a feeling of total freedom.

[Tim7]

1) Anyone got a video of Football Kingdoms nets?

2) How can you say using the d-pad gives you more control! :LOL: What actually happens is that the CPU does all the work for you and for me, takes any enjoyment out of passing / attacking.

[HOMERSIMPSON]

In that last video in san siro did anyone notice that in the starting scenes cambiaso was the ref checking the nets
weird http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6489/cambiassorefvl3.png (http://imageshack.us)

[fcsg1879]

1) Anyone got a video of Football Kingdoms nets?

YouTube - Football kingdom Highlight[02] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcvciKaoPA)

[s33k3rgr]

man this football kingdom game looks better than pes08....

[Rob92]

If they would have worked on that Football Kingdom game then I reckon they would have had a PES and FIFA beater - some of the passes and goals look very realistic and the nets look real.

It's a shame there hasn't been and there won't be a sequel to it :((.

[ajaxforever]

why does san siro have a pitch with a circular pattern? shocking
Like FIFA 08, you can choose wichever pattern you want.
In that last video in san siro did anyone notice that in the starting scenes cambiaso was the ref checking the nets
weird http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6489/cambiassorefvl3.png (http://imageshack.us)
That ain't Cambiasso.

[evacuate]

If they would have worked on that Football Kingdom game then I reckon they would have had a PES and FIFA beater - some of the passes and goals look very realistic and the nets look real.

It's a shame there hasn't been and there won't be a sequel to it :((.

I wouldn't say it would have been a FIFA beater, because it's very arcade like in its gameplay. Could probably have been better than PES though because the tempo is pretty much the same but as far as I understand they have some sort of free passing system that's not on rails like PES has.

The nets are so beautiful :CRY:

[WEtongelre]

Hahaha is everyone net-lovers these days? :D

[WILDSTER180774]

just watched that football kingdom video, wow! that really does look a good game. When was it out and who made it? Maybe the developers should think about making a new, next gen version. More competition can only have a positive effect.

Regards to that Multiplayer video from Leipzig: Why is it that Adrian Mutu never has the correct name? It was the same in Euro2008. Is it coz he is a druggie?
If Fiorentina was AI controlled, which i think it was, that was the best AI ive seen so far on all the videos shown. Not perfect by a long way but at least they 1)make mistakes, and 2) can be tackled, unlike on Euro2008 when even San Marino play like Brazil. There was a situation where the human controlling the Milan player had a chance to hit a volley, just inside the area and for some reason he passed it straight to a defender. Moron! When the ball sits nice for you like that, which is rare, you have to go for it. I scored a belter on Euro the other day. Outside of the area, just inside from the sideline, i chested the ball down past the defende and on the bounce hit a volley which swerved over the keeper and nestled in the top left corner. Cue the dancing round the living room. Wish i could show you proof but i was playing online and of course EA DONT LET YOU SAVE TO THE HDD, AAAGGGGHHH!!!! What a goal though! God i need Fifa09. Have 4 days off work from Thursday so will be able to get some good Fifa time in plus i booked the 3rd of October off work to play this bad boy.

[JayD]

If they would have worked on that Football Kingdom game then I reckon they would have had a PES and FIFA beater - some of the passes and goals look very realistic and the nets look real.

It's a shame there hasn't been and there won't be a sequel to it :((.

So true, Football Kingdom was the 1st game where you could play long ball football effectivly

[BillyBoy]

Football Kingdom was great. Some of its features such as 360 degree motion contro and net physics are still to be fully acheived with either football game this generation.

[WILDSTER180774]

that amir khan Vs Prescott fight will be like Pro 2009 Vs Fifa come Thursday if the 2 demos are released

[RoNaLdO_9]

the crossing and heading in that game is excellent some great goals in there , shame the build up play seemed too fast

[LOGANiSE]

In that last video in san siro did anyone notice that in the starting scenes cambiaso was the ref checking the nets
weird http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6489/cambiassorefvl3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Didn't you know that Cambiasso is a ref during his free time?

LOL! :LOL:

Cambiasso is bald.

[Blaccat]

Just had to make one quick b4 the 09 demo is out

with a lil trip down memory lane

Hope u enjoy, let me know what u think

YouTube - FIFA08: LAST GOAL COMPILATION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4pRh2spHsc&fmt=6)

[s33k3rgr]

very nice goals

[evacuate]

It's funny how the gameplay looks much better in your FIFA 07 clips. Everything is so sluggish in 08 and with weak and slo-mo shots. I never played FIFA 07 but the shots looks way better in that even if I suspect they might be a little more scripted.

