Sony PlayStation 3

[ThomasGOAL]

PlayStation 3 - Official Thread

http://www.playfrance.com/news/images/747311479/zoom/0587.jpg
Thanks to sfc-tsubasa from WEarePES

[the_thing]

nice ad, but when is it coming out?

[OPM]

i want!come on sony give us specs, pics, whatever :)

[Slobber]

i want!come on sony give us specs, pics, whatever :)



Patience young'un! All will be revealed soon..

[ash]

In a surprising twist on the next generation hardware race, a Sony representative has stated that a year 2005 release for the next generation PlayStation is a possibility. Responding to questions from Jiji news service, Sony Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara states, "For the year end sales season, simultaneously building up both the PlayStation Portable system in America and Europe as well as the next generation PlayStation is one option that we have."

Most industry speculation calls for a next generation PlayStation release in 2006. Sony's third party developers have backed this assumption up with a strong list of PlayStation 2 titles planned for the rest of the year and early next.

The state of the next generation PlayStation software shown at next week's E3 show should reveal if a 2005 release is a possibility for the new system, or if Yuhara's comments were designed to take some steam out of Microsoft's Xbox 360 unveiling.

Source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/612/612985p1.html

[the_thing]

iTunes on ps3?!!
http://www.machtpc.com/archives/2005/05/14/itunes-on-the-ps3/

[LemonJelly]

Sony couldn't even launch the fecking PSP properly because of manufacturing problems, there is no way they can ramp up production for a 2005 release of the PS3. Maybe they can get it out in Asia, but not a worldwide release like the 360.

[Soundtracker]

more details will be revealed tomorrow on an official press conference...

[ThomasGOAL]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/133/reviews/926596_20050514_screen001.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/133/reviews/926596_20050514_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/133/reviews/926596_20050514_screen003.jpg

[ThomasGOAL]

I have make that :

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/1917/ps32ag.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=ps32ag.jpg)

[titeo]

those ads look very cool. surely caught my eyes. i wonder what color the PS3 would be?

[Milanista]

my bet is silver/grey.

[Dead Man]

my bet is silver/grey.

Any colour but BLACK!

Those damm fingerprints

[RuneEdge]

I'm sure its gonna be much cooler than the X-Box 360.

[titeo]

i would love it if Sony would release more than one color in other countries beside Japan. Japan got so many colors to choose from with the PS2 yet other countries have only about 2 or 3 and the PS2 was priced higher.

i would like a lime green PS3. :)

[lumlum]

I'd like a see through PS3... So I know where to stick the mod chip with less effort :lol:

[Revan]

Nice ads.
Anyone know the date of the next Tokyo Game Show?
That should be the place for the official presentation me thinks!

[airjoca]

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35789&subsectionid=1585

Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3 to be shown tonight. Can't wait for more info...

[Revan]

I dind't notice that those ads were near the place where 3e is going to be held!
So I'm confident sony will show something tonight!

uu... can't wait to see some vids of MGS4.

[ThomasGOAL]

Possible too Winning Eleven 10 and Gran Turismo 5 !!! just graphic version i think for the potantial of PS3 tech.

http://bbs.weshareit.net/viewthread.php?tid=6815&fpage=1&sid=e5bbFa

[LemonJelly]

That would be a first, Konami actually showing Winning Eleven at E3!!

[ThomasGOAL]

That would be a first, Konami actually showing Winning Eleven at E3!!

I think it's just a technical demo

[lumlum]

Whatever Sony got prepared, it better have four shoulder triggers and a d-pad!
And is it just me, or is that a billboard with a huge picture of a naked ass?

[ThomasGOAL]

First official news from Sony Conference :

official name : PlaySation 3
out : 2006
possible to play with PS2 games

[ThomasGOAL]

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz and feature 2.18 teraflops of performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz, a detachable 2.5 inch HDD slot, six usb 2.0 ports, Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, a compact flash memory slot, Compact flash slot, 2 hdmi outputs, 1 av multi out, 1 SPDIF optical output, and 1-gigabit Ethernet built in port

The PlayStation 3 will also sport some hefty multimedia features, such as video chat, internet access, digital photo viewing, digital audio and video. Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi introduced it as a "Super computer for computer entertainment."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html

[titeo]

wow, the processor and chip sounds really interesting. Using nVidia technologies is a very good choice since they are one of the leading graphic card brand now.

[ThomasGOAL]

Official Design of PS3

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/9127/39ry.jpg
http://www.jaygoland.com/anothercastle/ps3.jpg

[ThomasGOAL]

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570925_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570926_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570927_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/09/ME0000570928_2.jpg

[Oli]

LMAO ITS THE SPIDERMAN FONT. Sony made Spiderman too.

[SilverSpider]

LMAO ITS THE SPIDERMAN FONT. Sony made Spiderman too.

First thing I noticed too :shock: thought it was a Fake until its been confirmed everywhere !!!

Again they have gone with a very un-symmetrical design ?

[munkee]

reminds me of a paper shredder :o

imo is a very unlikable design :(

[ThomasGOAL]

PLAYSTATION®3 Specifications
Product name PLAYSTATION®3
Logo PLAYSTATION®3
CPU Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for
redundancy
total floating point
performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point
performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2
channels
Multi-way programmable parallel
floating point shader
pipelines
Sound Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-
base processing)
Memory 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s
(read)
SB 2.5GB/s (write) +
2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance 2 TFLOPS
Storage HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP®)
Network (over IP)
AV Output Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p,
1080i, 1080p
HDMI HDMI out x 2
Analog AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio DIGITAL OUT
(OPTICAL) x 1
Disc media CD PlayStation® CD-ROM
* read only PlayStation®2 CD-ROM
CD-DA CD-DA (ROM), CD-R,
CD-RW
SACD SACD Hybrid (CD
layer), SACD HD
DualDisc DualDisc (audio
side), DualDisc
(DVD side)
DVD PlayStation®2 DVD-ROM
PLAYSTATION®3 DVD-ROM
DVD-Video DVD-ROM, DVD-R,
DVD-RW, DVD+R,
DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc PLAYSTATION®3 BD-ROM
BD-Video BD-ROM, BD-R,
BD-RE

Simply Amazing....

[SilverSpider]

From IGN .... Oh all this news in the space of Half an hour ... its all too much :mryellow:


E3 2005: GTA Next for PS3 Launch
The next Grand Theft Auto will release alongside PlayStation 3.
by Ivan Sulic

May 16, 2005 - We don't know much, but Sony promises that "Grand Theft Auto Next" will be a PS3 launch title. This information comes from some people at the Sony E3 2005 press conference currently in progress, but we've yet to confirm the report with our own editors.

We're hoping to high heaven that we'll get to see snippets of the game in the coming days.




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Just need to see the Controller Now ;-)

[ThomasGOAL]

Bad news...
I hope Sony change that

http://www.abjecthubris.com/images/ps3controller.jpg

[jumbo]

FIRST SCREENS!!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/screenindex_6124681.html

[SilverSpider]

Bad news...
I hope Sony change that

http://www.abjecthubris.com/images/ps3controller.jpg

Holy Shit that looks Fooking AWFUL & AWKWARD :shock:

Thanks though ThomasGoal

[ThomasGOAL]

FIRST SCREENS!!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/screenindex_6124681.html

Sorry, it's old, look in the first page

[jumbo]

PS3 GTA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halo 3

Hahahah. :DDDDDDDD

[SilverSpider]

Gamespot ...


