Setting the flip flap to other players?

[Coopz]

Does anyone know how to do this?

All i have seen is Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Zlatan do it but i want to give it to players like Zidane, C Ronaldo ect

Any ideas??

[Elite]

yeah im curious also hehe :) But maby just some players dont got the skills to do it ;)

[kevano22]

yeh i also wanna know this, for when i create ME ;)

[Corey Roma]

Remember Gerrard´s 180 degree fast turn.
This move is possible to select in edit mode.
If its possible maybe we can select the flipflap too

[RuneEdge]

Remember Gerrard´s 180 degree fast turn.
This move is possible to select in edit mode.
If its possible maybe we can select the flipflap too
What Gerrard move is this?

[foxtrot]

Try and put players skill and agility stats up. Then see if they can do it.

[RuneEdge]

Try and put players skill and agility stats up. Then see if they can do it.

Just look at Zlatan, Ronnie's and Ronaldo's stats and see what they have in common.

[billsterno1]

It may be a special ability star you have to assign like the both foot feint. Hope so anyway.

[RuneEdge]

It may be a special ability star you have to assign like the both foot feint. Hope so anyway.
Thats what I'm hoping for but it'll probably a special feature that you can't edit like Del Piero's shot and Raul's special turn.

[Tim7]

Is this for WE8LE?

Anyone got a video of the flip flap?

[billsterno1]

Thats what I'm hoping for but it'll probably a special feature that you can't edit like Del Piero's shot and Raul's special turn.

I really hope it isn't as I would like to be able to add the skill to my young master league players, well only maybe 1 or 2. Cos I don't want to have to buy Ronnie or Zlatan just so i can use this great trick we've been waitng ages for. Fingers crossed we can edit it.

[billsterno1]

Is this for WE8LE?

Anyone got a video of the flip flap?

Alrite mate there's some good videos in this link and it also shows the flip-flap: http://www.pideos.co.uk/pages/we8le.htm

[Tim7]

Thanks, billsterno1!!!

Sweet, its looks wicked. Shame I'll have to wait for WE9 on PC :(

[RuneEdge]

Thanks, billsterno1!!!

Sweet, its looks wicked. Shame I'll have to wait for WE9 on PC :(

Lets all hope WE8LE is released on PC soon.

[Tim7]

It's only for PS2 mate.

[PLF]

Yeah I'd also like to know how we can make players with good dribbling stats do this, it could be a special ability but since game is all in Japanese right now we won't know about this unless some Japanese dude comes here or till Fernando and Reefur release that patch.

I hope it's a special ability.

By the way is it just 3 R2's to press?? Cuz I did that with Ali Karimi who's as good at dribbling as anyone in the world but he didn't do it but I'm sure he has dribbling special star and has 93 for accuracy and 88 for dribbling speed as well as high 80s speed and agility.

[sg-40]

What is sure, is that the ability to do te the elastico is not associated witht skill stars. I've tried to select all the stars for zidane but he was'nt able to do this dribble...

[billsterno1]

What is sure, is that the ability to do te the elastico is not associated witht skill stars. I've tried to select all the stats for zidane but he was'nt able to do this dribble...

That's a bummer then, maybe it's to do with the stat's then like the rabona shot. It would be a crime if you can't assign the skill to players.

[RuneEdge]

It must be a special move that you can't edit then. I wouldn't have a problem with this if all the right players had the move it looks like thats not the case.

[KAiWAi]

In WE8/PES4, all the player who have 90 or more in "Dribble Acc." can do this :
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires1.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires2.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/Video/GrandPont1.AVI

I think it's the same for the Elastico skill...

[RuneEdge]

How the hell do you do that?

[Lukazan]

I'd like to know too!!

I remember some guys were talking about it ages ago but the instructions were well confusing!

[RGEE1979]

On the original question...my guess would be to create a new player using a player who can do the "elastico" as a base model, and then alter the stats and apperance accordingly. Not sure it'll work, but its worth a go.

[horner2693]

nice idea rgee

[sg-40]

who want to create this kind of player ? lol

[PLF]

In WE8/PES4, all the player who have 90 or more in "Dribble Acc." can do this :
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires1.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires2.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/Video/GrandPont1.AVI

I think it's the same for the Elastico skill...

