PES 2008 (Xbox 360) - Official Topic

[NickSCFC]

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9554/pes2008boxss4.png

Yes, PES 2008 is coming to Xbox 360, yes, it won't be as crap as last year's rushed version.

Discuss Xbox Live superiority and dodgy d-pads here!

[Slobber]

Looks shit. Dpad movement again? Fuck you Konami. My boycott will continue. Try introducing some analog gameplay, and we'll see about me buying a PES game again.

[NickSCFC]

Konami said in their press release that dribbling has been redone and it's alot closer, someone else mentioned 16 way movement over 8 way movement, which could be classed as analogue.

[Slobber]

We'll see about the movement, but all of the previous versions had movement which was very clumcy, and couldn't let you make the exact movements you wanted to make.

I think if they were changing it, they'd have made more of a big deal out of it.

[jimis]

The problem is the 360pad needs an other programming, they can not port the PS2 style on the 360pad! It must be optimized for the 360! But i dont think konami will do this, first focus will be the playstation 3 for sure!!! Konami=slaves of Sony!!!

[cowden_harley]

have you seen the screenshots? not much changed graphically by the early looks of it. Ill judge again when new media comes out but I aint holding out much hope.

[NickSCFC]

From what I've heard the main changes have been to AI, control and animation. None of this can be shown in screenshots, Konami should've released a video instead.

[Slobber]

Let's be honest, they claim to be redoing the control every year, yet they still give us the same 8 directional crap.

I actually think the graphics are quite nice, much better than last year's for sure.

[NickSCFC]

Like I said in another thread it's 8 directions for a reason, sharp turningjust wouldn't work using analogue dribbling.

[DiscoStu1985]

To be honest wanted completly new graphics as i think these look shit compared to fifa. If Pes 8 doesnt have 30+ stadiums, massive edit mode, save replays, xbox live co-op then i defo won't buy this game because ive bought pes 1-6 and from 6 konami are going backwards!
Hopefully these are all in and we can all start playing PES again.

p.s if Adriano is unplayable again i won't buy this game either!

[Slobber]

Like I said in another thread it's 8 directions for a reason, sharp turningjust wouldn't work using analogue dribbling.

Come on man, what is this based on? It worked just fine in the ISS games on the N64.

[Trance_Allstar]

Come on man, what is this based on? It worked just fine in the ISS games on the N64.

Indeed.

Like I said in another thread it's 8 directions for a reason, sharp turningjust wouldn't work using analogue dribbling.

Well, with analog movement, your player will turn as sharply as you hold the analog stick. The only thing that changes is the finer control you have (so that you don't need to turn in 45-degree steps every time, you can for example aim a run exactly in between two opponents and slip past them, whilst in earlier PES you either moved in the same direction or turned 45 degrees.

Konami said in their press release that dribbling has been redone and it's alot closer, someone else mentioned 16 way movement over 8 way movement, which could be classed as analogue.


Guilty as charged.

My source was from here: http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=49822

[NickSCFC]

Come on man, what is this based on? It worked just fine in the ISS games on the N64.

That game was awful, half the time you were doing slidy spins on the spot while the animation stayed still.

[sva91]

The screens are sweet. The player models and how well the uniforms fit on the models look perfect. I promise you in motion this game will look better than FIFA. The player models look spot on, and the framerate is much smoother. Now I just hope they get some more big time licenses.

[J79]

ok so now we know that there's gonna be an edit mode, hence there will be option files knocking around.

when i applied an option file to PES5 on my xbox i used a max drive thingy, what the equivelant for the 360? is there some sort of transfer device released yet?

[Slobber]

That game was awful, half the time you were doing slidy spins on the spot while the animation stayed still.


Lol, man, what nonsense. Even if that was the case, it was the game's fault, not the controllers. I've played shit loads of games with full analog control, and they never suffered from unresponsivness.

Let's be honest here, your comment was based on nothing.

[NickSCFC]

Lol, man, what nonsense. Even if that was the case, it was the game's fault, not the controllers.

Let's be honest here, your comment was based on nothing.

I just said the game was shit, did you completely misread my reply? I said that game was shit, can't you read?

[antred]

Those screens are old shots according to the spokesperson at konami, they will look polished for final release.

Also there will be extensive edit re introduced as well as many other refinements. Watch this space.

[NickSCFC]

Konami always release screens this time of year and the game always comes out looking the same.

The only difference you'll see in the final version is licenced boots and maybe some more ore licenced kits.

[fatlip180]

too true. Well said NickSCFC.

The sooner the fanboys realize they are about to be shafted again the better.

Remember konamis comment about the next gen graphics? This will come back to haunt them. They clearly have no clue what next gen graphics are, the screenies are average at best.

What exactly was the point in releasing them? Just to say, 'its a beta, just wait until you see it move.' Why not just release a video if they wanted to impress people.

And lets not forget that EVERY year they say how the AI has improved. Yet this year they give it a fancy name and the fanboys go wild. Jeez - this is a ploy FIFA and EA have been using for years, and we know how they all turn out.

IMO Pes fans are tooooo loyal to seabass and his team. Konami and co really dont deserve you.

All this talk that the finall release will continue and continue, even when the game appears on the download sites, fanboys will still claim its the beta version.. Just like with pes6.

[Chris Davies]

What exactly was the point in releasing them? Just to say, 'its a beta, just wait until you see it move.'
Exactly.

Why would you rush out screenshots that look nothing like the final game? I'm sorry but not even Konami's PR guys are that stupid.

You don't release screenshots that look almost exactly the same as the current game's screenshots unless they're close enough to the final product (I'm talking minus an official pair of boots here and an Adidas ball there). As a company you want everyone to buy your game - the graphics whores, the gameplay lovers, the cheats, everyone. So you wouldn't rush out the release of screenshots that put the graphics guys off your game totally, just to please the impatient people who are desperate for information (who Konami won't give a toss about anyway).

[gameklip]

this better look awesome in motion.

[gragra]

Come on man, what is this based on? It worked just fine in the ISS games on the N64.

I have to agree here, the old ISS N64 games (and the overlooked but solid ISS2000 on PS2) worked well using a swivel system. It did alter the pace of the game somewhat but it did allow more accuracy in some areas.

[djdoc]

I liked the array of movement on ISS 2000... shame the players squatted and sometimes danced around stupidly :) lol

[AgentSmithMatrix]

Can't wait for more info that we'll be receiving on the 5th of July! I've gone back to playing PES3 on the PC for the time being because I hate PES6 and 5 doesn't play that good on the 360.

I hope the game is larger in size. Wish they'd go back to how it was in PES3 when it comes to setting your tactics on formation settings. I wish they allow us to be more extensive as well! Defending has to be improved too. Silly how centre-backs move side ways and allow you to run straight through. Getting a tackle in should be easier too. Goalkeepers need improving. Shots shouldn't be flying in when thyy go just past them.

Yeah, I'm ranting a bit. I'm a fan that's always euphoric about the release of PES games and, yeah, PES5 was OK, but not better than 3 in my opinion and all the ones released after that have been disappointing. Hence why.

[jonneymendoza]

the graphics still look poor. im gunna pass on the 360 version and just buy the pc one

[NickSCFC]

the graphics still look poor. im gunna pass on the 360 version and just buy the pc one
The PC version that looks exactly the same but with the Xbox Live.

[jonneymendoza]

at least u can edit kits and stuff

[J79]

ok so now we know that there's gonna be an edit mode, hence there will be option files knocking around.

when i applied an option file to PES5 on my xbox i used a max drive thingy, what the equivelant for the 360? is there some sort of transfer device released yet?

sorry to quote myself but maybe my question was overlooked,
anyone have an answer? done a little bit of research and there's a data transfer thing from xsata i think. is there anything else? does max drive have a 360 version yet?

[Slobber]

I just said the game was shit, did you completely misread my reply? I said that game was shit, can't you read?

When you consider what the discussion was about, it looked as if you were implying the reason the players swivilled was because of analog movement.

Calm down, man.

[NickSCFC]

Hey you started it ;)

I never said analogue was crap for football games, I was just saying it felt crap in ISS 98 on N64 compared to ISS Pro 98 on PS which had 8 way.

[Dr Force]

Looks shit. Dpad movement again? Fuck you Konami. My boycott will continue. Try introducing some analog gameplay, and we'll see about me buying a PES game again.

A bit strong Slobber but i for one understand and agree with your frustration.

PES6 was so poor on the 360 it made my eyes water:( Those screens are OK but still not next gen and after last years marketing silence and eventual release of half a game at full price, they have some serious catching up to do.