"Sony trotted out a whole host of publishers who are backing the PlayStation 3--and in the process confirmed several games for the console. Hideo Kojima introduced Konami's Metal Gear Solid 4, Capcom showed off Devil May Cry 4, Namco unveiled Tekken 6, Polyphony Digital trotted out Gran Turismo 5, SCEE showed off a brutal demo of the next Killzone."




And to think some people say that this Industry only pumps out sequels these days ... ;-)




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Ah, It was all going so well with the Stats of the Machine ... then we saw THAT Font and THAT Pad ... come on Mr. Kutaragi sort them out and all will be well ;-)


I can only Imagine what it would be like playing WE10 with that Pad ? The shoulder buttons look almost out of Reach :mryellow:

[ThomasGOAL]

screenshots PS3 (May Cry 4, KillZone 2 & WarHack)

http://www.jeuxpo.com/afficher_news-2777.html

[jumbo]

Fucking amazing.

WE10 will sweep us off our feet.

[ThomasGOAL]

http://img170.echo.cx/img170/981/ps365dq.jpg

[SilverSpider]

Apparently Sony are saying that this design is certainly not "FINAL" so there is Hope yet for changes to the Font and Pad .... :)

[ThomasGOAL]

http://img33.echo.cx/img33/1606/size4vn.jpg

:lmao:

[SilverSpider]

LOL ....... Yip ThomasGOAL it doesn't take the Fanboy's long does it ....


Here is their latest offering ...


http://www.wrestlingstop.com/sonyps3owned.jpg


Those Fanboy's love a bit of "Console Wars" ... :mryellow:

[ThomasGOAL]

all game developer want work with Sony after the conference !
poor Microsoft :lol:

[the_thing]

](*,) y that controller?? and y that font??.... sort of a let down for me.. but still 500937299503971830548372x better then xbox 360. graphics are amazing. cant wait for WE10. thx for the pics thomas.

[ThomasGOAL]

http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_03.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_02.jpg
http://www.zombieculture.com/img/I8_01.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614753/tekken-next-20050516063029982.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614758/eyedentify-voice-recognition-game-20050516062727083.jpg

[Revan]

OMFG!
Sony did it again!
Just like previous years they appear at e3 with something no one expects!
Well my wishlist:
The controllers look akward to say the least! change them! Well one can't really say till grabs one!
The design of the console looks simple, I like it enough, and it's small! (weeee)
GTA!
MGS!
WE/PES!
GT!
Tekken!
It's all there. Looks like I'm for Sony again! Since the first one, I haven't been able to free myself from sony! Bastards! :mrgreen:

one thing though... Hard drive might not be standard! :\

[biggertam]

:roll: why o why they had a wiinning desgin for the cont if they keep that then i think i will have to be getting the saw out.:roll:

screens look good.......when i saw a pic of the new machine at first i was not impressed but now ive seen some more its starting to grow on me.

[the_thing]

has anyone else noticed that the machine only has the reset/power SIGN and not the actual BUTTON?

[Footboy]

IS it going to be the end of the winning eleven/pes patches ? I don´t think that in 1 year there will be blu-ray burners such as we have dvd-burners...
Blu-ray has a storage of 25 gb or more, how could we download this and edit such big files ?? ;(

[ThomasGOAL]

I have see all the Sony Conference it's incredible !

Alfred Molina in 3D real time :shock:
"Gateway 3" London in 3D look like video :shock:

[biggertam]

PS3 V XBOX 360 FACE OFF

....................................PS3........... ................................XBOX 360

Processor.................3.2GHz Cell w/7 SPEs.................3.2GHz w/3 Cores
.........................................2.0 TFLOPS.....................1.0 TFLOPS

Memory.................256MB XDR @ 3.2GHz..............512MB GDDR3 @ 700MHz
.............................256MB GDDR3 @ 700MHz..........10 MB Embedded DRAM

GPU............................550MHz Nvidia..............................500MHz ATI
.................................................. .................................................. .

Best Display...............1080p standard......................1080i optional
..............................Dual screen output.................single screen output

Network.............1000BASE-T Ethernet.................100BASE-TX Ethernet
..........................WiFi 802.11 b/g.........................WiFi 802.11 a/b/g

Audio....................5.1 Digital...................................5.1 Digital
.................................................. .................................................. ......

Wireless input.........x7 on Bluetooth 2.0..............x4 on 2.4GHz RF...........
.................................................. .................................................. .....

Storage..................Removeable HDD.................Removeable HDD.......
...................................*TBA........... .......................20GB...............

Release.....................Spring 2006............................November 2005....
.................................................. .................................................. .....

Dimentions..............About 13.5'' x 3.25''.....................10.25'' x 2.5''........
.................................................. ..................................................

[crayon]

That gamepad is gonna look good flying across my room after a bad game! Looks like a boomerang....

[titeo]

the PS3 design looks pretty slick IMO, i like the curve look. But please don't tell me that those controllers are going to be the official ones. God I hope not because it looks like a damn boomerang.

thanks for the screens and links everyone.

[Holio]

Interesting enough now, maybe the controller is shaped like a boomerang cause if you do throw it, it'll come back to you instead of getting busted against the tv or the wall!!! Dont know why so many fanboys are starting already, people with most sense will be getting XB, PS and next Ninty. I mean there could almost be a year between XB360 and the PS3 launch! It looks ok, but looks alone dont sell a console it's all about the games.

[ash]

Bad news...
I hope Sony change that

http://www.abjecthubris.com/images/ps3controller.jpg
Time for XBOX fanboys to laugh at us now.

[RuneEdge]

:lmao:
He's right. Its the Spiderman font!

[LemonJelly]

I am by no means an XBox fanboy as I have all 3 systems at the moment. But I will say that I prefer the design of the Xbox 360 over the PS3, that pad is just a joke surely!!??

And according to biggertam's list of specs, the PS3 is bigger than the xbox360.

[ClassicD]

There are 3 shots of the next GT game floating about, from an Asian website. To say they look disappointing is putting it mildly, it looks like GT4 with better spectators/people in the pit lane.

[lumlum]

Don't think so. Use the PS3's disc slot as a reference.

[LemonJelly]

There are 3 shots of the next GT game floating about, from an Asian website. To say they look disappointing is putting it mildly, it looks like GT4 with better spectators/people in the pit lane.

Yeah I agree, I haven't watched the IGN trailer yet but from the screens the trees and environments look exactly the same as GT4. Flat textures, no bump mapping, trees made up of 2x2D shapes. Tis a shame. The F1 game looks mighty impressive.

It's still way WAY too early to tell how good these games are gonna be.

[LemonJelly]

Don't think so. Use the PS3's disc slot as a reference.

IGN's specs, which are the same as biggertams point to the PS3 being several inches bigger than the 360.

[Slobber]

I'm a fanboy of no console and will get all 3 of the next gen ones, but the PS3 console and pad looks stupid.

ClassicD: I completely agree with your opinion on the next Gran Turismo. I was gobsmacked at how dissapointing it looked.

[CW]

Interesting enough now, maybe the controller is shaped like a boomerang cause if you do throw it, it'll come back to you instead of getting busted against the tv or the wall!!!

I was thinking exactly the same mate. What have they done to it?!

Still its not how something looks, its how it plays

[PESV]

you can check out all the movies on gametrailers.com

[Milanista]

IS it going to be the end of the winning eleven/pes patches ? I don´t think that in 1 year there will be blu-ray burners such as we have dvd-burners...
Blu-ray has a storage of 25 gb or more, how could we download this and edit such big files ?? ;(

Actually blu-ray burners haven been available for sale for the last year.

[CW]

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/ps301.jpg

What colour to have?