Wow dude that move is amazing. I know you could do this in PES4 and WE8 because someone had done it with Henry knocking it past a defender and getting the ball from other side similar to this one and had made a video of it but nobody knew WHO had made the video and HOW to do it.

I remember we had numerous threads on it called "Push and Go ahead trick" or something like that with 55 replies or so and nobody could do it.

So can you tell us how to do this??

and no this isn't in any way similar to Elastico to answer your quesiton.

[gflare]

looks like chained drop shoulders to me, not very hard to do, but in this case it's better because the player messes up and runs around the defender to retrieve the lost ball. You can also mess up the elastico and the ball will pop out to the players right side as the player fails to bring it back inside the defender. You can also run around the other side of the defender to get that one when it messes up as well.

I've seen a different video where this double-drop shoulder worked correctly and the player kept control.

[RuneEdge]

looks like chained drop shoulders to me, not very hard to do, but in this case it's better because the player messes up and runs around the defender to retrieve the lost ball. You can also mess up the elastico and the ball will pop out to the players right side as the player fails to bring it back inside the defender. You can also run around the other side of the defender to get that one when it messes up as well.

I've seen a different video where this double-drop shoulder worked correctly and the player kept control.

I know what you're talking about when you say double drop shoulder, I've done that many times before. But this looks more like a triple drop shoulder.

[Milanista]

This one looks like an actual move, not one where its a 'mistake'

[KAiWAi]

I know how to do this move, yes !!
But it's hard for me to explain in english !!

First, take a player with 90 or more in Dribble Acc. (Aimar, Pires, Kaka, Reccoba,...).
For the first time, try with Pires or D'Alesandro who dosn't have the "2 feet feint" skill star (understand ?).
You have to do the "body feint" 2 time very very quickly !!!
The timing is very hard and sometime, your player do a "Invert bodyfeint", sometime (if you're lucky), he do the move like in the vidéo !!!
It's simply the most beautifull move of WE8/PES4... and the most difficult to do !!!

Do this : > ^ > ^ very quickly.

Sorry if it's not clear but it's the ONLY way to do the move. I do it in a online game with PES4 Xbox... marvellous !!!

[billsterno1]

Just been messing about with the stat's their doesn't seem to be anyway of giving a player the flip-flap skill. Which is a bit crap. The only thing I haven't tried is creating a player using a base copy. Also I've only found Rivelino, of classic Brazil, as another player who can do it.

[shoukov]

Stop calling this move a flipflop or something like that
this move calls an AKKA

[SXFuzz]

Stop calling this move a flipflop or something like that
this move calls an AKKA

yes, you're right, the name for it is more important than the move itself

[KAiWAi]

I know how to do this move, yes !!
But it's hard for me to explain in english !!

First, take a player with 90 or more in Dribble Acc. (Aimar, Pires, Kaka, Reccoba,...).
For the first time, try with Pires or D'Alesandro who dosn't have the "2 feet feint" skill star (understand ?).
You have to do the "body feint" 2 time very very quickly !!!
The timing is very hard and sometime, your player do a "Invert bodyfeint", sometime (if you're lucky), he do the move like in the vidéo !!!
It's simply the most beautifull move of WE8/PES4... and the most difficult to do !!!

Do this : > ^ > ^ very quickly.

Sorry if it's not clear but it's the ONLY way to do the move. I do it in a online game with PES4 Xbox... marvellous !!!

^_^

[Jony]

I know how to do this move, yes !!
But it's hard for me to explain in english !!

First, take a player with 90 or more in Dribble Acc. (Aimar, Pires, Kaka, Reccoba,...).
For the first time, try with Pires or D'Alesandro who dosn't have the "2 feet feint" skill star (understand ?).
You have to do the "body feint" 2 time very very quickly !!!
The timing is very hard and sometime, your player do a "Invert bodyfeint", sometime (if you're lucky), he do the move like in the vidéo !!!
It's simply the most beautifull move of WE8/PES4... and the most difficult to do !!!

Do this : > ^ > ^ very quickly.