The power is there for all developers, its the dev team that make a great game and I am not convinced that Konami have got to grips with it looking at those screens.

I played FIFA for 07 and loved it but it still does not match the overall gameplay of PES, however i feel that this term FIFA is looking very threatening and to be honest if Konami do not get it right this term then they will lose even more of the fan base.

Analogue controls, full editing facilities,far superior graphics and animation than PES6, more stadiums, better atmosphere, better shooting,commentators,improved pitches the list goes on and I do not think they have the next gen mentality to get all those sorted.

If its not drastically improved with most if not all the above then I know where my money is this year Konami.:shock:

[Seraphs21]

ISS2000 as in Internation Superstar Soccer, then they later released International Superstar Sccer 2 and 3, is number one the 2000 edition correct?

If so, lool creased up here, 16 way movement in that was good :S I still have it, I like it notfor that tho, doesnt make A DIFFERENCE tbh, just gets u to the angle u wanna go slower :S

Best thing in that, is u can use the right analog stick to control another player to get them to run where you want, and the shooting and curl, and finally the fact you could fully control the keepers!

[Slobber]

doesnt make A DIFFERENCE tbh, just gets u to the angle u wanna go slower :S

Problem is, dpad movement doesn't get you to the angle you want at all a lot of the time. There are loads of times I only want to make small movements yet can't because of the restrictive dpad. Dribbling through 2 players with the dpad is a nightmarish ordeal at the moment.

I don't know how you can claim it only gets you to the angle you want slower either. You would just turn instantly at the direction the stick is pointed at just like you would with the dpad, except in any direction you want.

[NickSCFC]

Like I said the whole 8 way vs analogue thing's been done to death, so moving on...

Xbox Live, I thought this was pretty limited in PES 06, wasn't so much the lag, just the lack of features compared to FIFA 07. With PES it's like you sign-in, set up a game, wait for a challenger, play a game, move on...

with FIFA it's like you're in a central network, the FIFA home, I really liked the club challenge and the Talk Sport updates, looking forwards to more of that, maybe even goal highlights in video.

[Seraphs21]

LOL Slobber mate, to be real fair, you musnt be too good at the game then, I can easily dribble between two players, three players, somtimes 2 doubles in a row, its simple, turn when needed.

16 directions is just pointless, the degrees would be a difference of 22.5 degrees, hardly noticeable, and in real football its similar directions to pes now, lol they could run vertical but 10 degrees to the left or right, but wudnt make much a difference, not really need, guess it would be alright, but then that would cancel out d pad players from the game, or summing, and im a dpad player I wudnt like it personally lol, guess thats why im moaning :( lol!

I have a 360 and PS3 and a PS2 ill be getting those three so dont really care, us dpad for all tho!

Graphics I actually like em, they look realistic, not over done and not too simple, peeps who think its cartoony, surely havent watched a cartoon, probs due to old age sorry guys guess thats most of you lol :( well anyway, cartoony would be really colourful, which I thought PES6 360 was, this looks more duller and lifelike, its early build, I have faith, atleast one of them will be awesome, like PES6 I loved the PS2 version above all other footy games, Fifa07 on 360, may graphically be better, but played sooo much better, edit better, and it was better than the 360 version, hopefully its all good, just have to see it in motion, I reckon it will look absolute class tho, well i hope haha

[Pahars]

ok so now we know that there's gonna be an edit mode, hence there will be option files knocking around.

when i applied an option file to PES5 on my xbox i used a max drive thingy, what the equivelant for the 360? is there some sort of transfer device released yet?

I have done some research on this.

It seems very unlikely that we will have the 'tools' we have used in the past because of the games being so well encrypted.

Unless the likes of 'X-Port' come up with some device to read the discs we will have to hope that the in game editors will meet our expectations.

The 'Xsata' device is good but you still can't alter the file content that it sees.

Here's hoping!!!

[basti29]

I'm with slobber on the analogue vs. d-pad movement discussion.
It doesn't look very lifelike with Players turning in 45° and 90°.
Long passing is also a lot better with analogue.

[sab1978]

the dpad is the best way 2 play it the analogue is shit it makes crap players look ok i need 2 hav my playstation dpad bk it gives u the best control NO COMP

[Seraphs21]

I always actually wanted the goal keeper controls to be better tbh, if anyone has played Internation Superstar Soccer, you should know you can change keeper to manual, so you can change into the keeper yourself, and make the saves, also be even better for fix player as the keeper much more fun and, more like simulation, as the keeper is a player that should be looked at being controllable too in that aspect, as now when you are fix keeper, you jut position him, and then dont really have to press a button to dive or what not. Maybe make it different buttons different dives maybe, fake dives etc, be good for pk's too.

I hope the editor is reallly good too, well normally is, but you know, for the next gen pes, cause 360 one didnt have one lol :( Ouch!

[J79]

I have done some research on this.

It seems very unlikely that we will have the 'tools' we have used in the past because of the games being so well encrypted.

Unless the likes of 'X-Port' come up with some device to read the discs we will have to hope that the in game editors will meet our expectations.

The 'Xsata' device is good but you still can't alter the file content that it sees.

Here's hoping!!!


cheers for the reply pal, i'm still a little confused though,

are you saying that the xsata thing doesn't do the same job as what the max drive did on the original xbox? when i uploaded the option file via max drive i was amazed to see that even the licensed kits had been updated for the new season

i didn't think this was possible via the normal edit option but someone obviously found a way.

will this not be possible with the xsata thing?

i know all this is currently hypothetical cos the game isn't out yet but i'm just trying to get my head around what i'll need

cheers for any help

[kouroux]

[QUOTE=basti29;1024206]Long passing is also a lot better with analogue.[QUOTE]
I think that is key ,long balls is a nightmare right now because you cannot get the right direction for the flight of the ball.Konami needs to be make long balls a lot more stronger than in PES6,you can hardly clear the ball with the goalkeeper or make huge passes like Beckham and Gerrard often do.
That's why 360 direction is key ,so i'd leave the D-Pad for tactics and the rest of buttons for tricks or whatever

[AgentSmithMatrix]

Anyone seen this?

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/e32007/remotecontrol.htm

I'm sending them a message. The more we send them messages asking them to get information from Konami on the next Pro Evolution Soccer game, the likelier they will, you would think.

Here's what I wrote:

Can you get as much news as you can about Konami's next Pro Evolution game? They have a habit of being tight-lipped. They don't reveal much at all until near its release date. Everyone agrees that last years PES was poor. It lacked effort.

Thanks.

Not very professional. I don't care.

[steveee]

I just read this thread and I although I am a dpad user with this game on the PS2 I thought I read that PES this year will finally be analog movement control and force people to finally use the analog sticks for best control and play.

[asm4win]

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/171245866020070629023107.jpg

[NickSCFC]

They're PS3 screens so post them here...

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41694

Nice to see they've made training mode more authentic, I might miss the rainbow circles though ;)

[djdoc]

^ I reckon it will look the same on 360 so I spose no harm in having them PS3 shots here :) allthough PS3 fanboys are saying the 360 grass isnt green enough and doesnt contain enough detail..

[wozbacca]

the ball physics in iss64 were the best in any footy game on any console....

you could put backspin on long 'beckham-esque' balls, you could also curl shots and crosses using after touch.

why o why have konami stopped this. its completely unrealistic

[djdoc]

thats the way it is, for every good thing added something seriously good gets dropped....

[NickSCFC]

After-touch is evil, it's the very opposite to realism!

[djdoc]

There should be some way to change the way your player makes contact with the ball though. I agree aftertouch is SOOOOOO arcade gameplay!

[Chris Davies]

After-touch is bad, but curving the ball isn't. I say if you hold down a direction on the right-analog before your player hits the ball (as there's a gap where he pulls his leg back to take the shot), then that should alter where the player's foot makes contact with the ball. Because it's using an analog stick rather than a left/right button, you could even hit the top-side or under-side of the ball to hit a daisy-cutter or add some dip.

[man_overb0ard]

Do you guys know if PES2008 will look better in PS3?

In my opinion it will be the same as XBOX360...

[greenmachine]

for all the info on the upcoming game go to ..
http://www.winningeleven11.blogspot.com/

pieces on the game and podcasts too, site has official backing of Konami and they get info from them ...

[djdoc]

Do you guys know if PES2008 will look better in PS3?

In my opinion it will be the same as XBOX360...
The PSM3 screenshots pretty much confirm it will be exactly the same game.