[PESV]

i like the white one. the black one is kinda nice too.

[ThomasGOAL]

Killzone 2 PS3 Video from Sony conference

http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_killzone_ps3_e35.mov

[lumlum]

Shiny

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050517/sce103.jpg

[Revan]

black here.
But I still don't like the way the pad looks. But I wonder how does it play!

thx for the site! :D

[ThomasGOAL]

Gran Turismo demo tech on PS3

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5838&type=mov

[Slobber]

There are 3 shots of the next GT game floating about, from an Asian website. To say they look disappointing is putting it mildly, it looks like GT4 with better spectators/people in the pit lane.



Oh, I've just been reading that GT5 won't look like this graphically. I have heared they will improve the graphics a lot, and this movie is just a vision of how the game will be in the future with so many cars on the track, and so on

[ThomasGOAL]

about Gran Turismo, it's not GT5, it's just aa first tech demo, for sure the real version on PS3 are very better, no doubt.

[biggertam]

i have to say i was blown away with that killzone2 movie....looking good

also here is the sony press conference for anyone whos not seen it.....

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html LOL @ the ducks thing

[Revan]

Too bad Final Fantasy VII was just a technical demo! :cry:

The Killzone video..-> :eek:

[RuneEdge]

I am by no means an XBox fanboy.
Your avatar and signature arent very convincing.

[peat]

I think i must be the first one to actually like the controller.
I reckon ergonomically its gona sit in the hand nicely.

I am sure Sony have done their homework in pad ergonomics like.
I just hope they aint goofed up like MS did on the original xbox controller by only testing the pad on people in their own country.

And as for colour... silver all the way.. gotta match the tele.

I wonder if all this wifi stuff that we will have next year (ps3, xbox360, pc router etc) will interfere with each other.

[Slobber]

Your avatar and signature arent very convincing.

:confused: Just because he likes the Xbox doesn't mean he is a fanboy.

[ThomasGOAL]

The Gateway PS3:

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571085_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571086_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571087_2.jpg

[Milanista]

OH MY GOD LOOK AT THE GETAWAY CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ike]

I'm not a fanboy, and I'm not judging by these pictures, but specs-wise the PS3 shits on Xbox 360 from great height. However, since the PS3 has a very new architecture, we will only see a fraction of the machine's potential in the beginning, unlike the XBox 360 that uses a more ordinary architecture.

Thinking about the next GTA on PS3 always makes me shiver.

[LemonJelly]

:confused: Just because he likes the Xbox doesn't mean he is a fanboy.

Exactly.

I've been watching the Sony conference and it is very impressive. The Killzone demo was superb. So was the Getaway, so was fight night, hell the Ducks were impressive too.

Microsoft have dtumbled a bit with regards to a lack of games being shown. I'd rather have these tech demos than nothing at all.

[ThomasGOAL]

Others Picts :

http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571097_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571099_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/11/ME0000571106_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571080_2.jpg

[LemonJelly]

I'm not a fanboy, and I'm not judging by these pictures, but specs-wise the PS3 shits on Xbox 360 from great height.

Thinking about the next GTA on PS3 always makes me shiver.

Yeah on paper you are right. However it is how these individual componants fit together is the key. Only time and development will reveal how good these machines are.

Whatever happens it will be of a benefit to the gamers.

BTW if the RSX is the equivilant of 2xG6800 graphics cards in SLI mode, which cost $1000 at the moment. How much is the PS3 gonna cost??? £300 - 500? More?

[Milanista]

Predicted 300-500 USD not pounds. They wont be stupid enough to charge much higher than the xbox360 since theyre competing.

FFS 2006 IS TOO FAR AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

[ronaldoisagod]

I just downloaded some vids from ign.com for some of the PS3 games.

GranTurismoVision looks amazing!

Fight Night Round 3 made me piss my pants!

And KillZone finished me off...i shit myself!

Imagine what Winning Eleven can look like on the PS3. Oh for the love of god. With the game probably like 12-15gb's in size, at least...you can expect perfect player likeness...both face, body, dribbling style. But man, with a game this big, patching will be a chore!!!

Hopefully they'll make an HD Loader hack for the PS3!

[babs]

watch the motor storm video at game trailers, fantastic.

[peat]

aye killzone looked defo in game to me. it looked well class.
that motorstorm .. i reckon about 10% was ingame but even then it looked class.

[Milanista]

I bet the clip of motorstorm IS the actual gameplay graphics.

[RuneEdge]

These graphics look too good to be true. Is everything in this thread from in-game?

[Milanista]

Supposedly. I believe they are.... would make sense if you look at the system's specs.

[JimJoeC]

That pad MUST have been researched before it was made, I don't believe they'd change it that drastically without some market testing.

Also if that F1 game is in game graphics, HOLY FUCKING SHIT that looks good.

Imagine when we get about two or three years into the PS3 and they start pushing it to it's limits!

PES and GTA are going to look truly amazing.

[Revan]

Amazing pictures! I'm just :eek:

I don't know if this is the official designation, but the ps3 controller is suposed to be called Batarang controller. I read it on gamespy, they have a reputation of making of names. But it sure fits! :mrgreen:

[Milanista]

I hope they remake a wireless version of the dual shock controller for retro fans.

[jumbo]

MICROSOFT GOT KILLED!!!

The PS3 hardware murders Xbox360 in a bright daylight.

X360 has how many exclusive, Perfect Dark? They have no games..

Man, I wanted to get Xbox2 so much... but after seein the Sony conference.. 0_o

[LemonJelly]

It's a bit early to make that kinda statement. I agree that MS have been drastically overshadowed by Sony, they made a big mistake not having enough demos available. However numbers are numbers, the proof will be about the games when they become available to preview/review.

There was equel hype about the launch PS2 and Xbox games and the majority of them were shite. I'm not getting too excited just yet.

[jumbo]

E3 Opinion: Xbox 360 is outgunned and outclassed by Sony's PS3
Illustration
Rob Fahey 07:09 17/05/2005

With both Microsoft and Sony laying their cards on the table over the past week, the opening skirmish of the next-gen console war has tipped heavily in favour of the PlayStation 3 - but the war is only starting, says Rob Fahey.

There was a point, at Microsoft's pre-E3 conference four years ago, when a lot of people began to believe in Xbox. I can pinpoint the moment almost exactly - it was the point when the video of Dead or Alive 3 rolled, and the jaws of the audience slackened as the best in-game graphics they'd ever seen suddenly graced the screens ahead of them. Back when Halo was just another unproven first person shooter, a single swoop over Team Ninja's beautiful, sun-kissed beach was enough to convince many people that Xbox was worthy of attention. I know; I was one of those people.

Walking out of that conference, just a few miles from where I'm sitting now and just a few years back in time, I heard someone - an American journalist - say that Sony had been "totally, like, outclassed". He was right; the PlayStation 2 had just been given a technological kicking by its upstart rival. Not that this would stop Sony from coasting to a comfortable victory by the end of the hardware generation, of course, but the sheer graphical prowess of the Xbox really did give PS2 a bloody nose. Outclassed was the only word for it.

Today, Sony returned the favour. With interest.

Looking at the content of the two conferences today in Los Angeles - and the MTV special last week, in the case of Xbox 360 - "outclassed" is a word that comes to mind a lot. The bar which was set by Microsoft last week has not only been met, it has been vaulted over. PlayStation 3 is more powerful, more fully featured, more innovative and better supported than Xbox 360. When the Sony conference kicked off, we expected to see something "a bit better" than Xbox, technologically. We didn't expect to have our most fundamental beliefs about what next-generation games will be capable of changed. That, however, is exactly what happened.