Sorry if it's not clear but it's the ONLY way to do the move. I do it in a online game with PES4 Xbox... marvellous !!!

^_^



I DONE IT!!!!

It´s just like KAiWAi said, it took me about ten minutes but finally I got it. A lot of thanks man, it´s wonderful.

[Doping]

Can you re-up those vids?

[PLF]

um.. KaiWai.. thanks for explanation i guess bro even though I still don't get it.

Cause that body feint which we have to do twice, I can't even do that. I do it sometimes by ACCIDENT during my game but don't know what directional buttons i have to do to do it ANY time i want but either way thats a REALLY sick move even better than FLip flap lol... looks amazing!

[Doping]

Man I wanna see what you're talking about :<


EDIT: Is this it?

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ZQVKQLNA6T9I1ELRAPFGG6UPX

[KAiWAi]

Blind ?

http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires1.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/elpibedeoro/Pires2.AVI
http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/Video/GrandPont1.AVI

[Doping]

I'm not gonna take that as an offense, I surely hope that's not it because the links ain't working for me. Can you host it on rapidshare.de if possible?

[gflare]

I've tested it again and it's definately just two drop shoulder's chained together, and in this case the player messes it up and runs around the player to get the ball.

I've done it multiple times, just like the elastico messes up every once in awhile.

[Corey Roma]

What Gerrard move is this?
Yes, Cristiano Ronaldo has this move too.
It works whenn you walk slowly in one direction and push the opposite direction. sometimes by pushing :r2: but never :r1: .

[KAiWAi]

I've tested it again and it's definately just two drop shoulder's chained together, and in this case the player messes it up and runs around the player to get the ball.
Do you test-it in WE8LE ???
I can't do it in this new version !?

[Doping]

^ Can you host the files somewhere else please? I don't know why but I can't see the ones on the server you posted :s

[Jony]

Do you test-it in WE8LE ???
I can't do it in this new version !?

I´ve done it in WE8LWE and it works.

[RuneEdge]

Yes, Cristiano Ronaldo has this move too.
It works whenn you walk slowly in one direction and push the opposite direction. sometimes by pushing :r2: but never :r1: .
Is that the one that Raul can do too?

[Corey Roma]

Yes, the same but i dont saw this move with Raul since WE6 final evolution.
I remeber how can get this special move (fast turn) with other players... With a copy base from player with this move.
Maybe its the only way to create a new player with special moves.


Following the post , i think the flip-flap is not a selecting move in edit mode.
Last night i tested one by one all de stars.
Today ill test with Ronaldinho get downing his stats to see if its possible to make the flipflap with lower stats

[PLF]

Man if only a few individuals were PROGRAmmed to be able to do this and it doesn't depend on stats then it's stupid as Karimi should be ablt to do this but probably can't because they forgot about him. His stats are veyr high in the game too but I wasn't able to do it with him.

[gflare]

it's looking more and more like the elastico is just programmed into those players :(

we'll figure it out shortly, hopefully that's not the case.

[Doping]

EDIT: Never mind

[Doping]

It looks like he does the move I posted above but he misses the ball on the second touch

[PLF]

I've tested it again and it's definately just two drop shoulder's chained together, and in this case the player messes it up and runs around the player to get the ball.

I've done it multiple times, just like the elastico messes up every once in awhile.

what do you mean MESSED it up?? its the move.. you put it on one side of defender and run past other side and get it.

[gflare]

what do you mean MESSED it up?? its the move.. you put it on one side of defender and run past other side and get it.


Get Ronaldinho, and do the elastico over and over and over again. If you do the double drop-shoulder over and over and over again, you'll notice every once in a while the player will mess up the move, causing the ball to go in the other direction that they are faking away from.

Yes, the players do mess up in WE8:LE. This case is a coincidence that the player reacted quick enough to turbo around the defender and get it. I've done this before,
when you run left to right , press down / right / down. or up / right / up for a double drop shoulder the other direction.

