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jpred88
24 April 05, 11:04
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/8755/xbox360b0zn.jpg
http://www.xbox.com/en-gb
-dragonskin-
24 April 05, 11:08
http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/xbox360.jpg
Another one
FlawlessCowboy
24 April 05, 11:40
Are these definately official pictures?
-dragonskin-
24 April 05, 11:51
Yep
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35512&subsectionid=1586
jpred88
24 April 05, 14:10
The controllers are also going to be wireless :)
biggertam
24 April 05, 17:55
yip looks good much better than thier first effort with xbox1.
cowden_harley
24 April 05, 18:12
cany wait will be quality wonder how next gen pro evo will look?
what about the size?
Ps2 was already a bick brick, not even counting the xbox.
On gamespy there is the ad bout the xbox. doen'st show the console, but the colors stick! green green! :mrgreen:
and I hate memory cards. Is it time MS and Sony give up about it.
the option should be available if someone wants to take is mem card to a friends house. Well if Hd is available, logic dictates we won't need one! :applause:
Slobber
24 April 05, 20:46
Look cool. I'll definitely get one when it comes out. :mrgreen:
numberoneson
25 April 05, 00:30
XBOX are promoting the console on MTV for the 'unvieling' on the 23rd of May i think. It's gonna be on MTV worldwide over the space of 2 days, UK of the second day.
elijah wood is gonna b hosting it. Should be fun.
on mtv on the 12th . dunno when in the uk though :/
http://www.darkhak.com/videos/XBOX_Final_30_with_audio.mov
Looks sleek. As for getting it when it comes out Mikey, I'd bide your time and watch the price drop.
Slobber
25 April 05, 11:17
I don't mean get it on release date, I will hold out for a couple of months for the usual price drops. :)
ThomasGOAL
25 April 05, 11:21
Logo :
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/56/45/ME0000564583_2.jpg
numberoneson
25 April 05, 11:39
on mtv on the 12th . dunno when in the uk though :/
http://www.darkhak.com/videos/XBOX_Final_30_with_audio.mov
Day after i think, remember reading it in work last week
Stringer Bell
25 April 05, 12:19
So this is official the new X-Box is going look like the above.
So how much is it and when is it coming out (can't go on the link right now, i am at school and they've got that internet block thing).
Placebo
25 April 05, 12:23
I'll be at E3 so I'll be interested in seeing what Microsoft are showing of the Xbox2 :)
Chris Bauer
25 April 05, 12:43
XBOX 360 = XBOX 2, am I right?
And am I the only one to think it looks fooking AWFUL (as well as that "logo")?
Milanista
25 April 05, 13:01
I like the logo.
jpred88
25 April 05, 13:03
Pro Evo 5 is going to be released on PS2 and Xbox, not PS3 and Xbox 360.
Milanista
25 April 05, 13:11
Yep, we knew that already. WE9 is the last game for PS2 - in Europe its PES5.
ClassicD
25 April 05, 14:07
They're not 'official' in that MS didn't release them and neither have they confirmed them, but it does seem pretty certain that they're real. I quite like the look of the machine, but I don't like the ominous memory card slots, are we going to be forced to use them (and thus buy them) or do we get a HDD (does that say 40GB on the side there?)?
Logo :
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/56/45/ME0000564583_2.jpg
That seriously fucks with my eyes 8-[
jonneymendoza
25 April 05, 16:11
tahts a fake logo
SilverSpider
25 April 05, 16:32
From what we can see of it, I have to say I love the look of the new Machine.
I can see me getting all carried away and buying this at Launch especially if I have my 50-60" HiDef TV by then :)
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1488407751772606.JPG
SilverSpider
7 May 05, 23:45
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1387385638449262.JPG
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8390731317563729.JPG
Cheers for that ClassicD :)
Guys, I don't want to be a Tart and start moaning before its even revealed properly but I can't help myself on this one ............ ;-)
Come on that D-Pad is pish again and it basically rules out the chance of having any Genre defining beat me-ups on the console as it won't have the same level of control as the PS3 Version where applicable .... Soul Calibur 4 as a possible example ?
Why don't they just give in to their pride and shamelessly rip-off the Sony D-Pad design ... it works so well and should've become the standard for the Industry :(
Oh well a shit D-Pad for the next 5 Years again ... could be worse I suppose.
Anyway onto the cooler stuff what about that Spherical Button that is basically the new "XBOX" Logo .... it has 4 possible settings by the looks of it ?
Also looks like they are deffo 100% Wireless controllers and a possible plug in jack on the bottom edge of the pad ... New live headset possibly ?
Oh well its all very interesting :mrgreen:
that pad is pure rubbish.bah.
LemonJelly
8 May 05, 11:40
I actually like the current Controller S for the XBox so if the 360 version is identical then I will be happy. I don't give a flying feck about beatem-up's so it's no loss to me. The analog triggers on the xbox controller are perfect for driving games and shooters (imo) so I'm happy.
I'm more excited about the 360 than the PS3 at the moment.
The dpads are terrible though in xbox joypads though
God that thing will be boggin with in the week in my room :S . looks like I will be investing in a faceplate
FlawlessCowboy
8 May 05, 21:38
that pad is pure rubbish.bah.
It looks practically the same as the S-Type Pad!
I actually like the current Controller S for the XBox so if the 360 version is identical then I will be happy. I don't give a flying feck about beatem-up's so it's no loss to me. The analog triggers on the xbox controller are perfect for driving games and shooters (imo) so I'm happy.
I'm more excited about the 360 than the PS3 at the moment.
Thats becuse you have not seen or heard anything about the PS3!
D-Pad is CRAP!
billsterno1
8 May 05, 22:37
I hope they don't use the same style of pad cos it is absolute bollocks for playing pro evo. And your right dead man the d-pad is wank.
It sucks!
And the pad is ridicolous...is the S pad in white colour LOL
FlawlessCowboy
8 May 05, 23:51
Why fix something that ain't broke? I love the S-Pad!
I hate most pads except the SNES pad and the Playstation pad.
Its cuz that all the others favour a certain type of game. The N64 and XBox pads favour FPS games which you can easily tell by the triggers.
The Gamecube pad is only good for platform and RPGs cuz it has this BIG button thats used for selecting menus or jumping in a platformer.
The Megadrive pad was for beat em ups cuz it had 6 face buttons and made it hard to press several buttons at the same time (which you usually dont have to in a beat em up).
The SNES and Playstation pads had a lot of buttons which were evenly spread out and easy to reach which means that EVERY game feels right with the pad. Has anyone EVER whilst playing on a PS2 thought "I wish I was able to use a <insert console> pad for this game"? The answer is no.
XBox was made for games like Halo so I expected the pad to look the way it does.
Has anyone EVER whilst playing on a PS2 thought "I wish I was able to use a <insert console> pad for this game"? The answer is no.
I have, when playing racing games like Colin McRae Rally it feels much better using trigger buttons for braking and accelerating than the face buttons on the PS2 pad.
I wouldnt worry about the pad that much, you get used to playing PES with the XB pad.
I wouldnt worry about the pad that much, you get used to playing PES with the XB pad.[/QUOTE]
You will now as the black n white buttons are on top of the pad!
I have, when playing racing games like Colin McRae Rally it feels much better using trigger buttons for braking and accelerating than the face buttons on the PS2 pad.
I wouldnt worry about the pad that much, you get used to playing PES with the XB pad.
Then why dont you try L2 and R2 instead of triggers? They work as normal shoulder buttons AND triggers. Which is why those buttons are bigger than L1 and R1.
Anyway, I dont really get excited about a console until I know there are some good games coming out on it. Are there any good games planned for this?
LemonJelly
9 May 05, 11:44
L2 and R2 are not analog triggers like on the xbox controller. There is no where near the same level of control.
PGR3 WILL be a launch title and it will rock, I have no doubt whatsoever where that is concerned, there is talk of HALO 2.5, improved visuals etc but it will be conpatibile with Halo2 players on Live with the old XB. After that expect the usual EA Sports offering. Watch the MTV programme this Friday at 8pm GMT about the XB360 unveiling party. No doubt there should be a few titles on show then, otherwise just log on the web for E3 stuff.
L2 and R2 are not analog triggers like on the xbox controller. There is no where near the same level of control.
Thats true but its a close alternative. Games always use L2 and R2 as the shoot buttons in FPSs on PS2.
My point is that the PS2 pad is good for all games where as the XBox pads are only good for certain games.
Thats true but its a close alternative. Games always use L2 and R2 as the shoot buttons in FPSs on PS2.
My point is that the PS2 pad is good for all games where as the XBox pads are only good for certain games.