[UkHardcore23]

The PSM3 screenshots pretty much confirm it will be exactly the same game.

Yeah hopefully that will shut up the ps3 fanboy's with thier "it's going to be 3 times better on the PS3" Dam am i sick of that comment already!!

[hitmanuk]

dont know what these ps3 fan boys are on about three times better take a look at the story on xbox-scene regarding EAs up and comming titles all of which are double the framerate om the 360. 360 running at a smooth 60fps the ps3 running at 30 fps. Oh well time will tell I guess

[snksan]

2 new screens from the ps3 version

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/195572227420070704142722.jpg

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/36449265720070704142722.jpg

oops, already posted in the PS3 topic... sorry

[Dr Force]

Nice screens,love the nets in the first one.

I reckon this is gonna be the best yet:applause:

[NickSCFC]

PES gets better each year, but people were expecting a bigger jump now that FIFA is catching up.

[cowden_harley]

Oh i actually had a glimmer of excitement at these new things. Hope it plays well, its just creeped back into my radar.

And the nets looks fantastic! Happy Days

[djdoc]

I for one am glad the FIFA this year looks like it could be a serious challenger to PES. It means seabass and co can no longer rest on their Laurels and crank out the same game each year...

[NickSCFC]

They didn't crank out the same game with PES6...



because I can't remember ever skying the ball from 6 inches to the goal-line in PES5 ;)

[Dr Force]

Lol thats a cracker:applause: The shooting was the worst in any footy game for PES6:roll: Sensi was far superior and that was done over 10 years ago:shock:

The 3 yard blast over with a feather touch to the shoot button from 4 yards out was pathetic:lol:

[shieldslfc]

for all the info on the upcoming game go to ..
http://www.winningeleven11.blogspot.com/

pieces on the game and podcasts too, site has official backing of Konami and they get info from them ...

Yes! it says on the above site it will have official LFC kit, cant wait now!

[shieldslfc]

Just been watching X league TV featuring Fifa07, Jesus, I dont know how people can play that game. I had it myself and got rid after a month. I had high hopes for Fifa08, but after seeing a reminder of Fifa07, there is know way they are going to fix all the faults, because the basic core engine is still crap. I'm talking about when a player has a shot, the ball starts off normal speed, then next thing within a split second its in the goalies arms or in the back of the net, simply because the screen cant keep up with long range shots, and the ball frame rate is embaressing. Then theres the collison detection, if you get nudged off the ball, suddenly you are no-where near the ball and the oposing player is 5 yards away out of reach, and lastly because of the poor animation and frame rate if you turn on the ball and atempt a quick pass the player stretches and almost stamps on the ball, but still performs a powerfull long range pass, I just cant see how anyone can enjoy it, totally un-realistic footy. Dont get me wrong PES6 was crap, an absolute rush job, I dont care how much Microsoft payed to get Konami to get it out early, it wasnt worth it in the long run as it did a lot of damage, but still its better than Fifa07.

I think looking at how PES7 is shaping up, the gap will widen again, its looking like the game we expected the first time round, its going to be class, and I dont think somehow I will be tempted to buy Fifa08 this time. Cant wait.

[julien]

looks nice on the new shots. the goal nets look super-realistic. new animations thats good. big fan! big fan!

[NickSCFC]

Yeah, from what I've heard about J League WE 2008, Konami have redone atleast half on the animations making the game look 50% more like a real football match compared to PES6!

[Lyvean]

Just been watching X league TV featuring Fifa07, Jesus, I dont know how people can play that game. I had it myself and got rid after a month. I had high hopes for Fifa08, but after seeing a reminder of Fifa07, there is know way they are going to fix all the faults, because the basic core engine is still crap. I'm talking about when a player has a shot, the ball starts off normal speed, then next thing within a split second its in the goalies arms or in the back of the net, simply because the screen cant keep up with long range shots, and the ball frame rate is embaressing. Then theres the collison detection, if you get nudged off the ball, suddenly you are no-where near the ball and the oposing player is 5 yards away out of reach, and lastly because of the poor animation and frame rate if you turn on the ball and atempt a quick pass the player stretches and almost stamps on the ball, but still performs a powerfull long range pass, I just cant see how anyone can enjoy it, totally un-realistic footy. Dont get me wrong PES6 was crap, an absolute rush job, I dont care how much Microsoft payed to get Konami to get it out early, it wasnt worth it in the long run as it did a lot of damage, but still its better than Fifa07.

I think looking at how PES7 is shaping up, the gap will widen again, its looking like the game we expected the first time round, its going to be class, and I dont think somehow I will be tempted to buy Fifa08 this time. Cant wait.

Really? What has Seabass shown that makes you think that? Where is full analogue control? Proper Physics? Realistic shooting? And many, many other stuff that has made the series ridiculous so many years?

[NickSCFC]

All in good time Tubbs.

From what I've read over the past month here.

PES 2008 shooting is better

PES 2008 ball is heavier (physics)

PES 2008 collistion detection is more accurate.

Konami can give a list of improvements, but the biggest improvements every year are the indescribable ones that you can only notice for yourself.

[danhammer]

i for one can't wait for the editor, it has already been mentioned that you can edit pretty much anything

[Lami]

This thread is looking much better than the other one. More peace in here.

[kobashi]

can someone please tell me or direct me to a place with info on what I need when it comes to downloading option files for the 360. PES2008 will be the first PES/WE game i ever played on the 360 so have no clue at all.

[Chris Davies]

You need an XSATA (http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/718/718315p1.html), although I wouldn't order it just yet. As the review says:

"...games that are tied to a specific 360 will not transfer via the XSATA either"

In other words, if Konami choose to lock the option file saves (and they have been known to do utterly stupid things in the past), it will be impossible. In which case, limber up your fingers and set aside a few months for editing, or start saving for a PS3.

[kobashi]

You need an XSATA (http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/718/718315p1.html), although I wouldn't order it just yet. As the review says:

"...games that are tied to a specific 360 will not transfer via the XSATA either"

In other words, if Konami choose to lock the option file saves (and they have been known to do utterly stupid things in the past), it will be impossible. In which case, limber up your fingers and set aside a few months for editing, or start saving for a PS3.

cheers Jack. Looks like I will be setting aside a few months. :)

[danhammer]

i don't mind editing, i kind of miss it!

[kouroux]

You need an XSATA (http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/718/718315p1.html), although I wouldn't order it just yet. As the review says:

"...games that are tied to a specific 360 will not transfer via the XSATA either"
In other words, if Konami choose to lock the option file saves (and they have been known to do utterly stupid things in the past), it will be impossible. In which case, limber up your fingers and set aside a few months for editing, or start saving for a PS3.

I don't really understand this, can you please elaborate?
If the XSATA doesn't work with the OF then I'm in big trouble .

[kobashi]

i don't mind editing, i kind of miss it!

I don't mind doing the names and transfers but when it comes to kits and players I havent got a clue.

[danhammer]

me neither mate, but i'll give it a go lol

[Riot]

I've got the game. Screen captures of the 360 version coming soon.
Presentation is ALL new, ugly, but at least its all new. TONS of music tracks now playing, all kinds of genres. VERY up to date rosters for PES and this is not the final version by any means.

[djdoc]

"...games that are tied to a specific 360 will not transfer via the XSATA either"

I don't really understand this, can you please elaborate?
If the XSATA doesn't work with the OF then I'm in big trouble .
This means that if someone makes an OF on their Xbox 360, then transfers it via XSata to 2nd 360 then it WONT work on the 2nd 360. This was originally the problem with Xbox 1 game saves and was eventually cracked.

[djdoc]

I've got the game. Screen captures of the 360 version coming soon.
Presentation is ALL new, ugly, but at least its all new. TONS of music tracks now playing, all kinds of genres. VERY up to date rosters for PES and this is not the final version by any means.
Nice 1 Riot we will all be most grateful for what ever info you can give us.

[Riot]

PS2 build has an incredible framerate!!! Fucking smooth. I was scared that going from the 360 build to PS2 would be horrible because of the framerate, but its smoother than the 360 currently (these are PREVIEW builds keep that in mind). There's FINALLY a cool community feature on the PS2, where you and your buddies can create profiles and then when you play using these profiles all your stats like wings, goals, sucessful pass ratio are saved...absolutely awesome, I so wanted them to have this kind of feature that would maintain one's stats.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Tnx Riot, any chance of checking the ML on the 360 version? I know there are hunderds of people on here dying to find out whats been done to it.