[KAiWAi]

Yes, the players do mess up in WE8:LE. This case is a coincidence that the player reacted quick enough to turbo around the defender and get it. I've done this before,
when you run left to right , press down / right / down. or up / right / up for a double drop shoulder the other direction.
It's really NOT a question of messed it up the double drop shoulder... it's only a question of timing, not a coincidence, trust me !!!
Try this new move : make a drop shoulder than push the invert direction (run behind): > ^ > then <
Your player make a drop shoulder then he run in the opposite direction without the ball !!!
LoL, a big body feint !! (you have to do it with a player with more then 90 in Dribbe.Acc)

Don't forget to tell that only the players with more than 90 in Dribble.Acc. can do it ... and the players who have a star in "2feet.feint skill" can do it with only one foot, only one side !! In WE8le, there is 3 argentinians who can do it (I play with this team) : Aimar, D'Allesandro and Saviola !! Others : Pires, Zidane, Kaka, Reccoba,...

For the Elastico, I think it's a programmed move we can't choose for players we want, unfortunately !!!

[secsi]

Well as i was playing my master league, i notice that number 8 in default master league team, Ximelez, also is able do to the elastico move! His stats are low, the only thing is 86 at dribble acc. Ah, and he messes the move alot!

[ronaldoisagod]

Re-up the vids...they don't work

[KAiWAi]

The videos don't work because my website is down since 2 days ... but retry tomorrow or in few days !!

Ximelez can do the Elastico ??? HAHAHA, a joke of Seabass !!

[Kenny M]

so only 4 players can do the elastico then?

[gflare]

so only 4 players can do the elastico then?


That's all that's been discovered so far, and it seems like the move it programmed, and not able to be assigned to new players.

[gflare]

It's really NOT a question of messed it up the double drop shoulder... it's only a question of timing, not a coincidence, trust me !!!
Try this new move : make a drop shoulder than push the invert direction (run behind): > ^ > then <
Your player make a drop shoulder then he run in the opposite direction without the ball !!!
LoL, a big body feint !! (you have to do it with a player with more then 90 in Dribbe.Acc)


Hey KAiWAi,
Can you explain the exact timing of the inputs, because it seems when the move succeeds, the player always takes the ball with him. I've used all your players from Argentina, as well as Ronaldinho and the end result is the player doing a drop-shoulder, and cutting in whichever direction you press afterwards (like like the chained drop shoulders.

I'd really like to believe a "push and free run" was in the game, but more often then not, the player keeps the ball.

thanks,

[valentino]

i agree with gflare. think it's a very settled and very useful mess up. official movements have perfect animation and simpler control (eg. elastico and roulete).

[Doping]

The one I posted with Ronaldinho is official, it comes out pretty cool

[Desmodu]

can someone explain me how i can do a "body feint"?????

[RuneEdge]

Man if only a few individuals were PROGRAmmed to be able to do this and it doesn't depend on stats then it's stupid as Karimi should be ablt to do this but probably can't because they forgot about him. His stats are veyr high in the game too but I wasn't able to do it with him.
Could you post Karimi's stats here please?

[Louike]

stats don't change nothing on player moves,like del piero,raul feint,figo penalty...I just had this special move to cristiano,like someone say in the classic player Rivelino have this special move,so replace this player by another one in free player like RAI,very good brazilian player can be in this team.Before that go to manchester u team,with weeditor right clic on cristiano name and export player,clic on manchester team,squad choose cristiano and add player,take Rivelino ID player,ok.Return on rivelino name right clic import player and choose cristiano export file,ok all stats and apperance will be ok,and cristiano have now the flip flap !!!!
My method......

[chelseawoman]

stats don't change nothing on player moves,like del piero,raul feint,figo penalty...I just had this special move to cristiano,like someone say in the classic player Rivelino have this special move,so replace this player by another one in free player like RAI,very good brazilian player can be in this team.Before that go to manchester u team,with weeditor right clic on cristiano name and export player,clic on manchester team,squad choose cristiano and add player,take Rivelino ID player,ok.Return on rivelino name right clic import player and choose cristiano export file,ok all stats and apperance will be ok,and cristiano have now the flip flap !!!!
My method......

Sorry I don't speak chinese.

[Louike]

Maybe it's time to sleep....