I don't want to beat on Microsoft too hard, because ultimately there are still quite a few Xbox 360 games I'm looking forward to; but it's hard not to feel that suddenly, Microsoft's hip lingo and celebrity endorsements seem to ring very hollow. Where Microsoft gave us Elijah Wood babbling through a half hour marketing-led special on MTV, Sony had us watching Phil Harrison show off jaw-dropping interactive tech demos on stage. Harrison is about as far from being a hobbit as you can get - I'm not kidding, the man's a giant - and Ken Kutaragi is unlikely to ever have as many screaming fans as The Killers, but Sony seemed to feel that its new console spoke for itself. It didn't need celebrity endorsements, or senior executives trying to be "down with the kids" - thank god.

It's not that Sony would have problems rounding up some impressive celebs if they so desired. Sony Pictures, Sony Music and the PlayStation brand itself could have called out half of Hollywood today. Instead, we got to see a game console that feels genuinely next generation. We weren't told how "cool" a random American sports star thinks PlayStation 3 is, we were told how astonishingly powerful it is and how incredibly feature-packed it is. We're not just talking about a console that's twice as powerful as Xbox 360 in simple, logical terms (and bear in mind that that's a far, far greater gap in power than existed between PS2 and Xbox); we're talking about a console with more functionality, with fewer corners cut and with a genuinely more impressive line-up of software.

If the day could be summed up in a microcosm, it would be Square Enix' story that explained events best. Yoichi Wada, the firm's president, made two stops today. At the Sony conference, he was one of many developers presenting stunning tech demos - in his case, a truly stunning real-time recreation of the opening to Final Fantasy VII, using characters almost as high quality as those seen in the forthcoming Advent Children movie. Within a matter of hours, he had another stop to make - this time with a headline billing at the Microsoft conference, where he revealed that Square Enix will be supporting Xbox 360... With the release of a four year old massively multiplayer game that's already available on PS2 and PC.

Outclassed? Undoubtedly. Sony's hardware, its software, and even its simple display of confidence in its own product have completely outclassed Microsoft today - but while there can be little doubt about the outcome of this particular battle, it'd be a foolish man who assumed that the war was over yet. What Sony has done unto Microsoft today, Microsoft did unto Sony not so many years ago - and software giant is unlikely to take a defeat at E3 lying down. This tug of war has a long way to go yet.

-gamesindustry.biz

Nice.

[Milanista]

When Xbox came out, the specs were higher than PS2, and as expected, GFX was better for their games. Im assuming its going to be the same but this time PS3 being better.

[ThomasGOAL]

X-Box 360 R.I.P. 2005 - 2005

[LemonJelly]

X-Box 360 R.I.P. 2005 - 2005

We don't need any dumb comments like that being made.

:roll:

[ClassicD]

GT Vision to me honestly just looks like GT4 with a load more cars onscreen, but like Dave says it's early days yet.

I'm looking at some trailers now, and assuming they're all in-game stuff as they're tech demos and are showing what's possible with the machine. The Tekken one looks good, but the FFVII one is even better.

[ThomasGOAL]

We don't need any dumb comments like that being made.

:roll:

my condolence :(

[jumbo]

Isn't it funny how the X-Boxer used to be graphic whores and shit and now you go to a gamespot forum and read stuff like "graphics aren't everything, it's games that count"... LOL. Too bad PS3 will have both superior graphics and awesome games. :)

[ClassicD]

Haha I mentioned those two then I watched Killzone, feck me that looks good. They've ripped off the Halo 2 demo we saw last year and elements of Half-Life 2 but it's corkin!

Motor Storm looks very nice too, not so sure it's my type of game though.

[ThomasGOAL]

few videos in better quality than gamespot stream :

http://www.videogamerx.net/bbs/view.php?id=vx01&no=9314

[Milanista]

Look at the short clip of Getaway from the Sony Conference video, its around the 1hr mark of the clip.... truely stunning.

[peat]

on the getaway clip the bloke keeps mentioning "this is what the future of games will be like"
Going off that i am assuming the getaway shots are not "ingame" either.
Or he would say like "this is what the getaway on ps3 is looking like at the moment"
Its doing my head in trying to figure out which ones are proper graphics and which ones are renders. Anything that looks like switching cameras angles and all that im putting down as renders. Thats why killzone is impressing me alot.
its nearly all from the first person viewpoint. thats gotta be ingame.

[kamy100]

The PS3 looks the business!!

I would say that the Killzone and Motor Storm video are definately ingame. What is scary is that if the games look this good at the moment, then a couple of years down the line when developers really get to grips with the system their going to be even better.

[foxtrot]

Getaway looks shit hot. :shock:

Here's hoping that not every car is a Vauxhall Vectra in the final version though. ;)

[RuneEdge]

I'm so desperate to see what Winning Eleven is gonna look like on this.

And as for the pad, We know SONY arent stupid so I'm thinking the pad is probably a lot smaller than it looks so it fits nicely into your hands.

[Slobber]

Some of this looks to good to be true. I hope I am wrong though, but I remember what PS2 games were supposed to look like, and when I seen the actual gameplay clips, it was really really dissapointing

[FlawlessCowboy]

Whats the news on the PS3 and online play? Online play is a huge factor for me, I rarely play single player games as much anymore since getting broadband and XBox Live.

Basically, is there any indication that Sony are going to put up a better fight this time when it comes to online play?

[lumlum]

I read somewhere at IGN that Sony will have an Xbox Live-like service. I think Ken Kutaragi even described it as "Always on, always connected".
Rumors say that Nintendo's Xbox Live type service will be free.

[LemonJelly]

Both consoles are gonna kick ass, thats for sure. That Motor Storm vid was class :D

[lumlum]

Did anyone see a vid of a PS3 game called Motostorm? The graphics look so amazing that I really doubt that they're real-time, if they are then :shock:!

[ruffneckc]

The console looks simple and I like it that way. The font looks like spiderman font? Who Cares? The controller is a bit drastic though! I'll have to play a couple of games with it it to see but i guess if the controllers were the same as the dual shock 2 then people would be a bit disappointed that it was the same thing.

All in all, I really wanna play winning eleven 10 on this baby. Hope they make it a launch title!!

[Milanista]

Imagine the getaway video preview with the fans of WE10...... <drools>

[ash]

Open in Real Player or WMP.
mms://a1234.m.akastream.net/7/1234/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/2005/05/2stream_sonypress_e305_hi.wmv

[FlawlessCowboy]

The KillZone 2 video just blew me away. Truly outstounding

[ash]

Getaway looks AMAZING, so NICE! I have to wait ages for it though.

[crayon]

Looks like PS3 have stolen a march on M$oft. I hope this makes M$ reconsider and thus make a better machine. We want console wars to make the best console ever! All comes down to the games though.

[Dead Man]

With the pad not matching the mchines colour wise i think they might be a test one or one 2 stick next to the machine!

Class looking console tho!

[PESV]

yeah. they look very uuh.. futuristic. it would be like you are on the rear of a star trek battleship.and now ive seen that presentation, i could say thats not far from the truth. what a powerfull system, mindblowing!

btw, anyone stumbled upon some WE10 videos yet?

[ash]

Seriously people watch this: Open in Real Player or WMP.
mms://a1234.m.akastream.net/7/1234/5372/1/gamespot.download.akamai.com/5372/netshow/gslive/2005/05/2stream_sonypress_e305_hi.wmv

2 Hours long, great, the whole PS3 E3 show for you.

[Milanista]

go to around 54minutes for all the GFX.