[Riot]

Xbox 360 version screen captures here (http://pelaajalehti.com/2007/08/02/pro-evolution-soccer-2008-xbox-360-playstation-3/).

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Tnx Riot, the player faces look really good.

[twoodster]

Riot - could you take some pictures of the Tottenham team? Would be interesting to see the kit and stuff - especially if its licensed!

[tekkan]

wow man...how did u get the 360 version?

[tekkan]

could u make video??
plzz..?

could u send me copy of the disk if u have it...lol

[Riot]

Apparently no screens can be taken of the preview version so I took the news down. Sorry, got excited there and no one officially told us there would be a problem taking screens so I posted some, but I opted to take them down now...I'll post more hands on impressions once we know what the situation is.

[tekkan]

thnx....u might aswell post some vids and take 'em down later?

[freddyboy]

I saw the shots before Riot got his wrist slapped, and they looked great - much more like the sony versions which is good IMHO.

The other thing to note was a 'save replay' button on the pause menu - another good thing.

thnx as always Riot, keep the info coming.

[tekkan]

im sure u could always save replays?

[twoodster]

Did Konami ask you to take them down Riot? I imagine you're fine to post them if you didn't sign an NDA.

[djdoc]

Damn missed it. Riot can you post again? or are you under oath?

[NickSCFC]

Can't wait to hear some impressions on game play, is there a review of the BETA coming up from u RIOT?

[danhammer]

ahhh man i missed the pics

[jsgoose]

check winning eleven blog spot.

[NickSCFC]

I've got the game. Screen captures of the 360 version coming soon.

I think Riot's hooked, he's not coming back :(

[danhammer]

i predict a riot!

[nickgarratt]

So the new teams licenced are Spurs and Newcastle (Owen is on the cover so that isnt a surprise!) I'm a gooner so spurs being in it is annoying but Arsenal have been in it the last two so i can't complain!

The new screenshots everyone is going on about are looking quite good and they seem to have looked at the shooting with the body reacting to where the ball is when you shoot, thats what i'm reading from the screenshot anyway.

Also looks like using the xbox live camera will put your face in the game. there is a screenshot of Seabass in the game with his picture next to it, very nice.

I'm sure there is more to come...

[NickSCFC]

So no Ronaldo in Man U kit on the cover, take it they'll be wearing national kits.

[djdoc]

Yep or generic Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 advertising T Shirts :)

[Laarson]

there is still pics on xboxic,looking good.If these have been seen just delete my post.

[Lami]

Riot can you atleast tell us about all the modes and changes if any? No need for pics at the moment if you can't.

[sonicboom]

Im actually shitting myself at the mo, i just bought 360 and realised that there's virtually no way of editing my fav game. Option file editing has always been crummy and oh goodness no man utd kit nooooooo

[gameklip]

there's editingin the 360 version.

[sonicboom]

ah not edit mode editing thats crummy too, for kits and stuff

[djdoc]

^ what the hell? there is an edit mode in PES2008 for 360.

[NickSCFC]

Where have you been the past 3 months?

[djdoc]

Is that aimed at me or Sonicboom?

[danhammer]

at sonicboom mate

[NickSCFC]

^ what the hell? there is an edit mode in PES2008 for 360.

Where have you been the past 3 months?

[djdoc]

Nick what is that supposed to mean?

[NickSCFC]

Seems like you didn't know there was an edit mode in PES2008 360.

[NickSCFC]

VIDEO!

SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lE8fjvj7F8

HD
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EDVVOUT9

[Ricobah]

Dutch gamingsite Insidegamer have played both the PS2 and the Xbox 360 betas. Their conclusion of the Xbox 360 game: some gameplay improvements, graphics are better, but still less options than the PS2 version

[DiscoStu1985]

Can you save your replays on pes 2008??

Can you play Multiplayer Co-op on xbox live??

anyone know yet or still guessing like me?

[danielrh]

How about Multiplayer masterleague I would love to take on fellow gamers in a league where you buy players and try to win the title going up against other gamers offline or online.

[djdoc]

Seems like you didn't know there was an edit mode in PES2008 360.I knew full well there was, I saw the glut of screenshots which showed it. I commented on them in the WE/PES next gen thread.

[Chris Davies]

Dutch gamingsite Insidegamer have played both the PS2 and the Xbox 360 betas. Their conclusion of the Xbox 360 game: some gameplay improvements, graphics are better, but still less options than the PS2 version
Really? :(

[djdoc]

I doubt that. Why once again will the 360 version have less options? if so Konami are seriously taking the piss.

[Lami]

And why would Konami be taking the piss? GTA4 on the 360 will have more features/options than the PS3 version. Why? Because money talks my friend. It's all down to business.

[kouroux]

Does anyone know if transfering option files from the internet to the hdd (with XSATA) will be possible or not ?

[djdoc]

And why would Konami be taking the piss? GTA4 on the 360 will have more features/options than the PS3 version. Why? Because money talks my friend. It's all down to business.
The GTA IV thing is a bad example. MS have bought exclusive episodic content so of course it will have more. Konami release a half baked PES last year and expected us to pay full price for it and it was minus lots of stuff. If they cheat us 360 players out of it all the features the PS3 version has I dont think ill bother buying PES. Im hoping other 360 players will do likewise.

[danhammer]

they fuckin better release the same game as the ps3 version or else

[juveboy]

they fuckin better release the same game as the ps3 version or else

October can't come any quicker :roll:

[lionel_messias]

I doubt that. Why once again will the 360 version have less options? if so Konami are seriously taking the piss.

You might think that but Konami have few 360 owners to sell to in Japan, a lot in the UK, not so many in mainland Europe, and USA is not so big a factor (for "Soccer"). The Sony consoles, with a massive base in Japan (mostly PS2's obviously)- and close ties between Konami and Sony - were always going to get more features, even if the graphics were similar.

The 360 version should be a big improvement over last year's crap though!

[djdoc]

I still think this is BS, there are plenty of 360 owners out there, why give them less and make them not buy it? doesnt make sense at all. I hate all this pro PS3 and we hate Xbox bullshit.

[Cammey]

DJ its all fanboy bollocks.

The Fanboys on here will be very quiet come October.

If anything it will run better on the 360.

[TikTikTikTikTik]

If anything they should be making the 360 version better, after all there are more 360's out then ps3's which is why quite a few ps3 exclusives have gone multi platform. Just because they need to, to earn any money on the game.

We'll have to wait and see though, the only element i can see which would come into it is the standard hdd for the ps3 and the non standard hdd for the 360. If nokami are smart they solve that by making it possible to just save as many edit files as is possible on the memory units availeble space, instead of making a fixed amount of slots, which would be stupid.

[bluemonkeymagic]

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/908/908928/vids_1.html

cant believe this hasent been posted yet, erm and Im sorry but looks as shit and unrealistic as the last 360 effort

[juveboy]

Bluemonk, it was posted in one of the other threads on this forum, I have to agree with you that pes on the 360 was a poor effort however the blame I believe lies soley with M$ as they advised Konami to release a game which was half baked. With Pes08 on the horizon, i'm sure I'll still purchase it but if it plays better on the Ps3 then I don't really wanna be shelling out the readies on a new console just because of one game.

time will tell

[RockyJJP]

It will be the same for every console, PES has been the same on every console since its gone multi platform. Besides more people own xbox 360's than PS3's so making the game inferior on the console wouldn't be good business.

[lionel_messias]

Believe what you want guys.

There is no point in fan-boyism, whatsoever.

I'm sure the 360 version will be full and graphically will be very very close to the others. But don't throw your toys out the pram if there are one or two extras on the PS3, it's a fact of life that Sony are closer to Konami.

You don't want to believe that and don't believe for one second that Konami thinks they owe you anything extra, Microsoft basically paid them off to make that shite version last year, and then pissed them off by trying to mascerade it as a "One year exclusive license".

One version of PES 2008 is a port, the other isn't. Guess which one is which?

[thisempty]

Believe what you want guys.

There is no point in fan-boyism, whatsoever.

I'm sure the 360 version will be full and graphically will be very very close to the others. But don't throw your toys out the pram if there are one or two extras on the PS3, it's a fact of life that Sony are closer to Konami.

You don't want to believe that and don't believe for one second that Konami thinks they owe you anything extra, Microsoft basically paid them off to make that shite version last year, and then pissed them off by trying to mascerade it as a "One year exclusive license".

One version of PES 2008 is a port, the other isn't. Guess which one is which?