[gflare]

stats don't change nothing on player moves,like del piero,raul feint,figo penalty...I just had this special move to cristiano,like someone say in the classic player Rivelino have this special move,so replace this player by another one in free player like RAI,very good brazilian player can be in this team.Before that go to manchester u team,with weeditor right clic on cristiano name and export player,clic on manchester team,squad choose cristiano and add player,take Rivelino ID player,ok.Return on rivelino name right clic import player and choose cristiano export file,ok all stats and apperance will be ok,and cristiano have now the flip flap !!!!
My method......


Exactly, shame there isn't any other way to deal with programmed special moves.

[BTSVrulez]

Hi...
I'm new here and I think my English isn't pretty good (germany),but I hope you will be able to understand me.....
I have got 3 questions...
1.Which game are you talking about...pes 4, we 8 , we8 le
2.Is it possible to do this move in pes 4
3.If yes, would you be so nice and try to explain this to me another time, because I didn't get in the first explaination

[billsterno1]

Hi...
I'm new here and I think my English isn't pretty good (germany),but I hope you will be able to understand me.....
I have got 3 questions...
1.Which game are you talking about...pes 4, we 8 , we8 le
2.Is it possible to do this move in pes 4
3.If yes, would you be so nice and try to explain this to me another time, because I didn't get in the first explaination

Welcome mate

1. WE8LE
2. No
3.You can only do this move in WE8LE.

[BTSVrulez]

Thanks for your quick answer....
Is We8 Le just for ps2.....or is there a pc version too...
If yes, is there a demo of it for pc

[billsterno1]

Thanks for your quick answer....
Is We8 Le just for ps2.....or is there a pc version too...
If yes, is there a demo of it for pc

No it's only for PS2

[Genkitzu]

You can see how to do a body feint at the command list(Press Start) when your playing.

[pinho2005]

You can see how to do a body feint at the command list(Press Start) when your playing.

show the command to do the bodyfaint

[roofio86]

So whow did they assign CRonaldo with the flip flap in the ole mix?

[SXFuzz]

So whow did they assign CRonaldo with the flip flap in the ole mix?

the answer is given on this exact page.

[ronaldoisagod]

As amazing as Karimi is in real life...i've never seen him do a flip-flap move...nor does he perform those south american dribbles. He is the master of the 1-2 touch arouhd defenders, in tight spots, and near impossible angles. But you don't see him performing super spins (he's spun before, but not often), 5 consecutive step-overs, and then the flip-flap. It's just not his style.

BTW, in the Gangsta patch, his dribble accuracy is 93, and his dribble speed is 88. I changed it to 96accuracy and 92speed, respectively.

[PLF]

well ganster patch doesn't change data so his stats are 93 and 88 for dribbling accuracy and speed in original game as well which is quite good and shows Konami aren't totally blind even if they think he's brown lol.

I haven't changed his stats to be honest by the way.. I think he's one person they've done good research on and I agree with almost all of the stats given to him by Konami.

[pozmu]

Hi, I see that you are talking about push & go move, very nice, but very hard to do, at least in PES4, maybe choosing the right player is the key (fast dribble acceleration + no bbfake), but, at least in PES4, it's possible to do this move in both directions with players that have two feet feint. How? You can do body feint with them in either direction... How? I have no idea, something about timing...

[fantomas23]

you can't perform flip flap from a standing position which is absolute shite!

[Adinho]

you can't perform flip flap from a standing position which is absolute shite!

umm.. yes you can..

[kms_53]

Flip Flap (http://www.winning-eleven.com/flip_flap.avi)

This one is done from a standing position..

[fantomas23]

umm.. yes you can..

i gave it another go and it does work..dont know how i screwed it up first time round

[doobie allstars]

I have been trying to do that move that KAiWAi done with Pires, and i am a bit unsure. i have only done it once in about 30 tries. but is it just a fancy mistake, i am not too sure. i first started to believe it is, but when i look at the thritd video that KAiWAi posted, when he is in the trainning environment, i see that he does the push move twice in succession. so did he do the mistake twice.....mmmmmmmmmmm....i am not too sure. i believe the move we all can do it the faint twice, but there must be an extra advancement on the buttons that wil make the player push the ball. what that extra move is, i am not too sure, i will test it again, but like i said it only happens once. i have totally perfected how to do the 1-2 touch and the body feint, but this push and go move is a mystery.