[ash]

LOL, I havent got an XBOX1, but look at my gamertag LOL.

I watched 1 hour so far, pretty amazing especially the eyeToy guy.

[Kenny M]

just saw the 'unreal engine' demo in that wmv.
i thought it was a fmv until one guy used a controller to zoom in and move about the 3d environment.

simply amazing!

i am edging towards a ps3 now.

[peat]

Im watching that 2hr job now and now seeing the power of the ps3 Im starting to think all the vids released earlier are defo 100% "in game" and not pre-rendered.

[PESV]

killing day, knock out, and motorsomething. jawdropping. the rest was jawdropping too , but those three made my mouth spread even more :)

after the shock, i started thinking about the possibilities for WE10.. and now..im afraid i wont enjoy we8le the same way as i did, knowing how it will look and play laughabily bad in about a year. 8 ways movement, 2d crowd, thats not even funny anymore. i mean who needs backward compatibility when the leap is so big? :)

lol yeah peat i know what u mean. still i cant really confince my mind to it, that it is really realtime, for example killzone, wich i definatly though of as pre rendered before, after the 2 hour move, i can imagine it being ingame. amazing.

[LemonJelly]

It does all look mighty impressive, however I was REALLY pumped up for the PS2 when I saw the tech demos of the "Emotion Engine" and we all know what happened come launch time. Sony are good at creating hype, so are Ms for that matter, I won't believe anything for a good 4 - 6 months yet!

[Sudden strike12]

To be honest i dont really like the look of the console, it looks quite big aswell.

The games on the over hand look really impressive, although i want to wait until i see definante in-game videos. I remember what The Getaway was meant to look like on the PS2, when it came out it wasnt as impressive as the earlier pictures sugested.

[Dead Man]

To be honest i dont really like the look of the console, it looks quite big aswell.

The games on the over hand look really impressive, although i want to wait until i see definante in-game videos. I remember what The Getaway was meant to look like on the PS2, when it came out it wasnt as impressive as the earlier pictures sugested.


Still smaller than 360!

Xbox and there massive consoles no need!

[LemonJelly]

Still smaller than 360!

Xbox and there massive consoles no need!

I actually think the PS3 and 360 are almost identical in size. In fact IGN have the PS3 as being 3" taller and 1" wider. When they were holding the PS3 in the conference it was hardly "small". So I think they will be much closer in size this time around.

Its interesting how MS have gone for the concave look and Sony have gone Convex.

[vincebio]

IS it going to be the end of the winning eleven/pes patches ? I don´t think that in 1 year there will be blu-ray burners such as we have dvd-burners...
Blu-ray has a storage of 25 gb or more, how could we download this and edit such big files ?? ;(


because in 1.5 - 2 years time everyone will be using wideband internet instead of broadband or adsl.....were talking about speeds of up to 50mbps. in the uk the cable compnies like NTL are already getting ready for it.

[videogamingtown]

Im Getting Nervous about this koz i cant see a blu ray burner coming out

we'll have to do with pes pc patching?

Any News On That WE10 Preview?

[Milanista]

I actually think the PS3 and 360 are almost identical in size. In fact IGN have the PS3 as being 3" taller and 1" wider. When they were holding the PS3 in the conference it was hardly "small". So I think they will be much closer in size this time around.

Its interesting how MS have gone for the concave look and Sony have gone Convex.

Gamespot have an oficial measurement. PS3 is almost 1/3 smaller than Xbo360 and is almost half as thin as it.

[videogamingtown]

is that controller wireless anyone?

[mrdjkola]

ps3 will be better then xbox anyways, xbox already showed their shitty new controller, still big still sucks

[FlawlessCowboy]

*cough* Fanboy

We don't need that shit here. I'm sick of it

[ripkord]

start banning them! :)

2006 is looking to be sweet as hell :D

[ThomasGOAL]

technical demo of Gran Turismo

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928379_20050516_screen001.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928379_20050516_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928379_20050516_screen003.jpg

[CW]

ps3 will be better then xbox anyways, xbox already showed their shitty new controller, still big still sucks

You wanna stick with that attitude then do it elsewhere. These fuckin arguments about which console is better do my fucking tits in

[peat]

it said the controllers are wireless using bluetooth 2.0
upto 7 at once as well with no multitap or any of that crap.

Ive just mentioned to my other half that i will be wanting a hdtv flat panel by the end of the year to get ready for the 360 and ps3 .... that didnt go down to well :|
dohhh

[Pires7]

Fukin hell this is amazing.
Killzone looks like perfect graphics (if there is such a thing)

[FlawlessCowboy]

Do we know if these wireless controllers are going to have be charged up or whatnot?

[Milanista]

Just watched the Xbox360 conference, and I must say im not as impressed as the PS3 one. Fifa looks ok, player models are kinda shit.

[LemonJelly]

Just watched the Xbox360 conference, and I must say im not as impressed as the PS3 one. Fifa looks ok, player models are kinda shit.

Yeah I just watched it too Milanista. I'm taken back with the difference in quality, it is kinda shocking. It's almost like its some mistake :shock: .

[videogamingtown]

where can u see the fifa video?

[Milanista]

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html

[Dead Man]

I really do hate fanboys!

If you can afford 2 buy the lot buy em!

The character models on GT5 look a bit off but its only a demo

[peat]

flawless, yeah on the conference video he said the wireless controllers will get a days gameplay out of them before needing charging.

[ThomasGOAL]

where can u see the fifa video?

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html
start Microsoft conference

Fifa movie it's :
1.05.50
1.20.00

[Mo_Zidane]

PS2 controllers can be used for up to 24 hours but then have to be charged up. And the graphic power of the PS2 is great!

[Dead Man]

Damm Fifa looks CRAP!

No change there then

[videogamingtown]

What Do You Guys Expect the price on the ps3 to be?

[Milanista]

Probably a competetive price right away since Xbox360 will be out for a few months already. Im guess around 300-400 USD.

[Dead Man]

Hopefully £250!

[ThomasGOAL]

Demo real time 3D PS3 :

http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615000/vids_1.html

[CW]

I have sat here for a bit and watched some of the PS3 vids, after changing my pants twice I have come to the conclusion that this machine will be amazing

[titeo]

of course its going to be amazing. i mean, look at the PSP, the handheld machine is more power and more capable than the PS2. you know sony is always on top of things. ;)

[Sudden strike12]

The GT5 trailer does show promise. At last there should be more than 6 cars in a race :) The sounds in the video also seem better, but i doubt the real game will sound as good.

The 2nd pic on the other page doesnt look as good as it could be. The trees are still made of card, as well as the fans, but theres still plenty of time till the release :)

[Revan]

mmm, GT as always appeared with great graphics, so i refuse to believe that Polyphony Digital will fail us this time, especially considering the super machine they have! :mrgreen:

Has anybody noticed that the batarang doesn't seems to have R2/L2?

[Milanista]

it does, its in one of the pics on gamespot. I quite like the controller, and its smaller than it looks i think.

[RuneEdge]

Anyone seen the Final Fantasy 7 Tech demo? That just looks so great.
It looked like Advent Children but it was all in-game stuff.
Too bad it isnt a real game though.

[Revan]

it does, its in one of the pics on gamespot. I quite like the controller, and its smaller than it looks i think.

where?.. I can't find them!