Disagree with you there pal. The analogue sticks on the PS2 pad are awful, too big, flat and clumsy. You can never get a proper grip having to re-set your thumbs every 30 seconds. The Xbox sticks have much nicer feedback and the fact they are more elevated and have a proper indent/groove in them means your thumb rarely becomes unstuck.
The build quality of Xbox pads is vastly superior to the PS2. ALL of mine have broken L1/L2/R1/R2 buttons. By contrast I still have the old skool, massive Xbox original pads, which are hideous but designed very well for playing.
You have a fair point. I have something rattling in mines cuz something broke inside.
But I'd still prefer a PS2 pad over anything when I play games like PES, Tekken, MGS, THUG2, etc.
I cant imagine having to use another pad for those games.
Milanista
10 May 05, 15:32
2 types of Xbox Live:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)
Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver
# Also for Offline
- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players’ Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *
360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture
Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR
Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus
Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels
Sudden strike12
10 May 05, 15:40
I hope thats all true :)
ThomasGOAL
10 May 05, 15:53
LOL, no Blu Ray Disk or HD-DVD ??
SilverSpider
10 May 05, 16:14
Any links to the Source of this info Milanista ?
Cheers Mate.
Milanista
10 May 05, 16:35
Got it from endgadget and torrentspy, apparently its been leeked and every game site has that info.
SilverSpider
10 May 05, 18:02
Got it from endgadget and torrentspy, apparently its been leeked and every game site has that info.
Weird, as I had a look on Engadget.com straight after you posted and didn't see anything there ... anyway no worries Mate ;-)
Thanks Again.
Milanista
10 May 05, 18:28
search xbox, its the 2nd article.
Interesting stuff. I like the sound of Wifi ready. I can remove all me sodding Cat5 then!
Just think the Ps3 is supposedly more powerful than the 360, thats gona be even more interesting!
(I just read the Ps3 is still on for Blu-ray/hd-dvd)
I just watched the next gen mov of that Dark sectors. Looks like their using most of the extra power for special effects like lighting and smoke/steam. The only thing that struck me as kind of cool was when the bloke had his neck broken, his eyes went up into his head.
Just think of PES5... they could animate the dopeyness of Rooney + C Ronaldo, the popping veins in SAFs head, maybe animate Alan Smiths mouth and be able to see him F ing and blinding every 5 seconds! :)
Apparently there was an XBox 360 Ad aired `accidentally` in the States over the weekend revealing that it will be released in November
2 types of Xbox Live:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)
Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver
# Also for Offline
- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players’ Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *
360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture
Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR
Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus
Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels
The console specifications above, which were posted to the Internet this week, are largely consistent with previous leaks about the Xbox 360 hardware - but a number of unusual flaws in the document, pointed out by development sources, suggest that this is not an official Microsoft document.
"It's most probably a list made by someone who knows more about the official spec than the average hack, but I doubt it's an official Microsoft spec sheet," we were told by one developer who has experience of the new format.
"It's probably broadly in line with the spec that will be announced, but may be off on some of the finer details," he added.
jonneymendoza
10 May 05, 19:08
the pad looks like the dreamcast pad, only with a added analoge stick
LemonJelly
11 May 05, 09:12
Has there been any mention of backwards compatability? I presume as you can play against Xbox Live players as well as 360 players that it must be.
Is it nme or does it just look like a PC tower?
Still it's not how it looks it's how it performs I guess.
I read that if you get it with the hard drive then its backwards compatible
not sure if thats true or not.
Sounds it could be right though as xbox games at the moment make use of a hard drive.
Sudden strike12
11 May 05, 16:42
It hardly looks like a PC. Its only 2 cd drives tall, curves in the middle, and is about half the thickness
Who really cares what it looks like anyway, everyone accepted the Xbox, which didnt look that nice and was too big, as long as it fits under the TV...... ;)
billsterno1
13 May 05, 15:25
So did any of our American members watch the xbox 360 launch program on MTV?? Was it any good?
It's on tonight for us bill.
billsterno1
13 May 05, 15:38
Yeh 8pm isn't it. I'm just impatient though :D
LemonJelly
13 May 05, 15:38
I don't think the programme itself will reveal all that much. You are much better off watching the following clip, which gives an in-depth look at the system. No game shots though.
http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv
Any decent game footage is probably being held back for E3 next week.
ThomasGOAL
13 May 05, 15:39
few x-box 360 games videos :
http://www.xbox-mag.net/11-jeux-xbox-360-en-videos__7629.html
NBA Live 06 :shock: , maybe look like not playable game.
billsterno1
13 May 05, 15:47
HOLY SHIT!!!
It looks fucking amazing!! Cheers for the vid mate :D
Stringer Bell
13 May 05, 15:49
PGR3 WILL be a launch title and it will rock, I have no doubt whatsoever where that is concerned, there is talk of HALO 2.5, improved visuals etc but it will be conpatibile with Halo2 players on Live with the old XB. After that expect the usual EA Sports offering. Watch the MTV programme this Friday at 8pm GMT about the XB360 unveiling party. No doubt there should be a few titles on show then, otherwise just log on the web for E3 stuff.
Thanks for the info :)
Still suprised the x-box 360 is official.
Milanista
13 May 05, 15:57
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm
Official Microsoft Specs released.
ThomasGOAL
13 May 05, 15:57
official picts :
http://www.gamekult.com/tout/actus/articles/A0000040875.html
Saw it on the web today. Looks like a Dell desktop! Oh well, at least its a step out but it doesn't seem to be a vast improvement on anything we have now, to me.
billsterno1
13 May 05, 17:12
Saw it on the web today. Looks like a Dell desktop! Oh well, at least its a step out but it doesn't seem to be a vast improvement on anything we have now, to me.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
It looks bulky!
I don't want a white brick near my TV!
any info on the size?
and it doesn't look like that the wireles controllers will be sold with the box!
God knows how much of a loss they will make on each console , Hell they make a loss on the current xbox as it is . and there planning on the $300 - $400 mark .
only saw a 2 second clip but the new pgr . wow :o
Yeah, PGR was the one thing that caught my eye too. Think I'll wait 2 years before I buy one.:D
jonneymendoza
13 May 05, 18:01
and get it ch** by that time heheheh...
the design is basic, nothing special
It looks better than the current XBox, the plain black one anyway. From what I have read you can change the fascias on it too.
I am looking forward to it
Yeah, PGR was the one thing that caught my eye too. Think I'll wait 2 years before I buy one.:D
here!
It's unlikely MS will drop the price of the X360 b4 PS3 is launched.
But if they start at about 300-350€, Sony might have a decent fight in their hands!
But for me it will always come down to the games. If it has MSG, Pro Evo, i'll consider it! Since PGR the next best thing to GT!
Of course X360 looks alot better than Xbox. But the controllers haven't convinced me yet.
Im kinda like RuneEgde on this one. PS controllers are the best overall!
Release date is for the end of the year right?
Have high hopes for PS3 and Revolution as they have more dev time!
Will get a 360 tho as i buy everything new!
SAD GIT!
anyone seen the madden 2006 vid?
if thats in game graphics then that is f*cking amazing.
Problem is I looked at that and went wow wow wowzers then I looked at the test drive vid and was thinking thats a crock of crap. Ive seen better graphics on a gizmondo!
wierddd
http://downloads.game.net/game.net/movies/x360ourcolony_hi.zip
check this vid out.
Its much smaller compared to the current xbox..... Looks awesome... the guy is holding it in one hand..... so it can't be heavy either. Also shows you can change the facias ... so you can mod you box
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/608/608394/xbox-360-faq-20050428074528991.jpg
Milanista
13 May 05, 20:06
Nice vid JSN, very impressive.
That was the worst thing I've ever watched, for content of something I was expecting and not getting anything. :(
What a waste of my life, I want my 25mins back.
The damn add they showed in the ad break had more info than the whole program!!!
That was the worst thing I've ever watched, for content of something I was expecting and not getting anything. :(
What a waste of my life, I want my 25mins back.
The damn add they showed in the ad break had more info than the whole program!!!
Thanks for that MTV, that was the biggest waste of time ever. The link JSN posted shows a lot more and is 20 minutes shorter
LemonJelly
13 May 05, 20:35
The MTV show was just "MTV at the XBox LA Party", it was never advertised like it was actually gonna say anything about the console.
Still I agree, it was a total waste of time. Roll on E3.
LemonJelly
13 May 05, 20:57
PGR3 Screen...rendered it might be, but I like it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/viwag1/PGR3screen.jpg
Sudden strike12
13 May 05, 22:19
Apparently it is meant to be in game, i hope so anyway :)
man,,, this time the GAMES BETTER LOOK much closer to their INTRO'S , IM NOT PAYING LOADS OF MONEY FOR SOME RENDERING, EDITED SCREENSHOTED games nor the console.
That's disgustingly good-looking.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get it at 60fps, it'd make a fecking change!
in the video posted there, they only show what kind of entairtanment that xbox 360 do, thats not really what is being looked in a game console, we'll see how the games run, we'll see how the graphics look, who really fucking cares for games trailers and shit on a xbox, we can do all that in our computers... stupid fucks, roll on PS3
Sudden strike12
13 May 05, 22:48
And whats gonna make the PS3 so damn good ........... ?
Sony said they are "Pulling out all the stops" to get the PS3 to release in 2005, sounds like they're worried by the 360 :)
And whats gonna make the PS3 so damn good ........... ?
Sony said they are "Pulling out all the stops" to get the PS3 to release in 2005, sounds like they're worried by the 360 :)
Yea giving them a headstart!
Its common sense
And whats gonna make the PS3 so damn good ........... ?
Sony said they are "Pulling out all the stops" to get the PS3 to release in 2005, sounds like they're worried by the 360 :)
why would they be scared of xbox, playstation is real console because imo they are more focused on the graphics, the gameplay and etc instead of like xbox more focused on entairtament like game buddies , game trailers and etc... we'll see xbox 360 gameplay though, nothing is proved yet but from that trailer it seems like another too "trusted" american console just to attract people :mrgreen:
Sudden strike12
13 May 05, 22:56
Why do they see the need to rush it out before '06 then ... ?
ps3 is following its series, so they been already working on this console for more then 4 years so why wouldnt they need to rush up and finish so people can get it in late 05 ??? sony will sell more in the end anyways, if u think this is a war then sony will win like always anyways :D
ps3 is following its series, so they been already working on this console for more then 4 years so why wouldnt they need to rush up and finish so people can get it in late 05 ??? sony will sell more in the end anyways, if u think this is a war then sony will win like always anyways :D
God damm your a fanboy!
Appreciate all the companies efforts
Milanista
13 May 05, 23:11
Enjoy both.
Enjoy both.
The only problem is PS3 is losing alot of exclusives this time rounD
MGS, PES(obviously) and more!
Is it good to have the game on every console?
won't be buying a xbox for shit, even if it is looking nice.
but i'd bet my ass off that sony is gonna kick some stuff out once they reveal it that all your jaw will drop.
holy crap, those fanboy wars sucks.even if i am one too, being an absolut sony addict.that's why i'd never buy a M$ console.
but come on, how can we fight any war if there are only pics from one side?
absolutely useless bullshit!
Sudden strike12
13 May 05, 23:18
There is not much difference in terms of game quality between the PS2 and Xbox, this will be the same with the next gen aswell. A lot of PS2 only games have been released on the xbox (such as Pro Evo :) and GTA etc ). The only decent exclusives i can think of are MGS3, and erm ..... some people might say the Gran Turismo games but they havent been up to much since GT2.
With games coming out on both PS3 and the Xbox 360, it then comes down to extra features, which we know the 360 has lots of :) I know that no one knows what the PS3 is gonna offer, but the little things with the 360 sound tempting.
Xbox Live Silver straight outta the box, for free, allowing you to play weekends and download content anytime, that sounds good. Recording TV to the hard drive :) Personal Playlists :) a removable hard drive :) Wireless Controllers :) Every single game L!ve aware :)
These are the "extra" features that will help sell the 360. If the PS3 has this amount of quality features then who knows who will sell more ?
But in the games department, it's even !
SilverSpider
13 May 05, 23:21
Enjoy both.
Exactly ... Good Point.
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Is anyone else surprised by the fact that the XBOX360 will still be using DVD9 and not Blu-Ray or HDVD ? ..... Cos I certainly was ? :shock:
Won't this be an Issue with Space on the Disc in a couple of years time if not sooner ? similar to the way the PS2's Games started on CD then quickly they started to easily fill them and DVD became the minimum size needed ....
Just something for thought I guess ? ... A possible problem further down the line, as some companies games nearly fill a DVD9 now .... never mind with the increased space that even bigger Hi Res Textures and other Data will take up on the disc in the Games to come.
Sudden strike12
13 May 05, 23:31
Good point, but i mean its Microsoft, they wont let it fail because of something like that, so they'll come up with something and spend lots of $$$ to make it happen
That's disgustingly good-looking.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get it at 60fps, it'd make a fecking change!
Having 60 is always nice, but a consistant 30 fps is perfectly acceptable for me.
SilverSpider
14 May 05, 00:39
So after about a year's worth of rumours and doubt over the whole "Will it, Won't it have a Hard Drive ?" ... they eventually came to their senses and went with 20gb as Standard with an Upgrade available for those that want it.
Anyone else see that the new pad has done away with Black & white buttons and gone for 2 Shoulder buttons just above the Triggers ... This is good news overall but especially if we ever need to play a PES/WE Game on this Machine.
If anyone is Interested "Edge Magazine #150" goes on Sale Tomorrow and apparently they have been the only Publication/Website in the world to have had access to the actual Machine and its Games so far ... So expect a nice Hype free level headed look at the Machine + New Pictures in their Magazine this Month.
cfdh_edmundo
14 May 05, 01:35
oh no still the same dodgy pad and still needs memory cards...
Good point, but i mean its Microsoft, they wont let it fail because of something like that, so they'll come up with something and spend lots of $$$ to make it happen
DVD9 won't last long. Were are still on ps2 and there are already a bunch of games that use it fully! With quality images like that, blu-ray will probably be standard in PS3. But then again, we barely know anything of the console.
The damm Memory Card should be banned. Should only be an option just to transfer data to someone else's x360.
to be honest, it hasn't impressed much. UT2007 graphics look as good as those! And the jump from xbox to x360 doesn't seem to be that much, and i'm expecting a big jump from sony.
The pads look awfull, but I can't simply say (nor can any of you) if the're good, or not, until I get my hands on one of them.
This is of course all speculation from my part!
Xbox live should be free! We buy the console, buy the game and we still have to pay to play it online!? What a bunch of crap. I understand if it was an MMO.
And it all just seems that x360 will sell cause of it's marketing. MTV? getting Elijah Wood to say that he loves xbox? that video of the staff talking about the game, its starts with the idea that it will be a serious documentary about the console, but it's simply more marketing. Just a waste of time. It's a 10-20 min add, nothing more!
I will buy it if the games are real good!
Sony next system might be crap, who knows? Only time will tell!
won't be buying a xbox for shit, even if it is looking nice.
but i'd bet my ass off that sony is gonna kick some stuff out once they reveal it that all your jaw will drop.
holy crap, those fanboy wars sucks.even if i am one too, being an absolut sony addict.that's why i'd never buy a M$ console.
but come on, how can we fight any war if there are only pics from one side?
absolutely useless bullshit!
WELL SED :applause:
So did you guys see the same prog where they had two blinkin' Killers songs in a 25 min prog about xbox360? Interesting visit to Rare but what a wasted opportunity to showcase the machine. Hyped pap. Trying to be cool but failing cos they should just let the machine talk for itself.....it probably makes more sense than Elijah (sic) Wood.:D
Alberto Tomba
14 May 05, 03:46
Just had a look over the new sytem xbox 360. saw the vid and it's looks like it's modable 9which i think is very important0. They almost deliberately show that the system can be taken apart easy just like a normal CPU tower or whatnot. They even said that you could "make it your own". so...in that case:)
Alberto Tomba
14 May 05, 03:47
Ohh and IF I EVER see 30 fpr I'mma miff
Just had a look over the new sytem xbox 360. saw the vid and it's looks like it's modable 9which i think is very important0. They almost deliberately show that the system can be taken apart easy just like a normal CPU tower or whatnot. They even said that you could "make it your own". so...in that case:)
still it would be very hard to mount and install a mod-chip to it, stil lwill need a professional job on it
FlawlessCowboy
14 May 05, 11:06
GR3 screenies:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/05/12/gr3_screen001.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/131/926971_20050512_screen002.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/05/12/gr3_screen002.jpg
billsterno1
14 May 05, 11:21
WOW that looks like the dog's bollocks. I love GR aswell, thanks for the pics :D
Having 60 is always nice, but a consistant 30 fps is perfectly acceptable for me.It has to be 60 for me, the PS2 can carry it off with something as beautiful as GT4 so there is absolutely no excuse to still be on 30fps a generation later. I think babs mentioned on another thread that the maximum equivalent of fps the human eye can is 70, although I'm not sure on the exact number. That's why GT4 looks more 'real life' and PGR/Forza look 'slower'. As an example, it's much easier to judge things in GT4 because it's closer to your everyday vision than the XBox racers, which when I first start playing I actually notice myself having to adjust to the slower framerate and make allowances for that when pressing the controls.
That was a bit long-winded, but basically I'm saying with that amount of power, it's a joke if they can't get 60fps out of the machine.
Those screenshots arent real are they? They look too good to be true.
SilverSpider
14 May 05, 13:04
I am not overly impressed with what we have seen of the Graphics so far, I really think they need to pushing the Machine a lot further than what we are seeing in the Launch Games Screenshots ......
I want to see MORE of this ..............
http://www.beyondunreal.com/staff/raptor/ut2007_may05/hr/up12.jpg
And I want to see LESS of this .............
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/05/12/gr3_screen001.jpg
So get Cracking you Lazy arsed Developers :mryellow:
Sudden strike12
14 May 05, 13:12
First of all, Xbox live SILVER is FREE. Live silver means you can play only on weekends, but can download content any time.
The memory card IS and OPTION. EVERY xbox 360 will come with a 20GB hard drive, which is apperently removable !
The GR3 pics above are real and in-game. Plus, "screen" in the top left corner is a real time view from another soldier,
"Illustrating this perfectly is the Cross Cam. This is basically the little screen you can see on the top-left in the screenshots on the right. This screen isn't a standard FMV display - this is real time action taking place around you from the viewpoint of one of your fellow soldiers.
Real life soldiers on the battlefield use Cross Cams. Each soldier in a team can see what the others are seeing via a satellite-linked monocle piece on their headsets. Previously consoles haven't allowed this for a Ghost Recon game - this is an Xbox 360 first."
And lastly, films are shot at between 20 and 30 fps. No one complains about that because you dont notice MUCH difference when you go above that number. Having LESS frames per second will actually make things seem FASTER, having MORE fps will make it seem SMOOTHER. This is why Grand Prix Legends on the PC limits the fps to about 32, because anything more than that isnt really neccessary !
Sudden strike12
14 May 05, 13:13
Incase you didnt know, Unreal Tournament 2007 is due to be released on the 360 as well as the PC ;)
Sudden strike12
14 May 05, 13:17
http://www.retsat1.com.pl/boko/gow.avi
Now this looks impresive :)
GR3 doesn't look that much better than GR2 on the Xbox.
Sudden strike12
14 May 05, 13:29
Yea it looks similar :) . More GR3 pics .........
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/tomclancysghostrecon2/screens.html?page=5
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/tomclancysghostrecon2/screens.html?page=15
LemonJelly
14 May 05, 13:43
Martyn Chudley interview about the PGR3....there are some very interesting comments.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/pgr3interview.htm
This one caught my eye...
"But now, with the power of Xenon, we can finally take the cities that final step forward, and can make them feel like real, living, breathing cities! We have (at last!) got crowds—but not 2-D flat people or angular stick figures with the odd arm waving here or there that you're used to in games. We have a whole throng of people in the game, all motion-captured to produce realistic crowd movements. And it's not just the same few models dotted here and there, but literally thousands of different people!"
Sweet!
First of all, Xbox live SILVER is FREE. Live silver means you can play only on weekends, but can download content any time.
what a bunch of crap! Can only play 2 days a week?! Content? what good is that If I don't get to play!?
If sony makes something similar I'll probably quit consoles and retire myself to some Tibetian monastery! :mrgreen:
Sudden strike12
14 May 05, 13:51
You complain when it costs money. You complain when you can play for a limited time but for free.
What's your problem ffs! If you dont wanna pay, you still get a chance to play and get levels and stuff for your games. You expect Xbox Live to be free, when most MMO games cost money per month, just to play one game.
Man, you must be crazy !
LemonJelly
14 May 05, 13:53
You are both wrong.
Live Silver is online access to everything EXCEPT online play. You can't even play on weekends unless it is for designated "Free" weekend play. Live Gold is the only way to play online and it will cost the same as the current Live service.
I can't believe the amount of bitching about this, its crazy. Sony's Online system is bollocks at best, they have a hell of a lot to do to catch up with the Live service.
And lastly, films are shot at between 20 and 30 fps. No one complains about that because you dont notice MUCH difference when you go above that number. Having LESS frames per second will actually make things seem FASTER, having MORE fps will make it seem SMOOTHER. This is why Grand Prix Legends on the PC limits the fps to about 32, because anything more than that isnt really neccessary !But you watch films, 30fps is suitable for that medium, in games you need to respond and it's far easier to do this when at 60fps than 30fps - imagine WE/PES at a constant 30fps. I disagree on it not being necessary, IMO it's something they should be aiming to do before they use up the power on getting the sparrow on that tree half a mile away in the distance to look lovely. It's high on my list anyway, it always puts me off when a game isn't running at 60.
As for Live, initially I was skeptical about having to pay but I would say it's been worth it since I did.
You complain when it costs money. You complain when you can play for a limited time but for free.
What's your problem ffs! If you dont wanna pay, you still get a chance to play and get levels and stuff for your games. You expect Xbox Live to be free, when most MMO games cost money per month, just to play one game.
Man, you must be crazy !
pay to play? don't think so! If the only way I can enjoy x360 is through live, then I'm sure not to buy it!
about MMO, it's still too expensive but I still understand cause MMO's have new content from time to time. of course xlive will also have lots of content, but just a couple of multiplayers maps from months at the time!? And trailers one can get anywhere.
Of course if there will be MMO games for x360 and we need only pay for xlive to play them, then its great! that is worth paying!
And when Reactor says that only on designated weekends its free! :s sucks!
I have a friend who had xlive, and he says that it wasn't worth it!
Maybe I'm too used to play UT, QW and stuff like that for free, when the servers are created by other people than the creator of the game!
u have your opinion i have mine! I just want the games to be great, no way i'm gonna get a console just because they might have a brilliant online system.
Peace! :)
We can all the just wait for the PS3 cuz we know we wont need Online play to enjoy that.
As for Live, initially I was skeptical about having to pay but I would say it's been worth it since I did.
We have all enjoyed it since you joined Classic, we were lacking a Scottish accent ;)
SilverSpider
14 May 05, 21:04
But you watch films, 30fps is suitable for that medium, in games you need to respond and it's far easier to do this when at 60fps than 30fps - imagine WE/PES at a constant 30fps. I disagree on it not being necessary, IMO it's something they should be aiming to do before they use up the power on getting the sparrow on that tree half a mile away in the distance to look lovely. It's high on my list anyway, it always puts me off when a game isn't running at 60
I totally agree with you on the whole point of having AT LEAST 60fps !
I think there have been far too many Games in this current Generation that have suffered with Slowdown and Low fps ... and I personally can recall more than a few occassions, where I basically didn't play a Game or gave up on it for these sorts of reasons.
I also hope it is something that gets left behind with this Generation and we don't have to put up with it in the coming Years.
I mean whats the point of us following Microsofts wishes of playing in "Hi-Def" with a 50" HDTV running a Game at 1080i for it only to be moving at .......... a paltry 25-30fps ?
On a more positive note I did read a statement somewhere the other day where someone at MS was waxing lyrical about Hi-Def & their new imposed rules of EVERY Game having at LEAST
-- 16:9 Ratio with No Letterbox, 720p or 1080i, 5.1 DD & being Live aware --
so basically he said that with the power they have at their disposal and with the quality of the Image they are aiming to provide for Gamers they said that all Games would be running at a very high fps ???
Whether we believe him or not is another thing ? :mryellow: Time will tell ...
P.S.
While we are on the subject, have you seen the amount of people on the Internet who believe that you CANNOT SEE the difference between 30fps and 60fps ... are they Mental or What ? :shock:
Sudden strike12
15 May 05, 00:02
The difference is there, but it isnt worth complaining about. As i said earlier, films are made with a fps of between 20 and 35, but you dont complain about them :D
SilverSpider
15 May 05, 00:56
The difference is there, but it isnt worth complaining about.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid mate ;-)
Hmm any chance of a thread that has more facts and less petty squabbling :/
imp ps3 will be online out of the box as well, so there is no point just buying xbos for just "xbos" liveee :roll:
LemonJelly
15 May 05, 08:46
Nothing about the PS3 has been announced to that statement is pure speculation.
FlawlessCowboy
15 May 05, 10:27
There is no doubt it will be. If they can make the PSP out of the box online, then they sure as hell will make PS3 the same
The difference is there, but it isnt worth complaining about. As i said earlier, films are made with a fps of between 20 and 35, but you dont complain about them :D
As I said earlier ( :mrgreen: ), you watch films, with a game you have to interact and time button presses, it's much easier to do this if the framerate it more 'real life' than having to compensate for a 50% drop (ie 60 to 30), so it's totally different.
Spider yes I have seen those folk, no doubt you also saw them on Gamefaqs, the amount of idiots on there is fantastic :D. You should join our Forza games when we get them set up, give Chris another Scottish accent to deal with. :lol:
As for PS3, I'm unsure whether they'll have learned their lesson from PS2 online - I'd rather have the MS system with one account for all games, everything linked etc than have one for each game.
Nothing about the PS3 has been announced to that statement is pure speculation.
it would be suicide if the ps3 was not to have online out of the box.
We will only hear about ps3 surely on the next game conference like e3. But the one in japan. (dunno the name)
You mean the Tokyo Game Show?
LemonJelly
15 May 05, 21:28
Time quotes Bill Gates saying Sony's next-gen cosole will "walk into" the Xbox 360 follow-up to the best-selling sci-fi shooter.
For months, the Web was rife with rumors that Microsoft would ship the sequel to Halo 2 for the Xbox 360 simultaneously with the launch of the PlayStation 3. Now, that has been confirmed--by none other than Bill Gates himself.
In next week's issue of Time Magazine--which features Gates holding the Xbox 360 on the cover--Gates mentioned plans for the release of the much-anticipated follow-up to the best-selling console shooter. In a parenthetical sidebar in the article, Time says the following:
"Note to the hard-core faithful: the next version of Halo will not, repeat not, be ready in time for the launch of Xbox 360. It will be part of the all-important second wave next spring. 'It's perfect,' Gates says, radiant with bloodlust. 'The day Sony launches [the new PlayStation], and they walk right into Halo 3.'"
While Microsoft reps were not available for comment as of press time, Gates' comments appear to confirm the theory that Microsoft will release Halo 3 either simultaneously or near the release of Sony's next-gen console. It also marks the first official confirmation that a third Halo is indeed in the works, and will be released for the Xbox 360.
Although such statements might be interpreted as grandstanding, such a maneuver definitely would have an impact. Halo 2 sold over 6.5 million copies to date, and is credited with doubling the subscriber base of Xbox Live from around 750,000 to over 1.5 million. It is also credited by industry-watchers as one of the main reasons for boosting sales of the original Xbox last holiday season.
LemonJelly
15 May 05, 21:46
Perfect Dark Zero
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/614/614217/perfect-dark-zero-20050514085006513.jpg
SilverSpider
15 May 05, 21:58
http://www.1up.com/media?id=1879119&type=lg
Reactor mate,
If only that was an in-game shot :( ...
Click the link for how its really looking at the moment ! I know Graphics on there own don't make a Game but the Gaming press seem genuinely surprised that the supposed killer launch title of XBOX360 looks this way at this point.
I have to say that Chronicles of Riddick & Splinter Cell:CT on Xbox look better than that :shock:
Maybe Rare aren't what they used to be ?
FlawlessCowboy
15 May 05, 22:07
I'm hoping thats an early in-game shot. Cause if it ain't, they've got a long way to go (graphically) to get it out on launch day and not get ridiculed!!
All this means nothing to me at the moment, we should all wait until e3 when the machine gets its showing
LemonJelly
15 May 05, 22:10
Well what it is looking like now with potential placeholder textures etc etc is irrelevant at the end of the day. The above screen shot was released after the 360 launch/announcement. I didn't stste that it was in game anyway..I just posted it for interest.
We know nothing about the games at the moment, the next 5 days will be information overload.
SilverSpider
15 May 05, 22:17
I didn't state that it was in game anyway..I just posted it for interest.
I appreciate that Mate and Thanks as I hadn't seen it before ... I wasn't trying to get at you in any way :mryellow:
Just trying to point out that Most of the developers of XBOX360 stuff seem to be showing/releasing a lot of Images that aren't In-Game ... that was all ;-)
P.S.
New one of TW2006 apprently In-Game too ...
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1103/792_0001.jpg
You mean the Tokyo Game Show?
that's the one. It's the place where Sony introduced the PS2 and it will surely be there the showing of the PS3!
Any one know the date for the next Tokyo Game Show?
That last image seems bad enough to be FMV, so it must be an early in game screen!
LemonJelly
16 May 05, 09:40
That last image seems bad enough to be FMV, so it must be an early in game screen!
LOL are you for real? Next gen graphics are not just about realism, I would be mighty pissed off if every game I play looks like real life, that is why I play games, to get away from reality. If the next TW game looks like that screen then I will be happy.
The trouble with most people is you have no idea what your expectations are, and whether they are realistic at all. I'm just keeping an open mind and looking forward to whatever comes along.
Yep games are about getting away from reality
Yep games are about getting away from reality
thats why fifa is such a good game ;)
FlawlessCowboy
16 May 05, 12:25
Haha nice ;)
That shot of Tiger Woods looks amazing, if thats in-game then I'll be chuffed!
Tiger Woods is good now but that'd be great!
LOL are you for real? Next gen graphics are not just about realism, I would be mighty pissed off if every game I play looks like real life, that is why I play games, to get away from reality. If the next TW game looks like that screen then I will be happy.
The trouble with most people is you have no idea what your expectations are, and whether they are realistic at all. I'm just keeping an open mind and looking forward to whatever comes along.
What the hell are you talking about? Lol
Who said anything about to be real or not to be real? Where did you come up with that idea? Lol
I just pointed out a fact. If that's FMV the jump from current generation is very little, but as I believe the jump is great, i'm almost sure it's in game!
LemonJelly
16 May 05, 15:47
Some more shots. Don't know if they are in game but I thought I would post them anyway.
Gears of War
http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101050523/gallery/images/01.jpg
Call of Duty 2
http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101050523/gallery/images/02.jpg
Kameo
http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101050523/gallery/images/04.jpg
Project Gotham Racing 3
http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101050523/gallery/images/05.jpg
Milanista
16 May 05, 15:54
To be honest call of duty looks like a PC game, so does kameo. So far only Ghost Recon and PGR have really impressed me. The other games seem to look like games you can find now.
Stringer Bell
16 May 05, 16:08
Gears of War of war looks real nice.
LemonJelly
16 May 05, 16:19
I think they all look nice to be honest. I like the visual style of Kameo, it looked great last year when at E3 so it can only be better on next-gen hardware.
Stringer Bell
16 May 05, 16:20
Will the X-Box 360 be backward compatiable with X-Box games?
LemonJelly
16 May 05, 16:28
I have a sneaky feeling that it won't be backwards compatible, the simple reason is the chipset is so radically different. I don't think MS have managed to strike a deal with NVidia to allow them to use the software rendering which would allow backwards compatibility. I think this will be confirmed tonight at the MS press conference.
Sudden strike12
16 May 05, 16:49
Perfect Dark Zero
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/614/614217/perfect-dark-zero-20050514085006513.jpg
That is a real in game screen apparently :D
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35796&subsectionid=1586
They all look great, but COD2 looks like an improved CS:source! Of course a very improved one! :P
But the first and last ones caught my eye!
Reactor,
I read on the internuts the other day that MS had sent a letter out to registered yanky halo2 players talking about Halo2 players playing on xbox360 will still be able to play against halo2 players playing on xbox.
Now that either means ms are going to bring out a halo2 specifically for the 360 or there will be backwards compatibility.
I am guessing that the former is not on the cards as MS have already said Halo3 will be coming out on the ps3 launch day.
On the other hand I have also read that MS have said they are toiling to get backwards compatibility working. Which means if that rumour is true then it isnt working yet and the first rumour i read is cr4p! heh
ThomasGOAL
17 May 05, 14:49
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571055_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571056_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571057_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/10/ME0000571058_2.jpg
LemonJelly
17 May 05, 16:48
Project Gotham Racing 3 - E3 Trailer (http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox/1937/Project-Gotham-Racing-3-E3-2005-Trailer/)
Looking good.
Milanista
17 May 05, 16:54
imo that NBA game isnt anything special and can even be an Xbox game.... even with the airbrushing/rendering. PGR looks pretty good
PGR 3 one definitely looks like an intro rather than gameplay, just from the way it's presented.
LemonJelly
17 May 05, 17:22
PGR 3 one definitely looks like an intro rather than gameplay, just from the way it's presented.
Agreed but its all about the hype hype hype HYPE! :D
Honestly reading around various websites today has been shocking. I can't believe some of the comments being made by professional journalists, as well as regular punters. It is phenomenal what a few demos, or lack of demos, does to someone's opinion.
I am not overly impressed with what we have seen of the Graphics so far, I really think they need to pushing the Machine a lot further than what we are seeing in the Launch Games Screenshots ......
I want to see MORE of this ..............
http://www.beyondunreal.com/staff/raptor/ut2007_may05/hr/up12.jpg
And I want to see LESS of this .............
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/news/05/12/gr3_screen001.jpg
So get Cracking you Lazy arsed Developers :mryellow:
Why, the 1st one looks like a FMV.
Graphics wise the ps3 has blown the 360 out the water but one thing thats sounding good to me on the 360 is spectator mode. Im sad enough I would watch other people playing pro evo on xbox 360 live :)
LemonJelly
17 May 05, 22:32
Graphics wise the ps3 has blown the 360 out the water but one thing thats sounding good to me on the 360 is spectator mode. Im sad enough I would watch other people playing pro evo on xbox 360 live :)
Yes I agree partly, but nothing on the PS3 is actual game footage! Now whether the 360 footage is final (I doubt it), but MS were brave to show in-game stuff so early. The focus has totally shifted to Sony, they better be able to deliver what people are expecting.
Milanista
17 May 05, 22:35
Killzone, Motorstorm and Unreal are almost certainly in-game pics. Getaway is also from ingame.
Sudden strike12
17 May 05, 22:38
Proof ?
the unreal engine 3 thing was definately in game as the bloke was moving about in it in realtime.
you cant do that in a pre-render.
anyways how much does a hdtv flat panel b4stard cost!! :)
The unreal engine 3 was in game.
The dudes on gamespy watched the game first on a PC.
they said that the pc was struggling to play the game but that on the ps3 it was running smooth!
Killzone, we see gameplay... what more proof there can be?
LemonJelly
18 May 05, 10:35
The unreal engine 3 was in game.
The dudes on gamespy watched the game first on a PC.
they said that the pc was struggling to play the game but that on the ps3 it was running smooth!
Killzone, we see gameplay... what more proof there can be?
I don't deny that the unreal engine was in real time...! However what they showed was not a game, it was a demo. That is the difference I am talking about. With these reports coming out that the Killzone was all mock up and not real time at all, I'm getting a little concerned at what we really did see yesterday.
LemonJelly
18 May 05, 10:35
E3 2005: 360 Running at One-Third Power
So we've been seeing the Xbox 120?
by David Clayman
May 17, 2005 - In between furiously posting the latest game information, we had the time to shoot the breeze with a PR representative from a third-party company. The conversation drifted toward the framerate issues that we've seen while previewing a few Xbox 360 titles. There is no doubt that the level of detail in the trailers is up to next-gen standards, but almost anything in-engine has chugged a bit at one point or another.
When asked about this issue our source replied that the current playable 360 games would all have framerate issues due to the fact that they are running on alpha test units. A rough estimate placed these machines at about one-third as powerful as the 360. We went head-to-head in Top Spin 2 and noticed that there were visible jaggies and a few frame drops. This is because the Alpha units do not run anti-aliasing and simply don't have the power to run a high-res game at full quality. The developers had tuned Top Spin 2 to run at a smooth 60 frames per second but this was simply not possible on the Alpha hardware. Official sources place the final development kit dates for July and the results promise to look much better.
It is not surprising that many games in early stages would suffer from the types of issues we've seen so far. Since the alpha units are underpowered, it is surprising that Microsoft hadn't touted this fact earlier. Knowing that the final products will most definitely run smoother certainly got us more excited about the 360 line-up.
Maybe it's just me but if they're wheeling out that excuse then surely it's even more applicable to Sony's new machine given that it's not as far along in the development stage, if you go by proposed release dates?
I think they're shitting it tbh, to suddenly bring out something like this.
you would have thought if that was true they would have had things saying so.
why show stuff to the world and the worlds game journos knowing they aint looking as good as they will be doing..
Something fishys going on there i reckon.
Ive just seen the amped and topspin 2 vids and even ignoring the frame rate and jaggys they still were dissappointing.. I was expecting alot more.
Looks like Call of Duty 2 might be the best thing in their line up.
(and spectator mode :) )
LemonJelly
18 May 05, 14:28
I don't think there is necessarily anything fishy going on, I just think its been poorly handled. Which is unusual as MS are normally great at advertising and hype.
The Outfit looks a top game even in early stages. Agreed that Amped and Topspin2 are hardly anything special at the moment.
At this stage, it's less a next gen console war and more a PR war -- but, yeah, Sony took Round 1 by stealing Xbox 360's thunder and doing a better job focusing on demos.
Regardless of which you may like better, both consoles rock based on early info.
Doses of reality:
1. To deliver all the hype, PS3 either's gonna be one hell of an expensive console or some of those specs/features will be less impressive at launch, ala PS2.
2. Very few games will tap the limits of either console anyway, and we'll still see a bunch of shit games being put out.
If you think about it, we're talking about a relative handful or two of games (out of the potential universe of hundreds) that will really matter over the next 1-2 years. Doesn't matter if you're running 1 or 2 Zigaflops per millisecond.
3. Halo still won't be available on PS3. No exclusives on Sony's side bother the other side as much, certainly not the overhyped GT.
4. A hell of a lot of Xbox 360s are gonna sell this year. That 2006 launch date (late 2006 for most of you) ain't helping Sony take back any market share.
Most serious gamers will own both consoles.
Milanista
18 May 05, 15:16
Sony has the Getaway as an exclusive, Killzone too.
LemonJelly
18 May 05, 15:22
Getaway 1 and 2 were both shite, Killzone wasn't much to write home about either.
Hopefully the next gen versions of both games will be better.
Milanista
18 May 05, 15:25
I dont think getaway was shite, it was quite realistic and GFX of London were good aswell. Killzone was shit, alot of slowdown.
Milanista
18 May 05, 15:48
Xbox talks trash:
"Well, son. You had to be there. The day was Monday 16th May 2005. The time 7.49pm. The place, The Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles, California. Appropriate, looking back...."
Just hours after Sony's disappeared into the stratosphere with its comparatively sober and understated PS3 presentation a few miles down the road, Microsoft delivered possibly the most unintentionally amusing launch event since Nokia's shell shockingly appalling N-Gage launch two E3s ago.
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It started off fairly ominously when Robbie Bach uttered this cast iron classic:
"Working together we will turn thought leadership into market leadership."
If it were any more Orwellian I might have legged it there and then, but it was like witnessing a multi car pile up. You couldn't take your eyes off the spectacle.
Next up we had the well meaning but nevertheless slightly sinister thought police utterance of:
"We will revolutionise the way people think about having fun."
"It's a platform that no other company in this industry can even try to match."
"It is our goal to reach one billion consumers."
"Think about the most absorbing experiences in your life.
"Like many people in the audience this evening I am a runner.
"There's that place that you can sometimes reach on a long run where you achieve a kind of perfect mind body equilibrium. It's been called the Zen of running.
"[In] the HD era we're going to deliver the Zen of gaming.
"Next generation games will provide unprecedented audio and visual experiences to create worlds that are beyond real and they will deliver storylines and gameplay so compelling that it will feel like living a lucid dream.
"The result is a state that you achieve a perfect mind-body equilibrium in the digital surroundings that you become completely immersed in the game itself.
"This controller becomes an extension of your body, it becomes the gateway to the Zen of gaming."
you missed when the first bloke said "we have the most powerful home entertainment system on the planet" then he proceded to say the same line again later on.
whoops a daisy.
Also saying 1 billion consumers just made MS look silly.
I agree though the xbox 360 conference was terrible.
Like what the f*ck was that group of people sitting behind the stage. It looked like MS had phoned up a model agency and said 50 stupid models please.
We need them to sit, smile and cheer and clap at every pause. Thanks.
Like someone said earlier its very strange to see MS make such a mess of PR ing as bad as this.
Sony has the Getaway as an exclusive, Killzone too.
I don't think Getaway and Killzone come anywhere near Halo, if were talkin exclusives. The only thing Sony has in that stratosphere -- quality and sales-wise -- is Grand Theft Auto, which of course is not exclusive to the console.
New Getaway's London looks awesome on PS3, but the gameplay of that series has specialized in disappointing to date.
If your talking the best exclusives though, it depends on what genre you like.
If you like FPS you have halo on xbox.
On the other hand if you like driving games then you have Gran Turismo
which IMO no other driving game can get anywhere near it.
If you like both genres then its gona cost you lots of money :)
I like both genres so its time to start doing overtime .. oh and sell a kidney so I can get a hdtv as well :))
Sudden strike12
18 May 05, 19:52
If you want a proper racing game try this
http://www.liveforspeed.net/
:D
If your talking the best exclusives though, it depends on what genre you like.
If you like FPS you have halo on xbox.
On the other hand if you like driving games then you have Gran Turismo
which IMO no other driving game can get anywhere near it.
If you like both genres then its gona cost you lots of money :)
I like both genres so its time to start doing overtime .. oh and sell a kidney so I can get a hdtv as well :))
You could further qualify that by saying "it depends what type of driving games you like."
For me, Burnout 3 and Rallisport 2, not to mention PGR, Midnight Club 3, or Forza more than make up for the absensce of GT on Xbox (I have both consoles just haven't had the need to buy GT). All those titles are quality.
Anyway, a lot of us are gonna be spending a lot of dough to trick out our next gen consoles/game libraries over the next year.
http://img.penny-arcade.com/2005/20050413l.jpg
Gotta love these guys
ahaha, nice CWright!
Anyway one question, is the X360 worldwide release at november or we europeans will have to month a few months to get our hands on the x360?
the same for PS3?
ThomasGOAL
18 May 05, 22:40
FIFA 2006 picts :
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/28/ME0000572896_2.jpg
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/57/28/ME0000572897_2.jpg
Halo 3 screen at Gamespot!!!
http://www.gamespot.com/x360/action/halo3/screens.html?page=1
Looks extremely realistic, but frankly I think it's CG.
FlawlessCowboy
18 May 05, 23:16
Is that supposed to be a joke? :l
awesome pic of halo. I'm sure it's ingame. :applause:
FIFA will suck as always... after 10 years they haven't learned yet how to make a decent footie game, so i doubt they'll start now!
Milanista
18 May 05, 23:37
Fifa looks like a cartoon. I like that grass though.
FlawlessCowboy
18 May 05, 23:45
Ronaldinho looks like he's made of plastic!
Sudden strike12
19 May 05, 00:29
How comes in all the new games anything further than 12 yards is out of focus?
It really is begginning to p!55 me off
Revan,
in that boring 360 conference they mentioned that the 360 will be getting a worldwide (well jap, yanks, europe) release in one go. All at the end of the year.
So at least MS wont sh4ft us like Sony like to do.
ThomasGOAL
19 May 05, 11:49
Top Spin 2 - Game Play
Not very good animation.
http://www.videogamerx.net/bbs/view.php?id=vx01&no=9367
edit :
and trailer :
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/748/748409/vids_1.html
LemonJelly
19 May 05, 11:51
E3 2005: Perfect Dark Zero: First Impressions
Forget every screenshot you've seen. We've seen Rare's shooter in motion, and it's gorgeous. First impressions. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616196p1.html)
ThomasGOAL
19 May 05, 12:00
E3 2005: Perfect Dark Zero: First Impressions
Forget every screenshot you've seen. We've seen Rare's shooter in motion, and it's gorgeous. First impressions. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616196p1.html)
it's ugly for me, x-box 360 possible better game than this shit (i speak about the GFX)
LemonJelly
19 May 05, 12:22
it's ugly for me, x-box 360 possible better game than this shit (i speak about the GFX)
I'm sorry but you don't READ! You have NOT seen this game in its current state, nobody outside of the gaming press has! Which is why the IGN article says "Forget every screen you have seen"!!
ThomasGOAL
19 May 05, 12:37
I'm sorry but you don't READ! You have NOT seen this game in its current state, nobody outside of the gaming press has! Which is why the IGN article says "Forget every screen you have seen"!!
Ok, sorry, my English is not perfect :)
Revan,
in that boring 360 conference they mentioned that the 360 will be getting a worldwide (well jap, yanks, europe) release in one go. All at the end of the year.
So at least MS wont sh4ft us like Sony like to do.
Yah... it's one of the things I hate the most! expecially europeans like me, since anything released in Japan, europe is always the last to get! either games or hardware!
I wish Sony decides for a worldwide release 2!
Yah... it's one of the things I hate the most! expecially europeans like me, since anything released in Japan, europe is always the last to get! either games or hardware!
I wish Sony decides for a worldwide release 2!
That's probably not gonna happen because Sony usually has trouble meeting demand in one region at new product launch, let alone on a worldwide basis in one shot.
There is a plus point to staggered releases though.
They release first in Japan and the Japanese can find all the bugs and report them
so by the time us in Europe get the machines all the bugs are sorted :)
Yah, It probably gonna be a 6 moth difference between the japanese release and the european release!
They have trouble cause those japs are crazy bout games and even camp outside the store just to be the first ones to get the new hardware. They never leave anything for the poor! (like me) :cry:
There is a plus point to staggered releases though.
They release first in Japan and the Japanese can find all the bugs and report them
so by the time us in Europe get the machines all the bugs are sorted :)
plus the price will drop then, because when it first come out in japan the prices are crazy
Milanista
19 May 05, 20:29
You gotta remember that the PS3 will come out when the Xbox 360 is already out - this would probably mean Sony will enter with a good competetive price right away.
You gotta remember that the PS3 will come out when the Xbox 360 is already out - this would probably mean Sony will enter with a good competetive price right away.
my friend said that when its first out in japan its really expensive but when it gets the stuff from china like parts and etc and get worldwide it gets much cheaper then when its mainly on japan, we'll see..
ThomasGOAL
20 May 05, 11:59
EA Sport
http://down.videogamerx.net/ms_e3_2005/hq/eacompilation.wmv
Milanista
20 May 05, 15:28
According to GamesIndustry.biz, because of differing chipsets both on the Xbox 360 motherboard and graphics card, Xbox backwards compatibility will be a matter of "recompiling" individual Xbox games for Xbox 360. So say Microsoft. Worms... Can of... Open? Does this mean you'll need to buy new versions of your old games for Xbox 360? Or will Microsoft provide them free? Or is everyone grasping the wrong end of the backwards compatible stick here? First up either way are the two Halo games.
LemonJelly
20 May 05, 15:49
I find it fascinating to hear people talk about backwards compatability. How many PS1 games have you played on your PS2?? For me, None. How many PS2 games am I likely to play on the PS3?? Probably None. Same goes for the Xbox, however if backwards compatability is an issue then I will keep my Xbox.
Most current gamers don't care about backwards compatability, it's mainly used for marketing.
I'll probably be trading my XBox in to get the new machine anyway, so I don't give a toss about backwards compatibility.
I dont care if its backwards compatible or not, but it would be nice if it is. Would save me a lot of space in my house anyway.
backwards compatibility is rarely used! I admit I played 2-3 games os PS1 on my PS2, but was over 2 years ago!
It's marketing purposes only. It's simply another thing to add to the features of the machines!
It's practicaly useless for me!
backwards compatibility is rarely used! I admit I played 2-3 games os PS1 on my PS2, but was over 2 years ago!
It's marketing purposes only. It's simply another thing to add to the features of the machines!
It's practicaly useless for me!
goddamn, if PS3 wasn't backwards compatible, how the hell would I bust out my PS1 Beckham Soccer?
ThomasGOAL
21 May 05, 12:45
LOL !!!!!!!!!
X-Box 360 demo playable it's a G5 !!!
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2420&p=5
LemonJelly
21 May 05, 13:23
Yeah because they are the only pieces of kit with Power chips in...pretty obvious choice if you ask me.
wolvesfan
22 May 05, 12:38
Dashboard:
http://www.betanews.com/slideshow/Xbox_360_User_Interface/6
FIFA 06 looks big time bullshit.
look at madden and compare it to fifa.what a huge difference...dunno how ea can't keep any quality into their footie games...losers!
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2079/987414nd.jpg
nicely rendered skidmarks though! ;)
SilverSpider
23 May 05, 09:30
:lmao:
Check out those Rigid, Gravity Defying Shorts ?
What happened to Next Gen Cloth & Texture Effects ? :shock:
The shorts in WE8LE are better than that.
Milanista
23 May 05, 12:10
Fifa 2005 even looks better than that.
nicely rendered skidmarks though! ;)
Execellent spot, look everyone, Rooney's shat himself.
FIFA 06 looks big time bullshit.
look at madden and compare it to fifa.what a huge difference...dunno how ea can't keep any quality into their footie games...losers!
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2079/987414nd.jpg
Something must be going on off the ball as none of the fans are paying attention :lol:
How do EA always manage to make the kits and players look completely shite? They always just look wrong for some strange reason. Like they are deformed or something. :(
rooney!...or not? :lmao:
http://mundofifa.fifala.com/fifa06/caps1/08.gif
Looks kinda like Joe Cole... but not really.
whoever it is has a tash.
I'm by no means a PES fan boy, but those graphics are feckin pathetic. WE 8 looks far better than that does!
SilverSpider
26 May 05, 21:31
http://mundofifa.fifala.com/fifa06/caps1/08.gif
FIFA 2006 ? ? ?