OMG, its a fact of life that sony are closer to konami... try its a fact of life that money is closer to konami. Money decides all those bollocks you're talking. Look at all the exclusives sony lost to the 360 man.
Fact is that not 1 single game that has come out for the ps3 and 360 is better on the ps3 graphically or whatever, and pes will not be diferent. Can you tell me 1 single reason why it should?

[djdoc]

Huge round of applause for this guy, he knows what he is talking about. I have tried saying this a few times but people always say the PS3 is better....

[swander]

If you had to pick a console for Konami to prioritise, the PS3 tends to have more brand recognition (if not yet a bigger market share) than the X360 in key markets for Pro Evo, namely Japan and Western Europe.

That said, there's no reason to believe either version will differ.

[Butters11]

Even if its a port I seriously doubt there will be any noticable difference between the 2.

The content will be the same whle the ps3 will have a better control for the game.

That's the only difference IMO

[djdoc]

Butters11 yes if you use D-Pad control it will be better on PS3 Granted. But other than that the games will be identical. I dont think Porting from one machine to another is that difficult these days. Other wise they wouldnt do it and would have to have 2 seperate teams to work on each version of the game.

[jonneymendoza]

Butters11 yes if you use D-Pad control it will be better on PS3 Granted. But other than that the games will be identical. I dont think Porting from one machine to another is that difficult these days. Other wise they wouldnt do it and would have to have 2 seperate teams to work on each version of the game.

your clearly wrong.porting is a nightmare for developers. compare residente vil 4 on the gamecube then the one on the pc and you get a poor mans job.

why do you think it takes soo long to release RE4 on the ps2? because they had to make it from scratch

[mikemurray]

I think you guys should start looking on the bright side...

Edit Mode
Improved Graphics
More National club Liscences
Replay Saves

...These are all much needed improvements to the last pro evo and i think altho we all agree that pes6 was a pile if crap - all of us played it online and got some enjoyment out of it.

If pes 2008 delivers all the promised additions - i for one will be happy. (also, an edit mode means i will be kept busy lol)

[ripkord]

OMG, its a fact of life that sony are closer to konami... try its a fact of life that money is closer to konami. Money decides all those bollocks you're talking. Look at all the exclusives sony lost to the 360 man.
Fact is that not 1 single game that has come out for the ps3 and 360 is better on the ps3 graphically or whatever, and pes will not be diferent. Can you tell me 1 single reason why it should?

yeah i have both consoles there aint much in it, although the ps3 has better graphics in spiderman 3 and fight night (although fight night is probably due to EA having a lot more time to code it).

Cant tell much of a difference in the tom clancy games.

Its all speculation until the game comes out. Konami are lazy bastards though so I'm not holding out much hope.

[Lami]

Maybe some people on here are fanboys but if Konami recieves more money from a specific company then they have no choice but to make it a better version. Rumors or not, if that actually happened then it's not Konami to blame. Why blame Konami for the half arsed PES6 on 360 when Microsoft clearly wanted a game no matter what? Blame microsoft or Sony for it.

[Livewire52]

theyve released sum new ML pics of PES 2008 they look well gd with the players giving interviews, they r 4 the 360 version 2

[danhammer]

on a serious note fella's, i own a 360..is the ps3 a superior console?

[ripkord]

by no means, once the ps3 gets some killer apps, who knows but if I had to lose one of them right now, Id lose the ps3. That might change, I hope it does! wouldnt really be that interesting if there was nothing to drive MS to do better!! :)

[danhammer]

thanks mate, i try to get the best i can....and i'm just hoping i don't get screwed when pes2008 gets released on the 360....perhaps i'm just taking alot of people on here to seriously when they talk about ps3 v 360

[PetrovLFC]

theyve released sum new ML pics of PES 2008 they look well gd with the players giving interviews, they r 4 the 360 version 2

linkage?

[djdoc]

at mendoza.... I dont care what you say the 360 version WILL be the same.... :)

[hitmanuk2k]

linkage?http://www.pesgaming.com/blog/pes-2008/19/new-images-of-pes-2008-master-league/

[Placebo]

Wow it all looks so riveting, who could possibly want a proper career mode with all that.......

[Chris Davies]

In fairness they'd be great additions, but should only have been added after everything else is sorted.

You see these shots and then behind them it says "P" instead of "£", "conditions for GAME OVER" etc. and you just think... What the hell are you doing Konami...

[PetrovLFC]

hmm looks interesting, but I agree with Jack, the whole 'game over' thing is ridiculous. How about just getting sacked, with the option to apply for other jobs that become available? It would be so easy to do.

Don't even get me started on Points v £'ss

[djdoc]

Peter Eyres good post! Im pissed off with "Game Over" and thats it.... having to start all over again in 2007 with another new team rather than being sacked at the end of the 2007 season and being employed by another team in 2008... the only way you should be completely out of the game is if your reputation level reaches Sub Zero :)

[barneyg42]

Peter Eyres good post! Im pissed off with "Game Over" and thats it.... having to start all over again in 2007 with another new team rather than being sacked at the end of the 2007 season and being employed by another team in 2008... the only way you should be completely out of the game is if your reputation level reaches Sub Zero :)

"GAME OVER" It's probably been said before but it turns what is supposed to be a football simulation into an arcade game. Something along the lines of Football Manager would be great, obviously without the depth. This is where EA score for me, not that I would go over to the dark side!

[reo hustler]

on a serious note fella's, i own a 360..is the ps3 a superior console?

It has better specs but it's harder to code for. Programmers are still scratching there heads on how to program games for the PS3.

A good example is how Madden for the X-Box 360 is 60 FPS while it's 30 FPS for the PS3.

[hitmanuk]

and for grand theft auto 4. The developers have quoted if you want the full experience then you will need the xbox

[Dead Man]

and for grand theft auto 4. The developers have quoted if you want the full experience then you will need the xbox

Errr......due to content thast all not how the game looked or played

Madden was poorly done. Fifa will be 60fps on both machines.

[hitmanuk]

im just quoting what the developer said if you want the best experience for GT4 then you need an xbox 360. I dont know if its framrate, visuals or whatever. If I buy a game and this is one of the very few i will buy then i want the best version.

[lionel_messias]

im just quoting what the developer said if you want the best experience for GT4 then you need an xbox 360. I dont know if its framrate, visuals or whatever. If I buy a game and this is one of the very few i will buy then i want the best version.


Hitmanuk, Microsoft paid £50 million for episodic content, that's what the guy meant.

[freddyboy]

Hitmanuk, Microsoft paid £50 million for episodic content, that's what the guy meant.

Jeez that's a lot of money. even at a £5 profit, that's 10 miilion units. If it's the console they want to sell and make £50 a pop that's still a million new 360's.....

Anyone got any news about Pro Evo?

[kellex]

I found a hands on preview but its for the ps2 verson. check the thread(playstation)I have heard we will get some info this week on the forum.

[giz_19]

theres a hands on 360 preview over at ign.com

[lionel_messias]

I found a hands on preview but its for the ps2 verson. check the thread(playstation)I have heard we will get some info this week on the forum.


The game will finally be played by a small number of people on this forum, in Germany.

Check out WENB for the latest.

[freddyboy]

theres a hands on 360 preview over at ign.com

This seems very positive.....what do we know about IGN's 'impartiality'?

being a West ham fan, booing your own team is very impotant to me so that looks fun, and the dive function could be inspired if it's done right - no more frustration at being baulked by their full back as you push the ball to the by line and try to burn past him....

[lionel_messias]

[QUOTE=freddyboy;1074716]This seems very positive.....what do we know about IGN's 'impartiality'?
QUOTE]

They are basically game journalists with no axe to grind, if the game was below par, they'd tell you.

[freddyboy]

[QUOTE=freddyboy;1074716]This seems very positive.....what do we know about IGN's 'impartiality'?
QUOTE]

They are basically game journalists with no axe to grind, if the game was below par, they'd tell you.

Thnx Lionel.

IGN and the spanish mag review in the Winning 11 next gen thread both seem very keen on the Ai and 'adapatability' of the AI...... with the edit mode, and some seemingly big advances in gameplay on 360, I'm getting quite excited......

[lionel_messias]

OK I hold my hands up in here!

The 360 version looks just as good, if not better, in the early videos and proper screenshots than the sony next gen.

-I just sold my 360

-and bought a PS3

-but I prefer the controllers

So there we go :)

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Actually IGN are pes fanboys.......

In their reviews they neglect to mention teams being removed while at the same time saying team x,y,z has now been added. Theyre arent very critical at all.