[Holio]

OK, time for all the fanboy shite to stop, I've just read through the whole of this thread, and its great to find out new bits of info on the machine, not so good to be reading 'OH SONY WE LOVE YOU, XB IS DEAD'

I just figured out where I have seen the PS3 shape from before, its just a BOSE Lifestyle main unti on its side!!!! ;) Check it out people : http://www.bose.co.uk/home_audio/ht_systems/ls18_II/

As said earlier, it'll be a case of Online gaming winning for me, MS done a very good job with Live. I dont tend to get enough time to play singleplayer games anymore, and so playing a game Online with a bunch of Evo-Webbers is much more fun.

[Slobber]

I just watched the 2 hour video a couple of hours ago. I have to say it wees over anything I've seen from the Xbox 360 easily.

[ThomasGOAL]

New Metal Gear Revealed!
Hideo Kojima speaks about Metal gear Solid: Subsistence. Expect a new camera and online play! First details inside.


Konami is holding its annual E3 press conference as you read this. Right now Hideo Kojima is speaking to attendees about his latest project, Metal Gear Solid: Subsistence.
While some details are still sketchy, our editors in attendance have relayed to us information straight from Mr. Kojima's mouth.

In a nutshell, the game is being billed as something similar to the Substance project, which itself was a product that fell somewhere between an add-on and a sequel. Kojima believes that Subsistence will "complete Snake Eater." It is the ultimate addition for fans of the series.

Set to release exclusively on PlayStation 2 (that's right, two as in ooh...la-la), Metal Gear Solid: Subsistence will feature:


A New Camera System!
For the first time ever, the Metal Gear series will do away with the conventional top down camera in favor of a fully free-roaming third-person camera system our editors confirm is "not fixed."

Online Play!
According to our boys, Subsistence will allow for between one and eight players to participate in online matches separated into two distinct modes. The first of which is being tentatively called "Versus." While we don't know much about win conditions, we do know that it's essentially a player vs. player experience. The second mode is called "Snake Versus his Enemies." Earlky word is that this mode pits snake and other players against computer controlled enemies in what our editors are calling "cat and mouse" gameplay. More details to follow.

Extra Secrets and Goodies!
Players of Subsistence will be able to access a "secret theater" in which tere will be exotic movies, comedy pieces, and other assorted googides and secrets not unlike the Ape Escape bonus to Snake Eater or the various extras in Substance.

Duel Mode!
This mode of gameplay lets Snake relive all of the boss encounters from Snake Eater (though we'd love to also see those from Solid and Sons of Liberty). It can be further broken down into two styles. Normal Duel Mode is an excat recreation of those original encounters, while Tweaked Duel mode allows gamers to alter a variety of unspecificed options and fiddle with the gameplay in general.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/615/615392p1.html

[jumbo]

MGS4 trailer: http://www.konami.jp/gs/movie/e3_2k5_kojima_pro_e.asx

Busy at the moment. :(

[SilverSpider]

Before I start, I am getting both machines Regardless so I ain't leaning to either camp here, I am just merely pointing out some stuff I felt/thought.


So I too have now watched the whole 2 Hour Sony Conference and was blown away by most of the Stuff ... And now like most people I naturally want to just give in to excitement and believe the Sony statements, evidence & Hype ?

BUT

Then you go and see the Xbox 360 Conference Video and Game footage and you start to think ..... "Surely Sony aren't as far in front as That in terms of Graphics ... or are MS being completely Honest with their Game footage whilst Sony exaggerate as in the case of the PS2 ?"


I still don't know what to make at this point ... I really don't ... but what I am sure of is that the Alfred Molina & Duck stuff was Amazing ... Period.


And lastly we then see some worrying info like this, which appears to be from someone who seems to know a thing or two about Proccesors and Flops calculating ....



(from inquirer.net)

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IBM's Cell chip hype is total junk

Letter o't'Day

By The Letterman: Tuesday 17 May 2005, 12:06
SO IBM hypersters are claiming their cell chip can do two teraflops per second. what about the lastest power5??? Go to IBM.com and find out here.

There you can see the latest and fastest power5 dual core processors can do 56.78 Gigaflop/sec in an eight way configuration. That's 16 Power5 cores combined, and the total is only 56.78 gigaflops for 16 lowly Power5 cores, or, about three gigaflops/per core. which makes sense, a float point operation takes more than one clock to finish, and each power5 core has probably two or more FP units...

So, there is no magic, you can't possibly do more than one instruction in one clock in one unit. You can do multiple if you have multiple units. To have 1000gigaflops, you will need 500 units each operate at two gigaflops.

A teraflop means 1000 gigaflops, so IBM is claiming that one PS3 is 2000% faster than an eight way power5 server selling at half a million bucks??

This is stupid.

Dave Y

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Worrying .... as if its True it means Sony are trying to pull another Emotion Engine on us ? and lots of People will feel quite Deflated as was the case with the "realisation" of the PS2's Actual Power.


Again as always .... Time will Tell ... :(


Cheers

[ThomasGOAL]

MGS 4 trailer work !!

http://www.videogamerx.net/bbs/view.php?id=usernews&no=3557

[hubneo]

Killzone 2, not real-time 3D

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/615/615152p1.html?ui=rssFeed

http://www.nofrag.com/2005/mai/17/17488/

edit: same story again and again... http://megasoccer.free.fr/sites/mouton/3.htm#3

[gerd]

Never quite understood the animosity between MS and Sony fans...i'm no fan but uptill now i only had Playstation. I certainly won't buy both consoles...But i'm hesitating. I'm not that technical but i read the Playsation 3 will be more powerfull than the XBox 360...BUT i think you guys forget something. Being first this time MS has a big advantage towards Sony, they can make exclusivity deals with game developpers...and it's all about games and not about the consoles (well to be frank: i play PES for 95% of the time). I think i will wait and see.

[dsgg]

wait and see is what i will be doing for once but then i say that every fucking time and then chuck £300 at the game store. but from what i have seen i think ps3 is already winning good,bad i dont know. as for the 360 i cant help but feel really let down. and nintendo well i think they want to start thinking about going the same way as sega

[Dead Man]

wait and see is what i will be doing for once but then i say that every fucking time and then chuck £300 at the game store. but from what i have seen i think ps3 is already winning good,bad i dont know. as for the 360 i cant help but feel really let down. and nintendo well i think they want to start thinking about going the same way as sega

For christ sake SEGA????

Nintendo are loaded they have no need as they dont have 2 sell games 2 Europe and they will still break even

[dsgg]

yep without the gameboy they would be fucked and i think the psp is going to hurt them big time there. as for consoles i think there wasting there time when they could be making great games imo

[Elite]

That mgs4 trailer is hilarious hahaha! Now i really want to get started with mgs3 snake eater hehe

[LemonJelly]

E3 2005: PS3 Price Revealed?
One of the most expensive consoles ever created, according to Japanese reports.
by Matt Casamassina

May 17, 2005 - According a an article published in the May 17th edition of Japan's Mainichi Shimbun, the PlayStation 3 could be one of the most expensive mass-market videogame consoles ever created. Officials from Sony apparently told the newspaper that PlayStation 3s would sell in Japan for "less than 50,000 yen each." That translates to about $465 US dollars.

Sony unveiled its next-generation console at the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2005. The beast of a machine utilizes the powerful Cell processor, a custom-designed graphics chip by Nvidia, and 512MBs of RAM for a quantum leap in performance. The system will also be the first-ever to support high-def movie-playback out of the box, taking advantage of the upcoming Blu-ray Disc format.

Sony claims that PS3 will be roughly 35 times more powerful than PS2. If Mainichi Shimbun is correct, gamers will be asked to pay a hefty price for the high-end functionality.

IGN was unable to validate this news with Sony officials. Stay tuned for more as the story breaks.