It's such a huge different between FIFA 08 and 09 judging by the videos. Can't wait to try it out.

[sweetkilla]

evacuate fifa 07 on the 360 everything was worse! other than cut scenes were far better in that game

I know you were talking about the ps2 version but still the ps2 engine was 20x worse

[WILDSTER180774]

nice video of the goals. how did you get the clips if you cant save them to HDD?

[TikTikTikTikTik]

@ Tim,

D-pad lets me have a sharpness of turning and movement that I find lacking with analog. Sure analog gives greater overal freedom of movement and is great for longballs, but player movement and reaction is just slower for me. I had it with PES aswell, so its not a question of reaction times imo, its just what feels more instinctive.

[Blaccat]

nice video of the goals. how did you get the clips if you cant save them to HDD?

Normally i capture the goals with my video card, but i dnt have the time for all that editing right now, so i just upload them to EAsportsworld and download them, Then convert it.

[Blaccat]

@ Tim,

D-pad lets me have a sharpness of turning and movement that I find lacking with analog. Sure analog gives greater overal freedom of movement and is great for longballs, but player movement and reaction is just slower for me. I had it with PES aswell, so its not a question of reaction times imo, its just what feels more instinctive.

NO NO, the D-pad lets u score those crazy goal on the fifa07 part of my video :LOL:

Gameover in 09, goals galore

[WILDSTER180774]

is there confirmation of what time playstation network updates. Want to get demo asap before the whole system crashes. I would appreciate if everybody here waits til i have downloaded it as not to overload the network. I will let you all know when it is free.....thank you! :)

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Sure, np Wildster. I'll be at work anyway :(

@ Blaccat; you mean the dribble one?

Never been a dribblemeister, play a passing game. ;)

[Scorpio]

I hope they have made the manager mode like the psp version of Fifa 08. Just little changes that make the transfers, and therefore the game, so much better.

[Blaccat]

is there confirmation of what time playstation network updates. Want to get demo asap before the whole system crashes. I would appreciate if everybody here waits til i have downloaded it as not to overload the network. I will let you all know when it is free.....thank you! :)
PSN store updates at 9am or 4pm UK time

[Blaccat]

Sure, np Wildster. I'll be at work anyway :(

@ Blaccat; you mean the dribble one?

Never been a dribblemeister, play a passing game. ;)
I play passing game to but curling the ball is way easier with the d-pad

look at the first goal by anderson on the fifa07 part and the last rooney goal

[WILDSTER180774]

can anyone suggest a headset for the ps3?

[BillyBoy]

If you willing to wait until end of October/early November then you can get the official Sony PS3 bluetooth headset which will be the best one out.

[WILDSTER180774]

If you willing to wait until end of October/early November then you can get the official Sony PS3 bluetooth headset which will be the best one out.

yeah that sounds cool, cheers! you would have thought sony would have released one by now though.

[Blaccat]

can anyone suggest a headset for the ps3?
I suggest u wait for the official PS3 bluetooth headset out next month

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2825606372_0d871ee08c.jpg

* The headset will feature “High-Quality (HQ) mode” with PS3. In this mode, the headset will take advantage of advanced voice technologies and noise cancellation techniques to provide clear and wideband voice input to the PS3. The HQ mode will ensure a much better voice chat quality on the PS3.
* HQ mode will also enable accurate speech recognition required to support or enhance ‘Voice Command’ and ‘Voice Animation’ features. Voice Command was originally used in SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs for PS2 to administer the AI-controlled teammates using the WHO, WHAT, and WHERE format (example: Bravo, Attack, Nav Point Zulu). Voice Animation refers to the in-game character mimicking you during voice chat. With HQ mode, these features can be enabled on a much larger vocabulary in select PS3 games.
* PS3 will display an in-game status indicator exclusively for this headset that will show the headset’s connection status, battery charge level, speaker volume level and microphone mute status.

http://www.tsurugi.co.uk/misc/ps3/hardware/bluetoothheadset/systemdisplay.png

* Tired of wearing the headset during a long multiplayer gaming session or is your headset battery running out of charge? Just dock the headset in the supplied charging cradle, and the headset will work as a desktop microphone while charging.
* Last but not least, the headset will automatically pair with the PS3 by connecting with a USB cable.

also

* Background noise cancelling using two microphones
* Acts as directional microphone when placed on charging stand
* Pairs with cellphones

[Chris Davies]

Yep, that's what I'll be getting.

Don't know what I'm going to do with the old one though, I only got it to use on the PS3. :eh: