View Full Version : How to rob balls properly in WE8LE ?
sitdown30
19 April 05, 14:54
The CPU Players' movements with the balls are sooo unpredictable.
They're also extremely good at weaving their ways thru my CBs.
I'm like 8 out of 10 gonna miss my normal tackles, and 9 out of 10 miss my sliding tackles.
It's horrible.
I can't seem to 'wrap' my body on the CPU players like I used to in WE8.
All of these result in heart thumping moments EVERYTIME (which is aplenty) the CPU players manage to get in my penalty box.
I've tried to play with 3 DMFs and backline of Samuel and Perea! I'm still leaking goals easily.
Can anyone help me?
jambotommy
19 April 05, 15:14
The CPU Players' movements with the balls are sooo unpredictable.
They're also extremely good at weaving their ways thru my CBs.
I'm like 8 out of 10 gonna miss my normal tackles, and 9 out of 10 miss my sliding tackles.
It's horrible.
I can't seem to 'wrap' my body on the CPU players like I used to in WE8.
All of these result in heart thumping moments EVERYTIME (which is aplenty) the CPU players manage to get in my penalty box.
I've tried to play with 3 DMFs and backline of Samuel and Perea! I'm still leaking goals easily.
Can anyone help me?
How many stars are you playing?
ClassicD
19 April 05, 15:21
Same thing was happening to me at the start of my 2nd ML season, you have to get men behind the ball and close out the spaces, leave them nowhere to go. Also, do not chase after them like a headless chicken trying to steal the ball, it just doesn't work - instead chase after them and continually stay goal-side, eventually they will run out of space and with some pressing you'll steal the ball.
socrates213
19 April 05, 15:51
Personally I love this aspect of the game this time around. What I do is I basically try to close potential passing lanes instead of chasing the ball around. It seems that even when you hit your opponents with a sliding tackle they still manage to keep possesion. And their attackers move nicely off the ball. So playing defence in this one is actually fun.
That's my opinion anyways.
Must admit i much prefer it this way, reall gives you a challenge now. Best thing to do is dont go to ground too easily. Wait until the CPU tries to make a sudden movement and then either slide tackle or use the X tackle. How well you steal the ball will depend on the quality of the opposition and the quality of your own defenders.
bepperex
19 April 05, 18:42
So what do you think about We 8 LE's defence? What are the real improvements Konami has made in respect to PES 4?
Another question: How can I make my defenders stay on their feet when someone tries to beat me up with a through ball?
Thanx buds
ronaldo10
20 April 05, 01:27
i don't have we8le but i realy like what i am reeding in this forum
can't wait to see the immprovments on pes5
johansn
20 April 05, 21:05
You have to mark the players around the player with the ball, instead of going at the ball. The computer is clever at finding open man. But when the player cant find an open man sometimes the player doesn't know what to do. I was playing some team in 6* with Newcastle on ML yestarday and a computer's defender was with the ball in his own box trying to get the ball forward. So my strikers, midfielders and wingers just marked every player around him. The poor defender was left with no option (obviously should have kicked it long) so he tried a stupid pass right into the legs of Nasri who finished it with ease.
bepperex
21 April 05, 21:15
How can I make my defenders not to open wide when a through pass has been sent? Is it enough to tap X button or do i have to pull the stick in any direction so I can steal the ball? I've got this question cause' sometimes I pull it backwards from my goal and sometimes forward, but the attackers manage to get past me easier when pulling it backwards. (This happens when playing against humans, especially when playing against my brother). Hope ya' reply somethin' helpful. Thanx for yer cooperation lols.
FORZA MILAN! PROSSIMO CAMPIONE CL '05!!!!!!!!!!
sitdown30
22 April 05, 14:47
Well I think it depends on whether you play with offside trap or not.
If you do use it, than you have to pull the stick forward I think, to activate the trap.
But sometimes it's too late you know, and the opposing strikers are away before you can catch 'em.
Or I think you can mark the strikers heavily with your CB's. So they cannot get away with those difficult-to-intercept thru pass.
I'm still learning to do the offside trap now, haven't yet suceeded.
mikemcenroe
24 April 05, 14:25
use R2 to position your defender as he runs towards you, you can move backwards without turning your body fully if you use this, so R2 then when you get a chance use X to stick a foot out
bepperex
25 April 05, 20:24
Ok, I've tried the R2 technique so far and it doesn't work when playing against my brother who loves to run around the pitch. As soon as he receives the ball, he starts running, then he sends trhough balls and defenders aren't able to reach his strikers or whomever he picks to do his runs. How can I stop him, any ideas? Thanks
Zygalski
25 April 05, 20:44
Try a sweeper?
danGerMouse
26 April 05, 01:22
learn to use the offside trap effectively. once you master it, it'll REALLY hamper the opposition's chances. however, it is a risky tactic, if you get it wrong, you won't be long finding out!
personally, i use the manual tactics otion, so i can employ any of 4 different tactics at the touch of a button in game. but if you use the semi-auto option, then just be sure to leave offside as your L1 option. i also set up my defence with the following settings: Line defence, Back Line C, Zone Press C, Offside Trap A, Counter Attack A. this way, my players don't get dragged out of position (you need to be aware of this in game) and my defence isn't pushed too far up-field, which can be dangerous. then, you just have to get used to the timing, it usually takes a few seconds for your players to push out, and if you use it at the right time, it can help you in all sorts of occasions - if you're not great in the air, it can stop you conceding goals from knock-downs, it can help you in aerial battles from opposition goal kicks, and of course if you're playing against a mate, it can really mess up him up by making him have to question every through ball he plays after being caught offside all game! lol :mrgreen:
also, if you want an edge, then pick a team with good defenders, preferably with tthe "DF Line" ability.
What about holding X and square at the same time while defending?
i think defending is pretty easy once you get the hang of it:
Even against skilled players or the CPU I adopt the following tactics
1) Use R1 to control the defender
2) Try to block off any passing channels as a priority. Always be alert for through-balls... these are easily defended if you use the L1 button to switch defenders and then use R1 to run in the direction of your own goal... 99% of the time, the defender will win the ball
3) As the attacker advances, use X button if he has the ball under close control, OR use the slide tackle if he has pushed it too far ahead
4) Normally, I shepherd the attacker towards the touchline, or towards another of my defenders... in which case holding X and [] button allows me to double team the guy and sandwich the attacker
Hope that helps... now if someone could help me on attacking HA HA
Through balls are easy as hell to spot, problem I have, is when I press L1 to switch player, it usualy goes to a player nowhere near the ball, so I have to press it like 5 times, which gives the CPU a shitload of time to mount an attack.
I think maybe advanced options would be good, aka the ability to tell your back 4 to push up if the CPU attempt a through ball, because most of the time they do a through ball, I have got some plonker playing them on by miles, and he is always on the wing so I cant reach the CPU in time to tackle him.
I dont really defend much, I just hunt them down like dogs, and slide everytime. But if you wanna defend using the R2 technique is the best option, get infront of him and use it, move back while he moves towards you, then just slide and you win the ball 99/100.
I dont really defend much, I just hunt them down like dogs, and slide everytime. But if you wanna defend using the R2 technique is the best option, get infront of him and use it, move back while he moves towards you, then just slide and you win the ball 99/100.
Against skilled players I find that excessive "hunting" and sliding really tires players, so I only go hunting if I am losing and need to chase the game.
thinking of getting a modded ps2 just for this, sold my ps2 a few months ago (didn;t know about this game) been enjoying pes4 on xbox, should i wait until august or try and find a cheap one?
Is it enough just holding both buttons or do I have to pull the stick somewhere, let's say to the left, right, up, down,for instance...
Thanx lols, remember football can be either played attacking or defending
I still can't stop my brother's attack. How can I rob balls properly pressing X button?
Could you please help me out with this?
Thanks again
Could you give me any tips on the correct use of X button while defending? What combinations are better, etc.
Thanx pals
Tap X to tackle when you are close to the attacker.
Ok, thanks, and how could I stop the striker when he begins sprinting and more important, when he is ahead my defender running like a damn cheetah...
filthydani
13 May 05, 18:08
play WE3 road to world cup 98
That game's cool but I like WE8: LE much more. Thanx anyway.
Bailzebub
13 May 05, 20:32
you really have to pick when to make your move when tackling i quite like this aspect though......i was an 'X Button chaser' and i started saying tackling was wrong until i tried a few different things....
yeah definately go to cut off the passes as much as you can, you can almost tell the cpu is going 'DAMN HUMAN I CANNOT PERFORM THE PASS' and so it sometimes hesistates or is forced where it doesnt want to go.
Mix up a bit of X button pressing, and simply getting in with the d pad and harassing to win the ball...sometimes an X button tackle will be skipped around whereas if you werent pressing but just getting in close with the d-pad you would win the ball...the comes with experience, you will see the times where the cpu has the ball under total control and when it hasnt....
try to come in from the inside, a player is more likely to want to cut in and so coming to tackle from the inside gets you closer the to the ball....otherwise they are forced to go past you on the outside and more than likely will try to beat you for pace, which is a good sliding opportunity...
theres no failsafe way, stats, timing, luck all play a part...and there is the odd time you will get the good old invincible AI just leave you standing but i think that keeps things interesting...
another point i forgot to add....
keep your shape as best you can
hope this helps mate :)
Thank ya' very much dear bailzebub, but the major problem I've got is when playin' against my brother, human opponent. Therefore, I'd like to have some hints that could hepl when playing against humans. Thank you very much lol.