[ripkord]

Anyone know if they intend to fix the offside shenanigans.....

More specifically players running back from offside positions / players not interfering with play and still being penalised.

My other main gripe was the totally useless quick free kick.... what use is it if it resets all the CPU players in front of you again!? Quite retarded that.

Oh and the CPU fouling FOR you.... GRR :)

[CittàDiLocarno]

I buy the Xbox360 Version. You need a Reason ? XboxLIVE !

[psimonius]

Consensus from the Games Convention at Leipzig is that the 360 version is currently looking a lot better then the PS3 version. I would think the PS3 version will be polished to a more equal state by the time of release, but it's interesting that this is the case right now none the less. Yet another games development drags on the PS3! I didn't think the problematic PS3 architecture would hinder developers that much.

[SaintScott]

Consensus from the Games Convention at Leipzig is that the 360 version is currently looking a lot better then the PS3 version. I would think the PS3 version will be polished to a more equal state by the time of release, but it's interesting that this is the case right now none the less. Yet another games development drags on the PS3! I didn't think the problematic PS3 architecture would hinder developers that much.

It can't be just the architecture, they HAVE had about a year longer to dev on the 360 so they must have a few workarounds they have't figured out on the PS3.

And all the WENB boys said about the difference was that the PS3 version looked more washed out, that's not a big issue, I had to tone the bright 360 colours down on my tv for PES6 to make it look less unrealistic.

I'm just glad the 360 version is at least comparable, means I don't have to buy a PS3 !

[danielrh]

If people are buying a next-gen console from scratch to play pes2008 - I fear for sony

I've got both 360 and ps3 and I'm leaning towards getting a 360 version due to being used to the D-pad (big hands)

[jambotommy]

Sorry if already posted,This is from yesterday.

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_4264_fr.html

Looks pretty good to me.

Nets are unbelievable as well.

[sonicspinner]

look svery good!! super sharp! its just it feels like the men are so heavy.
gameplay is a bit slow huh?

i just watched fifa08 skills. and i got :(- ihope konami brings us some skills!

[hitmanuk]

that video looks super smooth and the nets look well nice.

[freddyboy]

Anyone noticed the new monikers for the strikers in that Arg v Bra vid.

Crespo is an MS ( main striker?) and Tevez is S2.....

[djdoc]

freddy, thats probably a German translation mate.

[freddyboy]

Yeah i just spotted that.....Doh

I like the look of the vid tho. It seems as quick as 6 on the PS2, whihc for me was much more fun to play than the ponderous 360 version

[sonicboom]

Mmmm that Tevez goal was sweet. I'd love to see some range shooting and how the character models shape up for shots. Movement on to the ball seems slick enough, so far i like what I see.

[Jamezinho]

I'm at pain to say this but PES2008 looks terrible. Not just the dated graphics but the way it plays (just my observations fom the videos - I haven't played it of course).

It looks like playground football with 20 blokes thundering around after the ball. After watching the FIFA 08 clips and the way the players move around the pitch so realistically, I'm afraid PES may be a no buy this year.

[hitmanuk]

its the same very year fifa looks amazing on the vids and pes looks ok and my belief it will be the same result fifa will have the eye candy amd pes will be the true football game. Time will tell

[Primepost]

really would like to get to the point im undecided about ps3 and xbox 360 version,

[Slash76]

really would like to get to the point im undecided about ps3 and xbox 360 version,


I´m doubting too, I´m looking forward the first 360 & PS3 reviews to check differences and deciding which version to buy:

-I prefer 360 version because of: Friends list & Online mode, I think that maybe it will work better on Live! than on PSN.
-I prefer PS3 version because of: D-pad, the Sixaxis D-pad is just perfect for me to play PES. Also I want to ckeck if the PS3 version is better than the 360 version as some people say...

[sonicboom]

seriously, how have they managed to integrate sixiaxis control into pes? Can anybody explain features?

[djdoc]

From what I have heard thus far they HAVENT made use of the Pathetic Six Axis.... its a rip off of the Wii controller.

[NickSCFC]

How's SixAxis pathetic? EDGE rated it very highly in their WarHawk review.

[Mart]

I can't see a good way of implementing six-axis into a football game that wouldn't be better served by buttons/sticks. Six-axis can be good in the same way a Wii game can be good if it actually adds something to the experience instead of just being something tacked on because they can.

[djdoc]

How's SixAxis pathetic? EDGE rated it very highly in their WarHawk review.
Because it does a very bad job at trying to immitate the Wii controller system.. It also doesnt have any sensitivity settings so you cant make it less harsh than it already is, you trying playing F1 CE with that tilt steering.. its fooking impossible.. anywayz WHAT has the six axis got to do with the 360? Nothing.. this should be in the PS3 thread.

[SaintScott]

I've got an idea on how to use Sixaxis, though why I'm posting it in the 360 thread I don't know.

You could tip it to knock the ball from one foot to the other when dribbling or before shooting. That way you'd be in control of which foot the player uses for major skills and tricks, instead of the CPU deciding for you.

[Trev]

I've got an idea on how to use Sixaxis, though why I'm posting it in the 360 thread I don't know.

You could tip it to knock the ball from one foot to the other when dribbling or before shooting. That way you'd be in control of which foot the player uses for major skills and tricks, instead of the CPU deciding for you.

Great :roll:

Move along to the PS3 section then please.

[sonicboom]

lol but on a serious note, ive just read this from the winning eleven next-gen blog 'So that rounds up todays news. I'll finish on saying CW & Kenny M from Evo-web both preferred the PS3 version of PES 2008 due to control issues with the X360, Kenny hated Fifa 08 while CW is thoroughly impressed, and I actually enjoyed a spot of Fifa 08 after getting used to the finesse shots.'

Having mixed emotions seeing as fifa might actually be 'enjoyable' and they reckon the 360 has control issues.

[jambotommy]

lol but on a serious note, ive just read this from the winning eleven next-gen blog 'So that rounds up todays news. I'll finish on saying CW & Kenny M from Evo-web both preferred the PS3 version of PES 2008 due to control issues with the X360, Kenny hated Fifa 08 while CW is thoroughly impressed, and I actually enjoyed a spot of Fifa 08 after getting used to the finesse shots.'

Having mixed emotions seeing as fifa might actually be 'enjoyable' and they reckon the 360 has control issues.

Yep.Its the trigger/bumper button thing.

Its just a shame that microsoft couldn't release a special "No trigger" game pad.

Just have the four bumper style buttons instead of two bumpers and two triggers.

This would be quite handy for a few games (not just pro evo).

[SaintScott]

Great :roll:

Move along to the PS3 section then please.

Hey, I didn't start the "how to use the Sixaxis" discussion in the 360 forum, and one of the guys that contributed to the Sixaxis question is the "Boss Man", so you can draw your own conclusions to how relevant my comments are to the thread from that.

I merely helpfully answered a question, and unsurprisingly I don't appear to have been banned or warned, or suffered any other sanctions else for it for that matter. As you don't appear to be admin, so I'd appreciate it if you kindly kept your condescending efforts at control freakery to yourself.

[SaintScott]

Yep.Its the trigger/bumper button thing.

Its just a shame that microsoft couldn't release a special "No trigger" game pad.

Just have the four bumper style buttons instead of two bumpers and two triggers.

This would be quite handy for a few games (not just pro evo).

From what I've read on WENB I thought it was more about the analogue/d-pad positioning. I think one of the guys likes to use the d-pad rather than analogue stick, and it's not exactly ideally placed on the 360 controller.

I'm sure they could clarify for you...

[jimis]

all playes i know are playing with the d pad on PS2 and X-box360! for myself i hate analog controling in a footy game! About the 360 controller its not a PS pad, so anyone who uses the 360 has to learn how to use it right! an believe my guys, i have seen people playing on the 360 like gods!!!

[DTF_MaxQ]

I'm at pain to say this but PES2008 looks terrible. Not just the dated graphics but the way it plays (just my observations fom the videos - I haven't played it of course).


I've played PES2008 at GC, both PS3 and Xbox360 versions. Visually they look the same, with no slowdowns at all (finally!!). And when you see gameplay of both new FIFA and PES, you won't notice huge difference except of better presentation of FIFA (better menus, replays, and so on). BTW funny to see FIFA becoming more and more PES-alike :) Even the controls of new FIFA are nearly identical to PES's.

But since I don't play FIFA at all, I've spent my time playing new PES. What I noticed immediately:

1. New animations for player movements/dribbling/shooting. First impressions - they are much smoother than at PES6. But a bit slower (which isn't too shabby at all I must say - I wasn't huge fan of animations in PES6).