F*ckin' Hell, that looks more like .... Dawn Of The Dead Soccer 2006.
It just looks shite to me. Can't believe that it's next gen. I hope PES looks better.
I refuse to believe that's next gen graphics. It must be an hoax.
jonneymendoza
26 May 05, 22:44
looks fuking shit
yep looks pathetic. pes4/we8 looks miles better.
Ive gotta say though, not a lot of xbox games have made me think 'wow'.
Gears of War is the only title shown at e3 for xbox 360 which made me think that it was on a next gen console.
Im not too sure what you guys think, but dead or alive 4 looked like it was on current gen. The background and interaction were obviously more advanced, but the character detail and movement was identical to current gen IMHO.
Its a bit frustrating seeing that ps3 was looking more impressive even though xbox 360 is out months before. I wish microsoft had a games demo to match the fight night presentation on ps3, that was awesome!
SilverSpider
27 May 05, 11:55
Ive gotta say though, not a lot of xbox games have made me think 'wow'.
Gears of War is the only title shown at e3 for xbox 360 which made me think that it was on a next gen console.
Im not too sure what you guys think, but dead or alive 4 looked like it was on current gen. The background and interaction were obviously more advanced, but the character detail and movement was identical to current gen IMHO.
Could not have put it better Myself.
LemonJelly
27 May 05, 12:48
Agreed.
Although E3 wasn't that great from Microsofts point of view (although they would argue otherwise), I do feel they will come strong over the summer and leading up to launch.
To me "The Outfit" looks class, sure it isn't using the unreal engine which people are way too obsessed about at the moment, however it is worthy of next gen inmy opinion.
I also think Perfect Dark Zero will blow everyone away when it is released, 50 players online at once :shock: Also PGR3 wasn't shown so we have that to look forward to over the next few months.
Come on everybody, that pic has got to be a fanboy made up pic, no way in the world would EA let that into a full game.
Though XB=>XB360 wont be as big a jump as PS2=>PS3, everyone has to remember that 1st Generation games are usually pretty damn poor to what machines do 2-3 years later. Look at the PS2, it's only just doing games like God of War now, that's about 8 years after developers have got been working with it.
No one really knows what PS3 games will look like, so until and ACTUAL game is shown playing on an actual PS3, I think we can only speculate and push spec numbers about. Remember the early demos of the PS2 and it's emotion engine, we were blown away, but we never actually played things like them.
The 360 will have a few games of quality at launch, PGR3 and Perfect Dark Zero I think will be AAA titles, but a year later or so, PGR4 and PDZ II will probably be pushing the machine much harder. So come on lads, lets get a grip, get gaming on whatever console ya like and post what games people might have missed, we're all beyond the school playground now I think
LemonJelly
27 May 05, 14:15
Come on everybody, that pic has got to be a fanboy made up pic, no way in the world would EA let that into a full game.
It isn't fanboy made :D Seriously if you watch the MS press conference, or even go to IGN and download it, it really looks that bad. However, it will have been early dev code so lets not give then too much of a hard time.
BTW a great example of the in-game vs pre-rendered arguement is with The Outfit.
Here is a screenshot
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/614/614374/the-outfit-20050517061949825.jpg
I think that looks cool, especially when you see it running. Yet if you go to the official site (http://www.theoutfitgame.com/trailer.html) and watch the trailer you can see the graphics comparison.
If MS had showed that trailer, everyone would be expecting those graphics. However that kind of graphical style is just not possible or practical in games (IMHO). Next gen gfx will be a higher res version of what we have now, sure there will be more detail and the later games will be awesome, but as holio said. I don't think the leap will be huge. I'm quite happy to be proved wrong.
Though XB=>XB360 wont be as big a jump as PS2=>PS3, everyone has to remember that 1st Generation games are usually pretty damn poor to what machines do 2-3 years later. Look at the PS2, it's only just doing games like God of War now, that's about 8 years after developers have got been working with it.
The 360 will have a few games of quality at launch, PGR3 and Perfect Dark Zero I think will be AAA titles, but a year later or so, PGR4 and PDZ II will probably be pushing the machine much harder. So come on lads, lets get a grip, get gaming on whatever console ya like and post what games people might have missed, we're all beyond the school playground now I think
Add to your comments this: even many years into the current-gen console development cycle, a majority of games, PS2 or Xbox, are mediocre at best.
We're talking about a handful or two of games on either console that really matter in the grand scheme of things -- games that are revolutionary, or that have deep replay value, or that are actually worth $50.
No matter how sexy the specs of the next-gen consoles, I'm not looking for this to change significantly. In fact, the gorgeous, enhanced graphics of these new games will only serve to better hide a new generation of mediocrity once the excitement dies down.
To put it another way, the attention should be less on the console makers and more on game developers to really push the envelope.
I'm sorry, but after looking at some screenshots from FIFA 2003, 2004 and 2005, and some screenshots from WE 8 LE. I've came to the conclusion that FIFA 2006 looks like a load of dog poop! I mean it looks like something from the year 2001!
FIFA 2003 (http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/fifa2003_10112002_02.jpg)
FIFA 2004 (http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/fifa_050803_01.jpg)
FIFA 2005 (http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/513/513505/e3-2004-fifa-2005-screens-200405110137479.jpg)
WE 8 LE (http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/SAVE/167/M00174/04/VW270J1_b2.jpg)
WE 8 LE (http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/SAVE/167/M00174/04/VW270J1_b1.jpg)
Well I agree with a lot of your points, but I actually do think the jump will be large between ps2-ps3. I think the jump between current high end pc's and ps3 will be less noticable however. I think the difference between the generations wont be realised until over a year after launch however, as im sure developers wont have grasped the knowledge to unlock either machine potential until then.
Im actually a bit of a playstation fan boy, so naturally I cant wait for the ps3.But knowing that it wont come out in the uk for ages Im trying to make myself like the xbox 360 because thats gonna be availble much sooner. But unfortunately from what I've seen Im less than impressed.
I really hope some great games do come out for it on launch. Would be amazing if Konami managed to get a Pro Evo 5 for it before xmas.
But I can see myself having the same problems with the xbox 360 that I had with the first xbox. All the hyped games were pretty much all first person shooters. Am I the only gamer in the world who doesnt like first person shooers?!
But like I said, if they brought out a Pro Evo game for xbox 360 before xmas it would make the machine a must buy for me ;)
I have a similar problem with the current XBox, lots of people were into Ghost Recon, Halo, Timesplitters, etc, yet I can't get into those games with a pad.
Is there an official price for the new Xbox yet? Play.com are advertising it for £400, I nearly split my sides laughing when I saw that.
300 dollars is what I have heard for the US launch though as yet there is no official confirmation of a UK price
$300 = £165, there's no hope in hell we'll get it for that price. I heard $500 for the US one which would work out about £275, and just for fun they'll bump that up to £300 (oh how I love rip-off Britain).
Play.com tho, £400, hahaha!!!
Well charging £400 is a joke! Im with classic, i reckon the price will be £299 when released over here.
But like CWright pointed out, according to reliables sources the xbox 360 is gonna retail at around $300 in the US.
I work in a game store (well the game department in a megastore) and we recieve weekly newsletters from MCV. As many of guys know they're like an insider paper that keeps everyone in the industry informed about whats happening. They have a report this week where they have J Allard comfirming a 'sub $300' price for xbox 360.
I know this same report is on various gaming websites right now, so it seems it very well could be true.
Im sure pal region countries wont be so lucky though.
P.S any of you guys placed a pre-order for the xbox 360 yet? seems a bit premature IMO, but this week our store has already taken over 30 pre-orders! nutters
Report: ~$300 Xbox 360 by Thanksgiving
J Allard tells TheStreet.com that Microsoft's next-gen console "will be in the neighborhood" of $299; Canadian paper confirms November ship-date target.
The dwindling fog around Microsoft's launch plans for the Xbox 360 dissipated further yesterday when the likely price of the Xbox 360 was revealed. Speaking to the financial news site TheStreet.com, Microsoft corporate vice president and chief XNA architect J Allard was asked if the Xbox 360 would launch with the same $299 price tag as the original. "It's going to be in the neighborhood [of $300]," he said, apparently dispelling fears of a $399 or even $499 machine, although $350--or even $360--could still be possible. However, Allard also stressed that any final decision on the 360's price was "about two months away."
Meanwhile, further north, the Canadian daily The Globe and Mail ran an article profiling Cimtek, a small company specializing in quality assurance testing at a Chinese electronics plants. Burlington, Ontario-based Cimtek recently landed a monster contract to help oversee production of the Xbox 360 in Guangdong Province, in the south of China.
Speaking to the The Globe and Mail, Cimte