[desiasx]

How many players have you guys seen, OTHER than Zlatan, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho do the flipflap in real life? I havent seen any, yeah maybe at practise ppl try or something. I can do the flipflap perfectly when im standing. But ive NEVER done it in a match just cause im not good enough, but my skills are really good.

Same way the fact that the flipflap is such an advanced move in real life, I give Konami a tap on the back for only making it for those players that can actually do it. We dont wanto go all crazy with flipflaps with every player either cause it will just ruin the simulation and realism of the game.

To PLF: Karimi is a hell of a good player, and I bet he is capable of doing the flipflap in real life, but if hes not a player "known" for the flipflap, he shouldnt have the flipflap attribute. I remember ppl reffering to the flipflap as the "Ronaldinho move" cause ppl have seen him do it soo much.

Any comments to my comment?

[Zygalski]

How many players have you guys seen, OTHER than Zlatan, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho do the flipflap in real life?


http://img256.echo.cx/img256/9914/davids9hn.gif

;)

Not that he did it that great but anyways.. :)

[PLF]

yup in my lifetime, I've only seen Zlatan, Ronaldinho do it. I haven't actually seen Ronaldo do it but I hear people have so I believe them. :)

and Yes, Desiasx, I have not seen Karimi ever do it so he shouldn't have it.

[Zygalski]

Everyone in the game should be able to do it, but only those who really can do it should be able to complete the move successfully :)
Like when Gary Neville tries the Zidane roulette and leaves the ball behind :D

[millikun]

KANOUTE CAN DO IT !

[billsterno1]

KANOUTE CAN DO IT !

In your dreams mate, whats the point in making up something like that? :roll:

[Abuda9]

I know how to do this move, yes !!
But it's hard for me to explain in english !!

First, take a player with 90 or more in Dribble Acc. (Aimar, Pires, Kaka, Reccoba,...).
For the first time, try with Pires or D'Alesandro who dosn't have the "2 feet feint" skill star (understand ?).
You have to do the "body feint" 2 time very very quickly !!!
The timing is very hard and sometime, your player do a "Invert bodyfeint", sometime (if you're lucky), he do the move like in the vidéo !!!
It's simply the most beautifull move of WE8/PES4... and the most difficult to do !!!

Do this : > ^ > ^ very quickly.

Sorry if it's not clear but it's the ONLY way to do the move. I do it in a online game with PES4 Xbox... marvellous !!!

^_^

Thanks man i tried it with pires first but with Thierry Henry it worked :D but i think it's just a messed up double body feint cause you see that he passes the ball with the wrong foot if you know what i mean.. but thanks anyway for discovering this great move :D

[bryan]

What is > ^ > ^?

[SXFuzz]

In your dreams mate, whats the point in making up something like that? :roll:

I'm a Spurs fan and I've witnessed him do it on more than one occasion, the first time was against Everton, this season.

[PrincessPonytail]

I've seen diouf do it the hairy animal that he is

[wutang_04]

I see this thread has turned into the wtf is the double body faint and why dont we all have a big winge about why konami didnt let Wes Brown do the Elastico?

[bryan]

Actually with Ronaldino ... i simply tab the L1 repeated and he did that flip flap move.

But not with other players.

[Brosgwy]

the only players that are able to do the elastico are Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Classic Brazil Rivellino, however, if you want to make another player to be able to perform the elastico instead of one of those above, simply copy the both players sheet in somewhere(paper, computer document etc...)the entire sheet, face, body and all that stuff and the change the sheets by overwriting them.

EX: C.Ronaldo is the player that i want to be able to perform the elastico, so i copy his ENTIRE sheet, and, for instance, Rivellino's sheet, so i change the Rivellino stats and body to be equal to C.Ronaldo, and vice-versa, but rivellino would lose his elastico skill, since he is a not commonly used player i think that's a great stuff

[roketamayu]

i think ximelez, the master league hero :lol: can do it too. i'm not sure, but someone post that in dekazeta. so there's another player where you can set the elastica (okocha? diego? davids? :lmao: )

sorry for bad english

[inter_211]

ya ximenez can do it.