2. AI-controlled players defend MUCH better than in PES6 (I haven't played vs AI team though). Personally I use "doggy-style" defense in PES6 - holding "shoot/attack" button and trying to predict with my player where the ball will be next time, while AI-controlled player from my team is attacking the guy with the ball. It's not necessary now - AI-controlled players move a lot better without a ball, I even had a few situations where they performed double attack themselves!!! and took posession of the ball while I was thinking what to do and where to run. That's really nice - because you have more time to plan counter-attack now :)

3. Same goes to attacks - players move a lot better without a ball, for example: I hate situations in PES6 when I take the ball in middle, press LB+X then dashing onto the goal and expecting previous player to run in parallel. He runs for a moment, then stops. I assume he was expecting return pass but I wanted to make the return pass much later, when I'd attract keeper and defender. This really pisses me off!! But in PES2008 it's fixed - now when you press LB+X previous player will run until he's either in deep offside or receives the ball back. I scored couple of times with this tactics - works really well!!

4. Main menu and in-game pause menu are new and pretty damn good, while formation settings menu is same as in PES6. I'm really tired of it, don't know about you guys, but the fact is that formation settings menu is the SAME.

5. Overall graphics are a little bit better than PES6 but still it's not a huge step forward. Players models are new but not revolutionary better, pitch textures are also just a little bit better, crowd is pretty much the same.

6. Back to gameplay - it's now much harder to dash through the flank since AI makes reaaallly nice "shifting move" - when you run on flank and opposing side defender will attack you, central defenders will automatically shift to the flank, backing up side defender in case you'll go past him. Looks fantastic - just like in real football!!

7. There are a lot of new dribbling moves - but I can't tell you much about them cos I couldn't make them :) Just saw guys from Konami made some sweet dribbling moves when playing in front of TV camera. I assume dribbling controls are all new.

Overall, I was rather pleased with what I saw, because it's finally new PES - not like PES6 comparing to PES5 :) Still I have a lot of questions about AI - will it really be adaptive and self-learning or it's just another marketing bulls**t. Not to mention ML - guys from Konami told me that it's "still in development and we can't really talk about that", which shows IMO that it will be the same as in PES6. Otherwise Konami would show it somehow, maybe even on videos!!

Ok, hope it wasn't a tough read for you guys since English isn't my native language :)

[NickSCFC]

How's SixAxis pathetic? EDGE rated it very highly in their WarHawk review.

Because it does a very bad job at trying to immitate the Wii controller system.. It also doesnt have any sensitivity settings so you cant make it less harsh than it already is, you trying playing F1 CE with that tilt steering.. its fooking impossible.. anywayz WHAT has the six axis got to do with the 360? Nothing.. this should be in the PS3 thread.

F1 CE is a fuckin shit game anyway, EDGE gave it 4/10, this was mostly down to shit controls, especially motion control. EDGE gave WarHawk a great review because it made great use of the Sixaxis.

So next time you judge Sixaxis, judge it on a game that makes good use of it, not some shit like F1 CE ;)

[keano 16]

to be honest, unless Seabass and co have done some major overhauls on the gameplay, master league, and online play with this (for instance, mini league capability); then EA will be getting my footie game money next month. I have been loyal to PES since the days of ISS, probably since before some of you could even talk - but this is ridiculous! Slight improvements every time, no revamp of the oh so dated master league format, how much effort does it take?!


I'll reserve judgement until I see a review, but things dont look good going by the blog.

[jonneymendoza]

I've played PES2008 at GC, both PS3 and Xbox360 versions. Visually they look the same, with no slowdowns at all (finally!!). And when you see gameplay of both new FIFA and PES, you won't notice huge difference except of better presentation of FIFA (better menus, replays, and so on). BTW funny to see FIFA becoming more and more PES-alike :) Even the controls of new FIFA are nearly identical to PES's.

But since I don't play FIFA at all, I've spent my time playing new PES. What I noticed immediately:

1. New animations for player movements/dribbling/shooting. First impressions - they are much smoother than at PES6. But a bit slower (which isn't too shabby at all I must say - I wasn't huge fan of animations in PES6).
2. AI-controlled players defend MUCH better than in PES6 (I haven't played vs AI team though). Personally I use "doggy-style" defense in PES6 - holding "shoot/attack" button and trying to predict with my player where the ball will be next time, while AI-controlled player from my team is attacking the guy with the ball. It's not necessary now - AI-controlled players move a lot better without a ball, I even had a few situations where they performed double attack themselves!!! and took posession of the ball while I was thinking what to do and where to run. That's really nice - because you have more time to plan counter-attack now :)
3. Same goes to attacks - players move a lot better without a ball, for example: I hate situations in PES6 when I take the ball in middle, press LB+X then dashing onto the goal and expecting previous player to run in parallel. He runs for a moment, then stops. I assume he was expecting return pass but I wanted to make the return pass much later, when I'd attract keeper and defender. This really pisses me off!! But in PES2008 it's fixed - now when you press LB+X previous player will run until he's either in deep offside or receives the ball back. I scored couple of times with this tactics - works really well!!
4. Main menu and in-game pause menu are new and pretty damn good, while formation settings menu is same as in PES6. I'm really tired of it, don't know about you guys, but the fact is that formation settings menu is the SAME.
5. Overall graphics are a little bit better than PES6 but still it's not a huge step forward. Players models are new but not revolutionary better, pitch textures are also just a little bit better, crowd is pretty much the same.
6. Back to gameplay - it's now much harder to dash through the flank since AI makes reaaallly nice "shifting move" - when you run on flank and opposing side defender will attack you, central defenders will automatically shift to the flank, backing up side defender in case you'll go past him. Looks fantastic - just like in real football!!
7. There are a lot of new dribbling moves - but I can't tell you much about them cos I couldn't make them :) Just saw guys from Konami made some sweet dribbling moves when playing in front of TV camera. I assume dribbling controls are all new.

Overall, I was rather pleased with what I saw, because it's finally new PES - not like PES6 comparing to PES5 :) Still I have a lot of questions about AI - will it really be adaptive and self-learning or it's just another marketing bulls**t. Not to mention ML - guys from Konami told me that it's "still in development and we can't really talk about that", which shows IMO that it will be the same as in PES6. Otherwise Konami would show it somehow, maybe even on videos!!

Ok, hope it wasn't a tough read for you guys since English isn't my native language :)

it was atough read has you needed make use of spaces between each point for easy read on the eye but still a pleasent read.

i just heard that pes wont have 2v2 anymore
its all 1v1 !! to me thats taking a step back imo has they should of IMPROVED the online functionality of the game not make it worse.. i only play online in pro evo has master league and those silly cups are all boring and not challenging enough for me on 6 star.

[DTF_MaxQ]

it was atough read has you needed make use of spaces between each point for easy read on the eye but still a pleasent read.

i just heard that pes wont have 2v2 anymore
its all 1v1 !! to me thats taking a step back imo has they should of IMPROVED the online functionality of the game not make it worse.. i only play online in pro evo has master league and those silly cups are all boring and not challenging enough for me on 6 star.

Made spaces, sorry!
BTW I saw some guys at X360 stand playing 2 vs AI - so I guess there will be 2v2 mode :)

[NickSCFC]

Yeah there's 2 vs 2, no idea whether you can have 2 vs 2 online though.

[djdoc]

F1 CE is a fuckin shit game anyway, EDGE gave it 4/10, this was mostly down to shit controls, especially motion control. EDGE gave WarHawk a great review because it made great use of the Sixaxis.

So next time you judge Sixaxis, judge it on a game that makes good use of it, not some shit like F1 CE ;)
Nick.. Edge arent the be all and end all!!! most other places gave F1CE a decent rating... Ok what about that stupid Rub A Dub game? thats good use of Six Axis? also some of the other games like COD3? oh yeah not a gimmick in the slightest:roll:

[NickSCFC]

Fact is SixAxis does a very good job of using motion control with Warhawk and calling it pathetic is just blind fanboyism.

[djdoc]

Fact you just like to argue with all my posts....

[NickSCFC]

No I don't, when the 360 has a motion controller, one thatis better than SixAxis, then we can slag off SixAxis.

[psimonius]

Motion control for a console like the playstation is completely pointless. The Wii has a controller perfectly suited to it which is why it works so well. Sony haven't realised that you either need a dedicated peripheral for motion control or nothing at all. A compromise just doesn't work.

ANYWAY... PES on the 360! Woooo!

[sgmullins]

Apparently there are two licenced teams from the premiership. They are spurs and newcastle.

[sonicboom]

Apparently there are two licenced teams from the premiership. They are spurs and newcastle.

I thought this had been established? Or am I just dreaming? (Would rather see liverpool licensed lol even though I'm a man u fan)

[truebrit3]

Does anyone know if it will be possible to download updated option files for pes 2008 on the xbox360 ?

[jonneymendoza]

I thought this had been established? Or am I just dreaming? (Would rather see liverpool licensed lol even though I'm a man u fan)

PISS POOR to have those two teams has licences. stupid konami

[djdoc]

Motion control for a console like the playstation is completely pointless. The Wii has a controller perfectly suited to it which is why it works so well. Sony haven't realised that you either need a dedicated peripheral for motion control or nothing at all. A compromise just doesn't work.Thats basically what I think. Sony's half baked attempt is nothing more than a gimmick!

[kellex]

I know a lot of people have been wondering if there will be unntucked kits(I know I spell it wrong:roll:) Anyway, I was waching a clip of pes 2008 on youtube and in this clip where Crespo scores for Argentina, you can see as Tevez runs over to celebrate the goal, you can see his kit is not tucked. Its in the 02:54 min of the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-34ANY75DA

[djdoc]

Cheers mate, I think that was cleared up in the WE PES Next Gen Thread.

[StayingPower]

I know a lot of people have been wondering if there will be unntucked kits(I know I spell it wrong:roll:) Anyway, I was waching a clip of pes 2008 on youtube and in this clip where Crespo scores for Argentina, you can see as Tevez runs over to celebrate the goal, you can see his kit is not tucked. Its in the 02:54 min of the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-34ANY75DA

I dunno if you pasted the wrong url or something but that is definitely not a PES2008 clip.

[gameklip]

darren bent was playing Pro evo2008 on skusports today... looked like some promotional thing from a store in london somewhere.

[NickSCFC]

New trailer on Marketplace!

[spunkfart]

surely the ps3 must have the same control issues as its two rear buttons are also triggers? or did i miss something?

[NickSCFC]

Not really, I never used L2 or R2.

[bonjovifan]

surely the ps3 must have the same control issues as its two rear buttons are also triggers? or did i miss something?

Difference is the triggers are the primary should buttons on 360, holding LB and RB gets a little uncomfortable after a while, whereas L1 and R1 are the primary buttons on PS3, it's holding R2 and L2 which gets a bit uncomfortable after a while.

[freddyboy]

Can't you re-map the buttons tho?

[NickSCFC]

You sure can, in PES6 on 360 the shoulder buttons were the change player and run buttons, so I had to switch them to the shoulder triggers.

[Mart]

That's only useful if you don't use L2/R2, though, otherwise you end up with those functions on the top buttons, which messes with your brain. Particularly if you then revert back to the PlayStation versions for any reason...

The 360 controller is alien to begin with if you're used to years of PS PESing but you get used to it. CW's control issues are more likely to be related to his big clumsy hands though.

[kellex]

I dunno if you pasted the wrong url or something but that is definitely not a PES2008 clip.

He, he, I did, that one was meant for gunners.no :roll:

This is the one I was thinking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9x6W7tYIm8

[dutty_nose111]

Thanks for posting that brilliant video. Pes looks great :D

[Daisuk]

Any news on whether or not you can download other people's OF's? Would absolutely suck if you couldn't.

[jonneymendoza]

You sure can, in PES6 on 360 the shoulder buttons were the change player and run buttons, so I had to switch them to the shoulder triggers.

YEA thats what i did in the old one. i just switched the butttons has i felt more comfertable like that. after all im use to using the right trigger button has an acceleration for racing games so in pes6 its common to use that to enable the player to move fast

[gameklip]

i pretty used to the 360's default for pro evo, even though i used to play load of Pro on the playstation. running with RB was fine in the last version. unless konami mess the controls up deliberately on the 360 version, i see no reason to switch to the PS3 version. i'll get the PS3 version when the PS3 cam comes out. i want to photo the man utd emblem and put it on the kit. :D

[thereplicant]

Anyone else so underwhelemed by Pro Evo this year. Seem all the videos and it doesnt look like much improvement over last year. I've always prefered Pro Evo to Fifa, but this year looks like the year I will be switching to Fifa. Fifa looks far more realistic speed wise than the pinball football on this years Pro Evo.

[djdoc]

^Slightly underwhelmed yes. It does look as though its PES6 with a few tweaks and extra stuff missing from last year has been re-added. Hopefully it wont be but no one has said "TeamVision is awesome and you can really see it working"... or "The game seems to be non-scripted and non CPU Orientated anymore" which is a concern.

[Beattie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9x6W7tYIm8


Penalties still look like crap I see.

[NickSCFC]

^Slightly underwhelmed yes. It does look as though its PES6 with a few tweaks and extra stuff missing from last year has been re-added. Hopefully it wont be but no one has said "TeamVision is awesome and you can really see it working"... or "The game seems to be non-scripted and non CPU Orientated anymore" which is a concern.

Haven't seen anything of the Teamvision working for opposing teams.

Seen alot of it working for your CPU controlled team mates, especially the runs they make for you.

[Mr Pace]

Any news on whether or not you can download other people's OF's? Would absolutely suck if you couldn't.
Very good question. Anyone know the answer to this?

[tom10]

Very good question. Anyone know the answer to this?

Sorry but I don't have an answer but there are some discussion on another site I've been on and there are some hope..

This is for the PES6 OF witch was distributed a while ago. I got hold of an early one and stayed clear of the banned ones, so while some would get a message that the save was corrupt, mine was still good..

This is what's happend so far, and MS will most certainly do tighten up the control of gamesaves uploaded to gamesave sites in the future and ban those saves...

My last post on the other site:

"MS checked out gamesaves and their ConsoleID on different sites, and banned the transfer priviligies to those who had uploaded saves to these sites.. So if you downloaded a certain file with a tagged ConsoleID, your OF would come out corrupted....

But it seems like a nice theory that you, when not connected to LIVE, could edit the OF you transferred to your own 360, and then it will be inprinted with your ConsoleID, or is the ConsoleID from the source also in anyway registered onto the save?

I thought the banning was related to the "ConsoleID" and not to the gamertag? So if the new OF was distributed (via email perhaps) and from a source witch is not banned yet, the OF file would not be detected as corrupt?

Anyone who could shed som light on this??"

[djdoc]

Its a big shame if we cant share option files. Its one of the best parts of the PES community. If MS stop us from doing that then I for one wont be best pleased!

[truebrit3]

How would we get the option file onto the xbox360 hard drive ?

[djdoc]

Using the Datel Xsata.

[twoodster]

Did Konami actually bump Riot off for posting those images? Haven't heard from him since! His site doesn't seem to have covered Pro Evo once since! Surely he must be allowed to post things about it now! It's out in a month

[snksan]

Don't know if it has been related but here are some news for PES2008:

5 new licenced national teams:

Brazil, Portugal, Greece, Ireland and Scotland

Some new clubs:

Newcastle, Tottenham, RSC Anderlecht, HJK Helsinki, IFK Goteborg, Panathinaikos, Spartak Moscow, Fenerbahçe, NK Dinamo Zagreb, FC Bale

[jonneymendoza]

i cant believe they licenced tottenham and newcastle!! pathetic

[jimis]

Panathinaikos and Greece!!!! yes!!!! a dream (for Greeks) comes true!!!!

[munkee]

i cant believe they licenced tottenham and newcastle!! pathetic

Newcastle is an obvious one due to micheal owen , must be a Spurs player doing the cover in another country

[Trev]

i cant believe they licenced tottenham and newcastle!! pathetic

The Arse had their turn last year.

Get over it :lmao:

[jonneymendoza]

shold have gave the licence to two of the top 4 club teams in premiership

[jambotommy]

Christ, This thread is like waiting to have teeth pulled.

Silence is deafening, imo.

[biggertam]

The Arse had their turn last year.

Get over it :lmao:

yeah i think they are giving other fans a chance to have thier teams licensed stupid rule about only having 2 teams licensed i think its fair tbh.

[Seraphs21]

I reckon last year instead of Arsenal they should of let Liverpool and Man U, as Chelsea and Arsenal had PES5, that would of been fairer, then these two now, Arsenal had it two years, greediness :D

[sonicboom]

Using the Datel Xsata.

would we be able use a usb pen drive to transfer files instead?