Bailzebub
13 May 05, 20:50
yeah good dribblers are very tough opponents, a good dribbler (and non greedy passer) is the Devil lol
as best as you can force him to go where you want go.....the odds are he is looking for you to commit and then skip around you, if you charge in with X and he is expecting this then you are getting skipped....harass him as much as you can solely running close with the d pad.....the odds are if he is like my mates he knows what an X button press is looks like and is waiting to skip around....just using the D pad and nipping in messes this tactic up...even if you dont win the ball you are harassing and are less likely to step in and past him....
once you get the hang of it you will know when you can use the X press against him...
see how you get on gettin close without commiting anyway mate, thats what i did when my mate made a super dribbler who used to carve me up and forced me to rethink my tackling....hope you have some luck against him.
Nothing posted here works aginst my brother!! Dammit, I guess he's quite a magician! Could ya' please give me any other good tip?
Thank you very much
when you defend try not to run just walk with the attacker (use the d-pad only) or even walk then run at times when you feel he's about to sprint until you feel it's time for the X or tackling button and cut it from him. running all the way won't do you any good because you will give him the advantage of surprising you and changing his destination. you just play cool and wait for him to do his next move. also good defensive tactics play a major role in keeping you safe. offside trap is very risky and 5 or more defenders means you have no real chances of scoring, so try to keep it balanced.
I hate te defending in this game! I need help! I always hold :r1: and backwards towards my own goal whilst pressing :square: to try to bring a players towards the opponent on the ball but alot of the time it is my strikers and attacking midfielders running back chasing the opposition from behind when i would prefer my defensive players to push up and press the opponent on the ball! I have tried holding :r2: instead of :r1: but i find thta the player that i control doesn't move quick enough! I am pretty good at defending in PES4 and not bad in this but it annoys me when the opponent plays a floted through ball, my player that i am controlling gets sucked in towards the ball even though i am holding the d-pad in a different direction!
does anyone know how to counter this?
one ridiculous but effective hint (for WE veterans like me that still play with d-pad and never could embrace the gay-ish analog stick).
Try using analog directional stick instead of d-pad when defending. You'll realise that:
- konami favours analog usage, with more responsive players, looking more fast and agressive in challenging oposition (although kabira says he uses d-pad lol)
- therefore it might contribute for you to win more balls in defense.
PS - if you already play with analogue and you still concede a lot... well... no hints for you then :).
Ok, could you give me an ultmate trick on this, cos' I've literally tried every single advice given here and nothing works as desired.
Thanx
BroodjeGras
1 July 05, 20:21
Ok, could you give me an ultmate trick on this, cos' I've literally tried every single advice given here and nothing works as desired.
Thanx
me too. I've been trying for ages to rob balls and I'm still getting nowhere.
just use r2(tap) and after the ball is of his feet hold r2 so the ball stays near to you, make urself free and pass or make a run for it and do fancy stuff with holding l2 and using the arrows ....
my english sux so..............
learn live with it :D
I am not sure if most people know there is a subtile difference in tackling with the :x:, compared with PES 4 :
In PES 4 you can hold the :x: pretty long when tackling before you get a foul.
That's quite sensitive in WE8 LE. You either miss-time the tackle or foul the opponent if you keep :x: pressed too long. The way of making succesfull tackles (in my opnion) is to keep the :x: pressed until you see the defender stepping in to tackle. At that moment you should release :x: immediately. The defender will then complete the tackle without your help.
When tackling this way you also win the ball more often! :)
Ok, could you give me an ultmate trick on this, cos' I've literally tried every single advice given here and nothing works as desired.
Thanx
There is no 'ultimate' trick for this, or pretty much anything for that matter in WE8LE. You just have to use the techniques that people have given here and practice a lot if you're having that much of a problem with beating your brother. Like people have said, the step tackle (X) works well if you time it right. Closing down potential passing lanes generally works a lot better than going straight after the ball as well.
Experiment, see what fits, see what doesn't, and practice.
I'm pretty sure it also depends a lot on individual players.Defenders like Rio Ferdinand and John Terry easily robs the ball off attackers,while Midfielders like Roy Keane and Vieira wins posession easily too.
Thank you very much people. Any of you have a good technique pressing :x: and :square: together? Which is the best way to defend when the attacker goes inside the box and dribbles the ball around to open a space and shoot?
I think defending is very important, so, why don't you write anything?
sitdown30
5 July 05, 16:02
Which is the best way to defend when the attacker goes inside the box and dribbles the ball around to open a space and shoot?
Well, just pray that's he's gonna miss I guess.
That's why an excellent keeper is a must have.
To defend and rob balls inside the box, I press R2 ( this will make my defenders go into blocking stance and automatically sticks his foot out when the oppnonent shoots).
Most of time I press R2 and X together to make it even more effective.
But If my defenders go way too deep near the goal and the opponents are running fast from midfield and into the box, and it's too late to get near them, I just stand in front of the goal and press R2 to block their shots.
Sometimes I can block their shots, othertimes I can't.
For my Master League I don't use OMF or SMF or CMF (they're all useless) at all, I use 4 DMFs.
All have defense higher than 80 and stamina higher than 87.
They're really helpful to press for 90 minutes and stop the opponent's attack from the midfield.
So I press, rob the ball and send it to the strikers right away.
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