[Stringer Bell]

The playstation 3 looks really nice and slick. But the controller bothers me.

I can't wait to get my hands on it though.

[Clockender]

I ain't paying that price for a games console....if this right looks like it will be 2007 at least before I get one :(

[ThomasGOAL]

Killzone 2, not real-time 3D

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/615/615152p1.html?ui=rssFeed

http://www.nofrag.com/2005/mai/17/17488/

edit: same story again and again... http://megasoccer.free.fr/sites/mouton/3.htm#3

Of course Hubneo, Sony say only tech demo and EA games are in real time 3D !

what do not want to say that killzone will not be like that, to perhaps better see same... ;)

[Milanista]

Killzone 2, not real-time 3D

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/615/615152p1.html?ui=rssFeed

http://www.nofrag.com/2005/mai/17/17488/

edit: same story again and again... http://megasoccer.free.fr/sites/mouton/3.htm#3

Watch the video and you will understand.

[LemonJelly]

Of course Hubneo, Sony say only tech demo and EA games are in real time 3D !

what do not want to say that killzone will not be like that, to perhaps better see same... ;)

But thats the problem, nobody has any idea what the PS3 games are going to look like. Polished mock up intros, which is all the Killzone demo is, has no relevance on what the final product will be like.

I guess I'm just too cautious about believing this kinda thing, I've seen it all before.

[PESV]

think halflife 2 times 35. the specs are a fact. and if those are a fact then what is holding developers back to make the graphics they used to pre-render, now in realtime? and calculation power is not restricted to graphics. every character can have his own complex AI, the whole world can have his own intelligent weather system, every tree can react to rain and grow. these are all things that could be done before, but noone would implent because cpu power could be used in other ways. not they dont have to set priorities anymore, they can throw it all in.

its shocking, it takes getting used too, but in the end its quite believable considering the specs. they are not making a machine for just 1 year, this one has to hold up for another 5/6 years.

but yeah, i have to see it to believe it too. somehow were so used to getting dissapointed by these hypes that we dont dare to believe them anymore. i hope were wrong this time.

[LemonJelly]

every character can have his own complex AI, the whole world can have his own intelligent weather system, every tree can react to rain and grow. these are all things that could be done before, but noone would implent because cpu power could be used in other ways. not they dont have to set priorities anymore, they can throw it all in.

Wow you should work for Sony/MS ;) just kidding :D

[PESV]

hehe yea i can see now im sounding a bit like a member of the marketing crew =]
its just that i dont like sceptizism. and what about the killing day trailer. that looked like real gameplay to me?

[Stringer Bell]

Look at these screens of formula one:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614818/formula-one-ps3-20050516075514741.jpg

Just imagine a celebrations like that in WE10/PES6.

[peat]

Yes I agree on killing day looking like being ingame.
Theres one thing in the killzone vid that makes me think its in game
its when they land and get off those wierd transporters. The camera seems to switch from a floaty type to being locked on the fps view.
That reminds me of other fps games out at the moment where the intro to the level is rendered but then it smoothly switches to your actual fps view and you start playing.
Call of duty on pc does it I think.

To me, if your going to do prerendered stuff you have nice camera views from all over the place which is what you see in the motorstorm, Pgr3 etc vids but in the killzone, killing day and the insomiac one they are all in fps view and stay there.

Either way next-gen games are gona look better than what we have now
so that can only be a good thing!

[ThomasGOAL]

3D real time Unreal under PS3 better quality :

http://www.gamekult.com/go.html?RD=http%3A%2F%2Fupsilandre%2Efree%2Efr%2Fv ideos%2Fsonycon%5Fdemos%5Funreal%5F01%5Fqthigh%2Em ov

[diggiboy]

Oh man they both look good. XBOX 360 def. looks better than the old XBOX but I just have to choose PS3 over XBOX 360. The graphics are AMAZING, god can only know whats in store for us when WE10 etc..comes around..

[rockykabir]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/615/615465p1.html

I think Spiderman accounted for something crazy like 38% of Sony's profits in 2003. I think Spiderman 2 was even more :shock:

Maybe they think they can continue the luck with the same font?

XBox 360's early arrival can be the pivoting point if MS can really sort out their marketing tho'

[jumbo]

Not only is KillZone2 real-time, it's only about 2 months of development so it doesn't even come close to the finished product will be like.

The XBoyz need to stfu with Killzone being a pre-render coz it's not. It's been proven times and times again by people who attended the Sony conference and had backstage access.

The Xbox2 lineup looks poor with a bunch of multiplatform games. The system itself is weak. Take it out on somebody else.

[SilverSpider]

Maybe they think they can continue the luck with the same font?

Does anyone else think that the "Playstation 3" Font/Logo is just a Temporary thing on the console until they show or come up with more of a "PS3" Logo .... simliar to what they did with the angular PS2 Logo that is on that machine.


I have a sneaky feeling that Logo/Font you see on it now, won't be used on the Final PS3 Design.

[peat]

I personally dont care what the consoles look like.
I would prefer sony/MS to concentrate all their efforts on making the guts work really well rather than the aesethetics work well.
I think looking at it at the moment it seems Sony have put all their RD money on the guts and didnt have any money left for the design and MS have spent quite a bit on design and had to skimp on the guts, putting in soon to be out of date pc bits.

[rockykabir]

Does anyone else think that the "Playstation 3" Font/Logo is just a Temporary thing on the console until they show or come up with more of a "PS3" Logo .... simliar to what they did with the angular PS2 Logo that is on that machine.


I have a sneaky feeling that Logo/Font you see on it now, won't be used on the Final PS3 Design.

It does look a bit odd tho - like they just slapped it on in the last minute. I can't imagine a company like Sony who spends millions on marketing will use the same font as one their other biggest productions in recent times.

[Revan]

Sony themselves said that the console and controller design might change from the final product!
Of course I doubt the change will be much considering it's less than a year away from the release! Maybe the font will change! lol

[RuneEdge]

The design of the DS changed at the last moment before its release.
I'm sure SONY could do the same.

[videogamingtown]

i quite like the design but the controller points are a bit too long

[Milanista]

I actually like that controller. I think its smaller than everyone thinks it is.

[Kenny M]

i think the reason behind the controller is so that you can hold it lower down on the arm, thus making the left analogue stick easier to control as it will be further up.

one thing i hated about the dual shock is the position of the left analogue stick.

[videogamingtown]

your prolly right i bet it has a nice feel

[Sudden strike12]

If you're meant to hold it lower down, how comes the shoulder buttons seem so high?

[LemonJelly]

Yep you are definately meant to hold it lower down...as demonstrated.

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/scoopex-batman.jpg

[Bule]

I really want to see what will be like the new Winnig Eleven. :)

I like it, but i think that it will be 800$ or 700$, when it comes to Turkey. :(

[Milanista]

Xbox 360 is quite fat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/incorporealistic/ps3Xbox.jpg

The plugs are the same size, so its quite a legit comparison.

[ThomasGOAL]

X-Box 360 it's just a PC desktop ? :lmao:

I joke, i don't think the different are so big

[Kenny M]

could someone post the comparison in size using the images of the cd trays as well?

[LemonJelly]

Xbox 360 is quite fat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/incorporealistic/ps3Xbox.jpg

The plugs are the same size, so its quite a legit comparison.

That is a joke...hahaha! You call that a comparison?? Watch the Sony conference again and when they guy picks the machine up it looks exactly the same, scale wise, as the 360 when that was being held.

[Milanista]

The ps3 wont have a huge plug on the back for nothing. Also from an outside view of someone holding a machine is different. Hold your Xbox from a distance and it looks almost as big as a PS2.

[LemonJelly]

I don't understand what you mean by that. Comparing them now, when the PS3's design isn't final is a little pointless. I just think you will be surprised at how similar they are in size (currently).

[Kenny M]

in that picture, the ps3 is placed further away from the 360 making it look smaller.

[Milanista]

in that picture, the ps3 is placed further away from the 360 making it look smaller.

Why are the plugs the same size then?



http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image
Nice comparison of the 2 systems.

[Kenny M]

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/608/608394/xbox-360-faq-20050428074528991-000.jpg



Why are the plugs the same size then?


i don't know, i'm just pointing out that error.

[lumlum]

You do know that it's been reported everywhere that the PS3 is the biggest console, even bigger than the original Xbox. That doesn't explain the pic though.

[Milanista]

Im just hoping its thin enough to suit my TV system.

[rockykabir]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41152000/jpg/_41152949_kutaragi203_b.jpg

Looks massive.........who gives a fudge anyway? I hardly see my PS2 anyway

[Revan]

I read on many places that the ps3 is the roughly the same size as the PS2, not the slim version of course! I expected a smaller system still, but as long it looks cool and fits on the same place where I have my PS2, it wil be fine!

[JayM]

Maybe that guy's just a midget, that's why it looks huge, though IGN do say the 360 is smaller.

[Milanista]

IGN says the Xb360 is approx the same as Xbox.

[the_thing]

a better view of the controller
http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/article/615/615987/e3-2005-playstation-3-pics-20050518113522253.jpg
you can just barely see the L2 button but its there.

[Dead Man]

Man that console looks ugly!

Dont know y but what do you guys think?

[diggiboy]

Man PS3 looks sweet..cant wait to get that sh!t...

[Sudden strike12]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41152000/jpg/_41152949_kutaragi203_b.jpg

Looks massive.........who gives a fudge anyway? I hardly see my PS2 anyway

The PS3 does look horrible, and TOO big.

Funny how people didnt like the xbox cos it was too big, but now they're willing to accept the PS3 !

[diggiboy]

For the love of god..the guy is nearly 4" tall.. why are you complaining.. size doesnt matter performance does..

[Revan]

Well, I like the design.
I see all sort of contradictory news. One saying PS3 is smaller than X360, other saying it's bigger, some saying it's the same size as the Xbox, some saying it's the size of the PS2.
From what I see, and read, the size is the one of the PS2. X360 is a little smaller!
And I still can't detect the L2/R2 buttons. Are they that small?

[SPMC]

PS3 is gonna pack alot of power!!!
have you seen the sony press conference?
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html

hated the microsoft press conference after that !!!

[peat]

has anyone watched the ingame trailer for dark sectors yet
the 68 mg one on ign?
i cant get to watch it here. doh

[Dead Man]

Well, I like the design.
I see all sort of contradictory news. One saying PS3 is smaller than X360, other saying it's bigger, some saying it's the same size as the Xbox, some saying it's the size of the PS2.
From what I see, and read, the size is the one of the PS2. X360 is a little smaller!
And I still can't detect the L2/R2 buttons. Are they that small?

U can just about see em look closely!

Use the force!

Star Wars Ep 3 cant wait!

Sorry bout that! ;)

[PESV]

what about the desktop pc ur all sitting behind. talk about ugly and big! :p

[peat]

someone told me that the games news on c4 teletext is saying that all the vids were not pre-rendered and sony are sticking by it.
if thats true and ALL were by the PS3 then its time to quack in me pants.

[Sudden strike12]

size doesnt matter performance does..

I bet you didnt say that about the xbox though, did you ?

[LemonJelly]

someone told me that the games news on c4 teletext is saying that all the vids were not pre-rendered and sony are sticking by it.
if thats true and ALL were by the PS3 then its time to quack in me pants.

Ah yes, Ch4 Teletext, that well known and respected source for all technology information :D

We will NEVER know whether is was real or not. Let's move on from that discussion point and enjoy what we have seen so far.

[gerd]

This thread gives me more information about the people discussing than about the consoles...Never thought people could be fanatical about bloody machines...bring George Orwell back!!!!

[Siroco]

This thread gives me more information about the people discussing than about the consoles...Never thought people could be fanatical about bloody machines...bring George Orwell back!!!!

shit, it's pretty tame and level headed around here compared to many other forums discussing the new consoles and press conferences.

[diggiboy]

I bet you didnt say that about the xbox though, did you ?


I knew XBOX was more powerful than PS2.. but I was never a fan of XBOX.. Like I said console size shouldn`t matter..

[LemonJelly]

shit, it's pretty tame and level headed around here compared to many other forums discussing the new consoles and press conferences.

Yep agreed, and please keep it that way. We don't want any obsessive fanboys on this site.

[peat]

ahh reactor you may mock C4 teletext but the gaming section is written by proper games journalists and I actually find they do more fair and proper reviews than most magazines that you have to pay 6 quid for. Most of the time they speak alot of sense too.
Personally I listen to what they say alot more than OPS2M or Edge or any of them planks.

[mrdjkola]

who cares about the size of the console ???


i hardly see my ps2 anyways, i really dont care about size or anything, what i relaly care is the graphics and the performance it will have .... Please dont stuck on the size this much, that doesnt matter, they need bigger console for bigger/better things.

[CW]

In what would represent a massive break with tradition for the company, Sony Computer Entertainment America boss Kaz Hirai has suggested that the PlayStation 3 may not launch in Japan first.

Hirai dismissed rumours that Sony has already decided to follow the console's Japanese launch with a US release in the autumn, telling the CNBC network: "We haven't determined which territory we will go with first this time around just yet.

"We will have to look at development and how things are coming along in terms of manufacture and all the other logistical things to determine which territory or multiple territories go first."

Which could of course mean a simultaneous worldwide launch, as Microsoft has planned for Xbox 360 this November.

Hirai isn't worried that MS will steal Sony's market share by getting in there first, however. "It is not being first in marketing, it is being able to provide a content palette that is going to grow the business," he said.

"We have had a leadership position in the past 10 years and come up against a different variety of companies. With the content support that we are getting from all of our third-party publishing partners, and the technology we pack into PlayStation 3, I'm confident we will keep that position another 10 years."

All of Sony's previous consoles have debuted in Japan before hitting US and European shores, the most recent example being the PSP - which has had its European launch delayed until September due to manufacturing shortages.

Thats an interesting one though I will only believe it when I see it

[RuneEdge]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41152000/jpg/_41152949_kutaragi203_b.jpg

C'mon. Just look at the guy. He's in pain cuz its too big heavy.

[peat]

I see on IGN they interviewed the Killzone bods and they said
"Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make."

so it is pre-rendered then but they reckon they can make it that good.

Further down all the IGN editors say "yeah those graphics are possible....on PS4!"
Ah well, no need to quack in me pants yet then.
At least the games will look 35 times nicer than ps2 though so its not all bad news :)

[SilverSpider]

Confirmation that the Controller is at the moment a "Conceptual Design" ...


http://img.engadget.com/common/images/4622841285227142.JPG
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3857643553131632.JPG

[Slobber]

No triggers? That sucks.

[Dead Man]

Aint final!

[Revan]

good, I wans't a big fan of it!

peat if that's true then Sony might have a big problem on their hands.

[Milanista]

I love that controller.

[Siroco]

I love that controller.

It doesn't bother me as much as others. I can see it being comfortable in the hand, if you held it more towards the top of the handles, rather than at the bottom, which obviously would put the shoulder buttons (and much of everything else) out of reach.